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First time grower looking for some help - thanks
    #21726543 - 05/26/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hello,

First time grower here,

wanted to show you guys a few pics - hopefully at least some of these jars are going well. I feel that at least one of these is def contaminated... though not sure

I used the stove method. I wanted to know, can mycelium overcome initial contaminations? i know the general rule is to get ride of them right away, but is it possible? Will peroxide do anything in this regard?

Thanks in advance for any insight











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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726615 - 05/26/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Third pic for sure garbage. The others look ok but wait for multiples opinions. As for mycelium over coming or growing over contam I have heard of it but I've never experienced it. And never with of tek jars.


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: DensePlacebo]
    #21726666 - 05/26/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks,

the second and third pic are the same jar - the one I am almost certain is bad... the others Im hopeful.


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726738 - 05/26/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you have a dry verm layer the tin foil will not allow moisture to escape thus rendering it useless i cant tell if those are brf cakes or grain but if its brf and has a dry verm layer take the foil off and leave it off


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Zuto18]
    #21726751 - 05/26/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Also all your jars look good to me 3rd pic has some nice rhizo (really aggresive strand like mycelium)


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Zuto18]
    #21726805 - 05/26/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

3rd and 5th are contaminated. Third is green (I'm guessing trich, hard to see) and 5th is black mold on bottom left


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Mad Season]
    #21726816 - 05/26/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

5th is garbage, i dont see the green in the third but if you do... throw it ...

i'd buy a pc with a guage or a regulator.

you'll be glad you did.

even a small one and you'll have more fun.

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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Mad Season]
    #21726824 - 05/26/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah i didnt catch that nice eye mad season and rxb but still op you really should take the foil off if your still worried about contams use micropore or paper tape as the generic brands are called


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Zuto18]
    #21726862 - 05/26/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the jars are from midwest grow kits... the ultimate kit

they have

• Natural Organic Brown Rice Flour
• Vermiculite
• Mineral Water
• Liquid worm castings
• Bee Pollen

The instructs say to open the jars every few days for air flow... should i take the foil off?

If a jar becomes contaminated and the foil is off will that matter?

They are in a closed bin

pc with a gauge or regulation - pressure cooker - how would I use that in this instance?

Thx


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726866 - 05/26/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well if you had one... you would have made your own jars, they would have been sterile...and they wouldnt have gone to shit :smile:

so in this exact CASE, it doesnt help, but if you had a pc then you would have used an(easier)other method :smile:


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726885 - 05/26/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well if i had premade jars,

could i have still used a pc?

Ill have to look into the pc some more, haven't learned about that at all.

Say I didn't notice a contamination and tried to get a flush with other good cakes,

could that cause a problem...how likely ?


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726894 - 05/26/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The dry verm layer if there is one will keep contams at bay the foil will make the dry verm layer not so dry and this becomes a breeding ground for baddie. Either way the foil is not good go buy some micropore tape or trash your contaminated jars go buy some verm and brf like $15 max and make your own jars following the pf tek too a T.


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726896 - 05/26/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yes, if you buy premade jars from out-grow... you'll get a VERY nice jar which has an injection port...

and if you contaminate the jar its just because you didnt flame the syringe.

http://out-grow.com/bulk-discounts-c-11/12-quart-jars-of-sterilized-rye-berries-mushroom-spawn-p-63.html

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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Zuto18]
    #21726909 - 05/26/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Also if your doing brf you can sterilize in a pot with about an inch of boiling water just dont let the glass touch the bottom of the pan put a washcloth at the bottom or jar lid rings or somthing i actually use a vegtable steamer and the only jar ive got contamned was one i reinnoculated two weeks down the road this only works for brf/drf cakes though


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    #21726922 - 05/26/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726929 - 05/26/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726936 - 05/26/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I did flame the syringe.. could it be the over method I used rather than the glove box?

I had trouble getting the right amount into each jar, I overshot a few quite a bit,,, I read that the sides may colonize too fast leaving the center open for contamination...

I don't understand the micropore tape part - how is covering it with that tape better than foil? or do you mean on just the one I think may be contaminated, wouldn't that be risky?


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726942 - 05/26/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

putting foil on the jar doesnt SEAL It.

micropore tape does and lets it breathe at the same time.


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    #21726948 - 05/26/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if you go to that site i posted and you watch those vids (its free if you watch the small vs)...

you will be an expert in a few hours.

invest in your education.

and if you can... BUY THEM... because 1) he is teaching you valuable profitable info.

and 2) he is the greatest guy!... and you should support him.


