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BoldAsLove
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How much is a living wage?
#21726284 - 05/26/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm curious, how much do you consider a living wage to be? Not necessarily a number, but what needs should be covered for a wage to be considered a "living wage." Should it cover the needs of more than one individual (significant other, children, etc.), and if so, how many people should it cover? Should it cover only the bare necessities (food, water, shelter) or should it also cover other services? Which ones?
There are many more questions like these that could be applied, but I'm just curious to hear people's opinions. Personally, I don't know how many people it should cover. I think it should be more than one (small family or a couple) but I don't know how many that is. I think it should also allow for upward mobility, for example, by being able to save money to go to trade school or community college. In addition to covering basic necessities, of course.
So, anyways, I'm not looking for a number, but what services should be covered before a wage is a "living wage"?
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21726352 - 05/26/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know you aren't looking for a number but studies I've read indicate that a gross annual income of $70,000 is the sweet spot for people with families in the US.
It really depends on your definition of basic necessities. People only need food, shelter and warmth for survival.
Everything else is up for interpretation.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: Detached]
#21726426 - 05/26/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What does that 70,000 cover? I am looking for exactly that interpretation of what people need to survive, and also what is best for society as a whole.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21726508 - 05/26/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What would you consider best for society as a whole?
Would that money include charitable contributions to your local church and non-profit organizations? Would it include being able to pay your taxes and afford healthcare so you don't depend on society to provide you with food stamps and disability income while helping to provide said accommodations for other people?
You could feed a ton of children in Africa at 20 cents a day with $70,000 but it isn't going to do much for your local community.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: Detached]
#21726627 - 05/26/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think its really impossible to define a living wage as its dependent on the individual situation. I have friends who's rent is $100 a month because they chose a cheap part of town and roomed with a bunch of people. A "living wage" for an 18 year old not going school and living with a bunch of friends is very different than a living wage for a family of 4.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: Detached]
#21726676 - 05/26/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Detached said: What would you consider best for society as a whole?
Would that money include charitable contributions to your local church and non-profit organizations? Would it include being able to pay your taxes and afford healthcare so you don't depend on society to provide you with food stamps and disability income while helping to provide said accommodations for other people?
You could feed a ton of children in Africa at 20 cents a day with $70,000 but it isn't going to do much for your local community.
I'm not sure what's best for society as a whole. I think a living wage should make people entirely self-sufficient (no welfare, food stamps, medicare, etc.). I also think it would be beneficial if people had enough money to save up for a rainy day and were able to pursue some form of education so they could pursue higher paying and more helpful jobs.
And yes, I realize this sounds idealistic, but I think it is what society should work toward.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: psyconaught]
#21726681 - 05/26/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: I think its really impossible to define a living wage as its dependent on the individual situation. I have friends who's rent is $100 a month because they chose a cheap part of town and roomed with a bunch of people. A "living wage" for an 18 year old not going school and living with a bunch of friends is very different than a living wage for a family of 4.
I completely agree. There's been a lot of talk recently about companies needing to provide a living wage, but I think that concept is somewhat ill-defined. That's what prompted my question.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: psyconaught]
#21726682 - 05/26/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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People and places are not homogeneous, so it is impossible to define. To really define it would require a 'standard' lifestyle definition, for every place in the US.
For an employer to pay it, each person would need to be individually evaluated.
Now, here is what government MANDATED 'living wage' will be: It will be the base salary that includes the amount of sugar and free-stuff added into a persons salary,mandated by the government, that will cause the majority of people to pull the lever on election day for the politicians and officials who put it into law.
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I don't think it can be really defined without answering the question of what a minimum wage should really be.
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starfire_xes said: It will be the base salary that includes the amount of sugar and free-stuff added into a persons salary,mandated by the government, that will cause the majority of people to pull the lever on election day for the politicians and officials who put it into law.
Your ballot is invalid if you check every box.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21729755 - 05/27/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my opinion, it should be enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives, for a single parent with two children.
