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orangemiss
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Hunting in Japan
#21727428 - 05/27/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really new to hunting for actives. I live in Tokyo, but I'm looking to search around the Kanto area.
Can anyone suggest a genus or species to look out for. I want to find something that can easily be identified without a single doubt. I'm scared of getting poisoned.
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Anglerfish
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orangemiss said: Really new to hunting for actives. I live in Tokyo, but I'm looking to search around the Kanto area. Can anyone suggest a genus or species to look out for. I want to find something that can easily be identified without a single doubt. I'm scared of getting poisoned.
There are few hunters from Japan on this forum, as far as I know at least. Several of the hallucinogenic species occurring there do not seem too common, however this impression might be due to lack of communication. Seeing that mushroomobserver.org now has been translated into Japanese as well, there seems to be a great potential for discovery!
Advice for budding hunters are always the same though - read up on the species you decide to look for, check out the obvious (and maybe poisonous) look alikes, learn the differences. Take loads of good in situ pictures of your finds, post them on here (and on mushroomobserver) for help with identification. Don't eat anything you aren't 100% sure of what is.
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Which psilocybin mushrooms grow wild in my area? said: Japan Gymnopilus aeruginosus Gymnopilus junonius Panaeolus cinctulus Panaeolus cyanescens Psilocybe septentrionalis var. septentrionalis Psilocybe subaeruginascens Psilocybe subcaerulipes Psilocybe venenata
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Walts
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Good info Angler, glad somebody approached this situation that way and didn't just link the rules
Definitely come back and show us that you find man nobody here is going to let you eat poisonous mushrooms.
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orangemiss
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Wow! thanks for linking these great resources! I'll be sure to post pictures of my findings.
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orangemiss
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Re: Hunting in Japan [Re: Walts]
#21727697 - 05/27/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry if I violated the rules somehow by mentioning something I shouldn't have, or posting the wrong area. I should review the rules, I haven't been on shroomery in like 5 years.
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Anglerfish
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orangemiss said: Sorry if I violated the rules somehow by mentioning something I shouldn't have
You didn't break any rules. Mentioning an area as large as Kanto is roughly like saying "Bay area" in relation to San Francisco and Oakland. Just stay clear of mentioning specific locations or giving too obvious directions to them.
Looking forward to see what you can find!
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Walts
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Anglerfish said:
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orangemiss said: Sorry if I violated the rules somehow by mentioning something I shouldn't have
You didn't break any rules. Mentioning an area as large as Kanto is roughly like saying "Bay area" in relation to San Francisco and Oakland. Just stay clear of mentioning specific locations or giving too obvious directions to them.
Looking forward to see what you can find!
I was refering to 3. Do not ask what mushrooms can be found growing in your state or immediate area.
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orangemiss
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Re: Hunting in Japan [Re: Walts]
#21729702 - 05/27/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Again, my apologies.
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SatanicShroomer
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I'm looking forward to seeing your finds! Best wishes and happy hunting.
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orangemiss
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So I set out on my first hunt today, I live in the city so I thought I'd check out some nature reserves in the area that look something like this
I couldn't find anything though, I probably walked around the place for about an hour and a half. I'm really new to this, but I reckon it might have to do with the following:
1. Lack of biodiversity since they're small parks. 2. It hasn't rained recently (it should soon though). 3. Its too hot and/or I missed the season.
This weekend I plan to go out of the city all together and search the foresty mountains.
Any feedback or advice is appreciated!
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Anglerfish
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I couldn't find anything though, I probably walked around the place for about an hour and a half.
You are more likely to find something if you've checked what sort of mushrooms you're going to look for prior to going out. If only a few certain species are likely to fruit due to the time of year, conditions etc., you need to aquaint yourself with their preferred specific habitat.
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1. Lack of biodiversity since they're small parks.
This doesn't necessarily apply. Depending on what you're looking for, certain specially cultivated areas like parks or botanical gardens can provide excellent habitats for certain species that would have a harder time settling in more varied or "natural" landscapes.
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This weekend I plan to go out of the city all together and search the foresty mountains.
If possible, check out the flora of your destination prior to going, and look up which species of mushrooms are likely to grow in said habitat(s) and conditions. You're bound to find something, at least of mycological interest. Bring camera, notepad, tacklebox (for storage) and a pocket knife.
Good luck hunting!
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ambc
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Don't sweat the rules thing too much, that rule is mainly to keep people from posting the threads of the same question multiple times, especially when the information requested is easily available through search results. So you may have disobeyed the letter of the rule, but whether you violated the spirit of said rule is a tougher question, since the info you requested doesn't seem to be very easy to come across.
In addition to the list above I know that Agrocybe farinacea is on some lists of actives that occur in Japan. I thought it was on the list site though, so maybe it has recently been shown to not be active?
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Re: Hunting in Japan [Re: ambc]
#21731282 - 05/28/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ambc said: In addition to the list above I know that Agrocybe farinacea is on some lists of actives that occur in Japan. I thought it was on the list site though, so maybe it has recently been shown to not be active?
Can't find any serious indicators pointing towards any psychoactive Agrocybe species. I guess there would be a little more fuss about A. farinacea if it actually contained tryptamines.
Maybe Alan could elaborate on this?
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orangemiss
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Thanks for all the tips! I'll be sure to do all of what you mentioned.
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orangemiss
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Re: Hunting in Japan [Re: ambc]
#21731324 - 05/28/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ambc said: Don't sweat the rules thing too much, that rule is mainly to keep people from posting the threads of the same question multiple times, especially when the information requested is easily available through search results. So you may have disobeyed the letter of the rule, but whether you violated the spirit of said rule is a tougher question, since the info you requested doesn't seem to be very easy to come across.
I see. I'll try to be careful to read past threads about the Tokyo area before asking about it.
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orangemiss
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Went on my second hunt today. It was great. Just getting out of my apartment/the city and exploring the forest felt great. I'm pretty sure nothing I found was active although I'm a total noobie at IDing mushrooms.