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[quote]Enlil said:
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Edited by rxb (05/26/15 10:56 PM)


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726959 - 05/26/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the link,

i wasn't aware of those videos.I will watch them.  I did buy the book "Psilocybin - Mushroom Handbook" and read and reread both grow guides from mid west grow kits. So I didn't go into the process completely cold ... I was nervous about the oven method, what do you guess think of the oven method?


I think my biggest mistake was putting to much spores into each jar. I think I have about 5-6 jars out of the 12 jars I started with that are looking good... hopefully...

Does contamination show itself at anytime or would it make itself apparent by two weeks?


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21726964 - 05/26/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

we collectively think the oven method is luck based.


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726968 - 05/26/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

first of all. and this is huge.

your kitchen... my kitchen... every kitchen everywhere... is FULLLLLLL of contams

and second of all.

if you took a vote... people wouldnt even trust the bunson burner tek... and that WAAAAAAY more proven than the oven tek.. theres less to go wrong... people did it in labs for YEARS.... and yet...

its easy enough to fuck up.


the oven... is even less likely to work. most people who see it work say "you got lucky" not "great sterile tek"


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726973 - 05/26/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Didnt the shroomerys own roger rabbit make those vids? And too much spores nah bro all that does is make your jars colonize faster and waste spores and the general rule of thumb is after the first 72 hours you dont see any contams your pretty safe but always be watching


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726979 - 05/26/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

rxb said:
we collectively think the oven method is luck based.




Couldnt have put it better myself


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    #21726980 - 05/26/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i do believe that IS roger rabbit!!

BUT WAIT THERES MORE (not really)


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    #21726989 - 05/26/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

BILLY MAYS HERE I SWALLOWED THE CAPS LOCK KEY WHEN I WAS 4 BUY RRS VIDS AND YOU YES YOU COULD GROW YOUR OWN MAGIC MUSHROOMS TO TRIP BALLS


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21726993 - 05/26/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I can't get the paper tape tonight, but I should take of the foil regardless right?



Odd that you said it would be the first 72 hours, its been two week and I didn't notice a contamination until a day or two ago... hopefully thats a good sign for the rest.

so what method do you recommend the glove box?

Midwest grow kits strongly recommended the oven method,,, starting to be disappointed in them :frown:


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21727025 - 05/26/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah take foil off open your contamed jar *outside* and check for a layer of dry vermiculate if you have one tape is not required the dry verm will keep any nastys out unless you disturb it alot and verm from the top gets into the substrate or if your dry verm gets moist (tin foil will cause this) and breeds contams


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    #21727027 - 05/26/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

its not going to be at your drug store, MAYBE at a compounding pharmacy ORRRR a medical supply place.

micropore tape is $$ and not the same as paper tape.


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    #21727028 - 05/26/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

<-- will stop responding when the dilaudid kicks in :smile:


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    #21727033 - 05/26/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The tin foil is to keeP water out of the jars when you pressure cook or steam bath in a pot after that it will only hinder you


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    #21727036 - 05/26/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Whats dilaudid?


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    #21727054 - 05/26/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol... I don't even know if I can tell if there is a layer of dried vermiculite.. it seems to be a different substance than the cake... i've seen the mycelium make its way to the top when taking off a lid at one point, not sure if that means anything. Wondering if maybe since the foil has been on for close to 2 weeks it may be to late to take off the foil, as you said, it may be moist now due to the foil and breeding contam...

calling it a night, you guys have been alot of help,

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    #21727055 - 05/26/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

like heroin in pill form.


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    #21727059 - 05/26/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

people talk shit about grow kits all day... because they are expensive and they fuck up and its easier to do it yourself.


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    #21727110 - 05/27/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice lol i know now haha and yeah grow kits are shit when you do it yourself you can do it right and your actually doing it for the mushrooms benefit not for the sake of making money which its pretty much what kits are made for


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Zuto18]
    #21730383 - 05/27/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I can assure you, this is for my benefit, as I LOVE mushrooms - the 6 trips I had in amsterdam when I spent a month there in 06 were so amazing... since then I've only found mushrooms that good twice, the rest of the time they were so so - like 4 or 5/10 I would say,,


So what method do you guys like if def not the oven?