Obviously, it should a minimal amount of food and shelter; not lobster every night in a large house.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: In my opinion, it should be enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives, for a single parent with two children.
Obviously, it should a minimal amount of food and shelter; not lobster every night in a large house.
How generous. Two children, huh. And that same wage would be required for a single person with no children?
Here is what I recommend. If you make minimum wage do not have children. If you still make minimum wage after you have been in the workforce for a few years please do not have children ever. You will only be polluting the gene pool because you are clearly defective.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21729956 - 05/27/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Two children, huh. And that same wage would be required for a single person with no children?
Yes, that's what I believe is fair for someone working full time.
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zappaisgod said: Here is what I recommend. If you make minimum wage do not have children. If you still make minimum wage after you have been in the workforce for a few years please do not have children ever. You will only be polluting the gene pool because you are clearly defective.
Some people aren't as smart as others. But they can still work hard. If you work hard and you work full time, I believe you deserve a living wage. If you don't, then you shouldn't be hired in the first place, unless you change your attitude.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21730294 - 05/27/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: In my opinion, it should be enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives, for a single parent with two children.
Obviously, it should a minimal amount of food and shelter; not lobster every night in a large house.
How generous. Two children, huh. And that same wage would be required for a single person with no children?
Here is what I recommend. If you make minimum wage do not have children. If you still make minimum wage after you have been in the workforce for a few years please do not have children ever. You will only be polluting the gene pool because you are clearly defective.
Sounds like social darwinism. Also you sound like you believe people should be "assessed" according to their economic output. If they don't "perform", they should then be "purged". This is very chilling to read indeed.
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How does simply sworkung hard necessarily benefit society? Hitting your head against the wall is hard work. Iwould know, talking to you is just like hitting my head against a wall.
Why shouls society owe anything to those who owe nothing to society?
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: Shins]
#21730355 - 05/27/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shins said: How does simply sworkung hard necessarily benefit society? Hitting your head against the wall is hard work. Iwould know, talking to you is just like hitting my head against a wall.
Why shouls society owe anything to those who owe nothing to society?
What's "sworkung"? Anyway, I never said we as a society gives to people because they "contribute" to society. I say we as a society give to people on account of their being humans, and all humans deserve to have some semblance of a life of quality. Just by being humans, they are entitled to certain things.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: WAN]
#21730367 - 05/27/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you think we should do away with welfare and disability benefits (for disabled folks). I mean if someone's "unfit", he/she should die so as to "improve our gene pool", right?
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: Shins]
#21730542 - 05/27/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shins said: How does simply sworkung hard necessarily benefit society? Hitting your head against the wall is hard work.
If someone wants to hire you to hit your head against a wall, then he should pay you at least a living wage to do it.
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Shins said: Why shouls society owe anything to those who owe nothing to society?
I didn't say they should. However, I believe that people who work hard for an employer full time doing the job they are hired to do deserves a living wage. If a person fails to work hard doing what they are hired to do, then they should be fired.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I didn't say they should. However, I believe that people who work hard for an employer full time doing the job they are hired to do deserves a living wage. If a person fails to work hard doing what they are hired to do, then they should be fired.
Let's not forget that if that person doesn't earn a living wage from their employer then they will be dependent on government handouts. I don't want to see the government subsidizing wages of private businesses in that way.
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Re: How much is a living wage? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#21731740 - 05/28/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I didn't say they should. However, I believe that people who work hard for an employer full time doing the job they are hired to do deserves a living wage. If a person fails to work hard doing what they are hired to do, then they should be fired.
Let's not forget that if that person doesn't earn a living wage from their employer then they will be dependent on government handouts. I don't want to see the government subsidizing wages of private businesses in that way.
i think this is only true if people make bad decisions. I know plenty of people who have more than survived on min wage because they make good choices, don't have kids, room with lots of people, etc.
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