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Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth
    #21726214 - 05/26/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hi!!! how is everybody doing??' well today i made a very interesting observation... I am having issues with heavy infestation of scale in all my psychotrias... each and everyone of them is heavily infested...

except the only one I let get to flowering stage... it has many unripe berries and the scale seem to competely ignore it... all the plants around this one are heavily infested with this green scale...

I wonder if this may mean that it has different chemical profile when the plant is in flower... maybe it has DMT...

ive read and been told by many people now that p. alba is deffinitely psychoactive but lacks dmt... so anyway i noticed this today and just wanted to share

maybe this is of someones interest

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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: AIRDOG]
    #21726513 - 05/26/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks brother. I don't grow it but what a shame others didn't chime in. It's one of those that I entertain the idea of growing.

Anywho, thanks for the heads up to all.:super:


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21726559 - 05/26/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That is quite an interesting observation, indeed. I have some alba but none are at flowering age yet...

Does anybody have information on the pest resistance of other types of DMT containing plants? I wonder if it is indeed some alkaloid or something that is keeping the scale at bay...?


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21726560 - 05/26/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I have no idea about the fruiting.

I see certain types of fungi are effective against green scale. Maybe that one has a different microbiome?


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: El Torcho]
    #21727528 - 05/27/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was always under the impression Alba DOES contain DMT, just in very tiny amounts.

All of mine just started flowering, but I cut them back to encourage more growth.
I've had pest problems on my smaller ones, scale and aphids. But not on my mature ones, yet anyways...


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: 1234go]
    #21727923 - 05/27/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was always under the impression alba DOES contain DMT, but just slightly less than viridis :shrug:


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21728452 - 05/27/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

According to analysis at by members of the DMT Nexus, Psychotria alba/carthagenensis had no detectable level of dmt in multiple samples.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59967

Plus, I've never read any firsthand trip reports of success with alba.
It's definitely a rumor that it's active but less so than viridis.

Ringworm of the ayahuasca forums swears he had an active alba with espina years ago, so who knows...


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: kerelsk]
    #21728763 - 05/27/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hmm, well that sucks.

I have read/heard plenty about alba being used as a substitute for viridis in aya, though. So what is really going on???

But you are right, alba definitely has a lack of firsthand reports.
For now though, I am going to hold on to hope that alba might be more than something more than a decorative houseplant, but also might try to get some actual viridis leafs to root in the meantime too...


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21728941 - 05/27/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So what is really going on???




Seriously...Just when I think I'm 100% sure of myself, I hear something contradicting. :facepalm:


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: 1234go]
    #21729194 - 05/27/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It is active however doesn't contain DMT; the active compound is not know.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19672112#19672112


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: modern.shaman]
    #21729220 - 05/27/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:cookiemonster:
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Thanks man. :thumbup:


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: 1234go]
    #21730722 - 05/27/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So what does this mean for those who mean to extract from the plant? Is alba not 'extractable'?

Wait, do people even perform extractions on viridis? Or do they just use it for aya?


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21732407 - 05/28/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I did an extraction that yielded nothing... it also did not stain with ehrlich reagent


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: AIRDOG]
    #21732452 - 05/28/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well damn


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21732524 - 05/28/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

cowsRmeat said:
Well damn




I know... I have nearly 20 plants, cos when i got it i rooted many leafs... they are interesting tough.... maybe im gonna try some tea with a pharm MAOI to see what its like


Edited by AIRDOG (05/28/15 01:04 PM)


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: AIRDOG]
    #21732591 - 05/28/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I will likely do the same in a year or so when mine get to a nice, big size.

In the meantime, I'm going to start my quest to find some true viridis leaves to root.


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21734662 - 05/28/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, I will likely do the same in a year or so when mine get to a nice, big size.




if you want to get serious about getting many leaf at once make many plants... dont root leaf... root stems... they grow so much quicker

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In the meantime, I'm going to start my quest to find some true viridis leaves to root.




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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: AIRDOG]
    #21734700 - 05/28/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I might have to try that. I saw someone one time showing a leaf clone vs a rooted stem cutting and (according to this person) the leaf clone was much healthier and hardier...  :shrug:

I was just talking about getting leafs because they are cheaper and make many plants vs a stem cutting...

Thanks for the info


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21735700 - 05/29/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I did a rooted stem vs rooted leaf comparison a while back.

I can't say the leaf cutting was healthier, but it was definitely bushier, slightly more vigorous and not as lanky as the stem cutting.


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: 1234go]
    #21736138 - 05/29/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How long did it take for the leaf clone to 'catch up' to the stem cutting as far as size and overall leaf mass?


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21736339 - 05/29/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This was a while ago, my memory is pretty hazy.

I remember it starting off kinda slow after the stem emerged, twas probably putting more energy into root formation at that point.

But that's why I think leaf cuttings are a better way to go, the root system can be booming before they get even a few inches tall.


I'm just guessing because, again...this was a while back and my short term memory sucks..but I think it was a month or two? before it caught up.

I'm not a super gardener...my soil building skills and use of fertilizers is amature at best.
Someone with more skill and know-how could possibly speed it up ten-fold.


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Re: Curious discovery about flowering psychotria alba/carth [Re: 1234go]
    #21737368 - 05/29/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your experience is exactly the same as the other side-by-side I read.:thumbup:


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