1. Here's my first find, I regret not trying to get a better shot or taking this one home as it looks like a psilocybe maybe idk.

2. I kept this one. sorry its a little out of focus, I can take a better picture upon request.

3. Kept this one too. was really hard and dense.

4. kept this guy.

5. left these ones although I thought they looked interesting.


6. Lastly I got a little lost and accidently tresspassed into someone's land as I was trying to go from one park to the next and came across a shitake mushroom farm. I took a small one 
I'm little disapointed overall. I was hoping to find something active and I don't think I did, but maybe I spoke too soon.
Thanks for all your support, any IDs, advice, questions, or requests are appreciated.
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Anglerfish
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#1 is a Mycena sp.
#2 pictures of the gills and a description is needed.
#3 looks like a Neolentinus sp.
#4 might be a Protostropharia sp., not sure, could you take close up shots of cap surface, gills and stem?
#5 looks like a Polyporus sp. but more and better shots (underside of cap, stem) are needed.
#6 probably a polypore, but pictures are insufficient for determination.
Remember that good close up shots of all visible features of a mushroom, along with a description of texture, odor and sometimes taste, are usually needed to make a somewhat reliable identification.
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orangemiss
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all of them are pretty much odorless #1 is pretty fragile and #2 and #3 are very dense and were almost hard to cut.
Here are better photos of all the keepers:


 #1

 #2

 #3
Thank you for your insight.
Edited by orangemiss (05/30/15 07:37 PM)
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orangemiss
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All went in the garbage. I'm going to search again next weekend and try to list the species better. Stay tuned!
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I haven't really found anything in those bamboo forests. They are cool to walk thru though.
Go check out the largest bookstore in your area. They are sure to have mushroom guides. I use to take pics of what I found and try to identify them when I had a chance to go to the bookstore.
Sometimes it is hard because the pictures don't look like reality.
Once I find one mushroom, I stop and slowly look around. Mushrooms can be well hidden/camouflaged sometimes.
This website should help with your finds http://toolate.s7.coreserver.jp/kinoko/index.htm
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orangemiss
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Re: Hunting in Japan [Re: AEL1911]
#21760201 - 06/04/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for tips! I'll see if there are any good books on my way home from work tomorrow.
I haven't found much near the bamboo either. I want to go to a forest of mostly cryptomeria (杉). I've read that's where gymns pop up a lot.
I'll be heading out again Saturday morning so I'll keep you all posted.
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orangemiss
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So just as I mentioned before I went farther away from the city than the last hunt, this time into the mountains outside the city rather than a park. I covered about 5 Kilometers up and down some really steep slopes, valleys, and creeks and found almost nothing. Certainly nothing that appeared to be active or spawned more than a 2 or 3 tiny fruits anyway. This time the forests were mostly made up of Cryptomeria Japonica (杉) which was according to plan, as I have read that Gyms tend to grow on them.
There were also many other types of trees though and even came across wood chip piles along the way.
Everything was very damp and humid, but I was saddened to find nothing of interest at all.
Tomorrow I plan to stop by the library and do a bit of research on mushrooms in the area.
I won't be able to hunt until the end of the month unfortunately.
If anyone has any knowledge of hunting around Tokyo, Kanagawa, Saitama, Ibaraki, or Gunma prefectures I'd be glad to here your input.
Thanks everyone.
Edited by orangemiss (06/07/15 10:00 AM)
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AEL1911
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Your first pic is a bunch of hinoki, not sugi as your kanji reads. It's really hard to tell those 2 trees apart except for the bark, size and how the needles are on branches. I've usually seen sugi near temples.
Usually those forests are so covered in fallen needles/branches that I've given up looking for mushrooms. I have found gyms one time in a hinoki forest. Sept 2013
 I swear it looks like it's growing on hinoki.
Don't give up though because I've seen mushrooms in places I didn't expect.
That statue is strange, it doesn't look Japanese.
P.S You should check out Aokigahara near Mt. Fuji. I believe that forest to be unmanaged with a lot of old growth and a few dead bodies here and there
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phangtonpower
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Hey guys. New here. I've been in Japan now for 7 years.
Just wondering if you have any updates or any luck with your hunts?
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AEL1911
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Honestly I haven't purposely been hunting for a while. I'll keep an eye out when walking outside of town. I should go for a hunt though, it's nice to get out.
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