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21730388 - 05/27/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the reason I got a kit - is cause I had been putting off growing for so long, I got fed up and wanted to do it so badly I went for a kit, so I didnt have to spend alot of time rounding up alot of items I wouldn't know where to get or order from many different vendors online


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: Brahms439]
    #21730581 - 05/27/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I can assure you, this is for my benefit, as I LOVE mushrooms - the 6 trips I had in amsterdam when I spent a month there in 06 were so amazing... since then I've only found mushrooms that good twice, the rest of the time they were so so - like 4 or 5/10 I would say,,


So what method do you guys like if def not the oven?




SAB = still air box.

in those videos i showed you, RR shows you how to make one basically.

but for speed and ease of use (you could give me a 5 mushroom rating :smile:)

you take one of those cheap plastic storage bins, you  get 2 PVC fitting that you can easily fit your arm through. 12 inch is sure to work but 8 inch will probably do if you arent the hulk :smile:

the fitting you want has the threads on the inside of one end with a plug that unscrews here is the plug

http://www.lowes.com/pd_574546-1814-PVC+00106++2000_0__?productId=50114797&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-RoughPlumbingElectrical-_-PvcAndAbsDwv-_-50114797:Charlotte_Pipe&CAWELAID=320011480001695140&kpid=50114797&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=6e76c426-27e2-fac9-7335-00004311eea4&kpid=50114797

you can get them as one peice.


so you cut a hole in the side of the box to match 2 of those... (one for each arm you have)

then you use silicone to glue the pvc ports over the holes.


and you have a top notch SAB.

now you could just cut the holes and have a cheap ass SAB.

and you can put gloves in it and have a glove box. etc etc.

the basic idea is that you puteverything in the box spray it down with alcohol 91% close the lid and let it sit a while ... so the alcohol kills off everything...

then spray down your arms... reach in and do what you need to do.

and for the most part that works.


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the PREFERED method is a laminar flow hood.

which is basically a really expencive hepa filter with an hvac blower on it.

you work in front of the blower and the clean air pushes past the jars, so nothing really gets IN them.

this works really well.

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you can also build a clean room, (ever watch dexter?)


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Re: First time grower looking for some help - thanks [Re: rxb]
    #21730613 - 05/27/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

now i like to work with grain jars that have a air exchange, and a self healing injection port (SHIP).

and you can buy those pre made, you can buy just the lid, or you can buy a jar which is already sterilized with grain in it ready to go.

i prefer the jars at out-grow.com

now if you buy his jars... and 1 tube of HIGHTEMP SILICONE. then you can reload them with grain put them in a pressure cooker and use them forever. (basically).

so you get those jars, and a spore syringe, you shake the shit out of the spore syringe, and then you flame the needle, and put it through the SHIP. you put 1/10th of a cc to 1 cc in the jar... more doesnt mean better or faster (in my opinion)... what you need is a couple drops. thats thousands of spores... and 2 would be enough.

i suggest you get your spores from someplace LIKE sporeworks but NOT sporeworks ... because sporeworks has the best damned syringes.

the reason i suggest that you DONT use sporeworks (read between the lines)... is that those syringes are ONLY for use for looking at under the microscope.... so you should find someplace which DOESNT say that which is ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE SPOREWORKS.

so, you inject the syringe into the jar, put in a few drops, take it out, and then use red high temp rtv silicone (you get it at the autoparts place) you want red or copper.

and you put a dab over the SHIP... so that it lasts forever. (if you always add a fresh dot of silicone...you dont wear it out.

then you wait a few days until you see about a quarter sized white patch... and you SHAKE THE CRAP OUT OF THE JAR....

then wait 3 days... and shake the crap out of the jar. (you want to move the fluffyness around as much as possible).

then you wait 3 days (you get the idea, keep doing this until the jar colonizes all over the jar evenly at once...

so for the rest of this i'm going to suggest you use mexicana gilandoi spores... because they are the best thing you can grow... now i believe you must be someplace its legal to grow these and if not , DONT DO IT... i'd never tell you to break the law.

so, after you shake the last time, wait 2 months.

then you want a grow tray and 50/50 soil/compost from the garden store.

you dump out your grains, you take out all the truffles (round blobs of hard mycellium)...

and you put those in the fridge (you should get about 150 grams which is about 10 servings).

then you take the rest of the grain, put it in the grow tray, cover it with about 1/4 inch of 50/50... and water it... then put it in a SGFC (SHOT GUN FRUITING CHAMBER)... or any other fruiting chamber with high humidity ... which you've had plenty of time to make.

and wait until mushrooms grow...


Edited by rxb (05/27/15 10:46 PM)


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