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Do fat people just give up?
    #21724541 - 05/26/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do fat people just give up?

Sometimes when I am driving around or in a store and see a fat person I wonder if they have just given up on life. The worst case scenario is when I am eating at a Mcdonalds and I see like a three hundred pound person order like five double cheeseburgers and fries.

After a certain point, doesn't it just make sense for a fat person to just eat as much as they want all day every day? Like once you get to a certain point and you are super obese there is really no point in trying to lose hundreds of pounds.

But ya, I was just wondering what you guys think. Everyone has their own vices and the same concept could apply to a drug addict too.

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21724546 - 05/26/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If that's true then what about Jared?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21724561 - 05/26/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think most fat people do, but I've known a lot who didn't and lost weight.

It seems that most people we traditionally think of as fat are actually just big boned.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21724607 - 05/26/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I sure would give up if I was super fat. I'm gonna die of a heart attack in the next year or two and I'm already super miserable. Might as well stuff my mouth with shit that give me immediate satisfaction in order to avoid reality.

Or I go get a massive lipo suction and sport a huge slab of loose skin t gross people out.

Either way when you cross the line between manageable and hopeless, might as well make the most of it. How many fat people actually lose the weight? 1%? 2% of them? Fuck it.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21724610 - 05/26/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:chunk:

I was fairly overweight for a long time and one thing to keep in mind is that at a certain level, you're burning a fair amount of calories just hauling your ass around. I was always reasonably active at the same time, so I could grub a shit ton of food daily and my weight was always in stasis.

Now, down thirty pounds, I'm more active than I ever was but I'm still probably burning fewer calories than I was when I was more overweight.

While I know it's not super accurate or anything, I am pretty stoked that I've almost got my BMI under 25, and I can now do a bunch of pullups when I was never able to before in my life. Also, while I've always been working long hours, I now find that my feet don't hurt nearly as much after a 14 hour days as they used to,


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: DrMambo]
    #21725068 - 05/26/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

my friends girl friend is sooo fat and it's been like that for years
i think those shifts she's pulling at the hospital or whatever must be making her loopy


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725117 - 05/26/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My thought is, would the same person order the same food at McDonald's whether they weighed 350 or 150?  I think they would.  I don't think obese fattards got that way by making good food decisions in the first place.  What makes you think they'll make better decisions when they weigh a lot? 


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21725154 - 05/26/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It is difficult to lose 50+ pounds, especially when you are out of shape.  Its easier to just be fat than to work really hard losing weight.  Also I'm sure a lot of fat people feel shitty about their weight, which makes them depressed, which makes eating shitty that much more appealing.  If you are in decent shape and you are over weight its entirely because of laziness.  Changing your diet and running everyday is work, but you can easily lose 1-2 pounds a week doing this.  Cutting down on drinking makes it harder for a lot of people, but it's about priorities.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725183 - 05/26/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

that's why I always limit myself to how fat I can get

once I reach a certain point I diet like a teenage girl (anorexia)
jk about the eating disorder, but I do watch myself when I'm in slob mode


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: shadyy]
    #21725195 - 05/26/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was losing at least 20 pounds once a year for quite a number of years.  I got up to 200 pounds over the winter (I'm 5'6) and lost 40 pounds over the past 4 months.  Its gotten a lot easier since I've quit drinking, but its really easy to let yourself go if you aren't careful.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: fapjack] * 2
    #21725214 - 05/26/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP I would like to direct you to a fairly new documentary film called "Fed Up".

The film covers the obesity epidemic in America and how it caused mainly by beaurocratic fat cats in the food industry. Not to say that Americans aren't lazier than ever and, yes, many give up. Unfortunately, the miseducation of proper food health has many people wondering why they simply cannot lose weight. Also, the ever growing poor population are faced with making the decision of whether they can actually afford to eat healthy. Processed foods are generally far cheaper than healthier alternatives. It's another shitty statistic that affirms that America has been bought out.

I am obese. No, I have not given up. Yes, it is humiliating and my health is suffering. It sucks and without deeply scrutinizing every bite of food, it is incredibly difficult to lose weight.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Ncogneato] * 1
    #21725268 - 05/26/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was overweight a few years back. I was so overweight I would soon have been obese and had I kept eating the same way, I would be morbidly obese by now I'm sure. I saw the light and found the way, let me tell ya brothers and sisters how to do it yourself.

First of all, there is no magic pill or treatment that will let you eat like a pig and lose weight. You must change eating habits and get some exercise. I went to food addicts anonymous, learned their system, used it and lost the excess weight and kept it off. That was about 10 years ago so I think its gone for good. I'm now just below my max healthy weight for my height so I'm not overweight let alone obese.

You will need a group to go to for support and reinforcement or it will be too easy to backslide. Here is the secret; no food with added sugar, flour or wheat. Also, avoid food heavy with fat like cheese, nuts and so on. They are only for treats, not for meals.

Do that and you will lose 2 to 5 lb a month with no effort, just keep doing what you are doing. Most fat people can't be bothered, they won't give up their mac d crap food, their pizza, sodas, candy, etc. You have to have the will to salvage your life and get where you want to be. It took me a couple years to get down, it was easy I never felt deprived at any point. If you reduce calories and use will power, you will lose weight faster but I did this with no effort.

No bread, no pasta, no diet soda, no crap. Can you do it or do you want to look like a walrus until you die of a painful disease?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21725385 - 05/26/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you wanna lose weight and have good self control just use stimulants IMO.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725460 - 05/26/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As a fat guy I got to chime in, some do,  fat people are people just well fat.  I've always been heavy set starting from an early age being 310 at 16 but I was active with weight lifting and what not, I did at one point after turning 18 and using amphetamine heavily down to 185lbs. But a year and a few months after that I got clean so to speak and the weight slowly came back. Well I'm not giving up it's going to take some time but I'm trying to work on it


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: basqueshaman] * 1
    #21725495 - 05/26/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They do it for the attention more than anything. If you keep making posts about them your letting them win. If you just ignored them, they'd give up on being fat, and just lose weight and be normal. The only way to really properly handle fat people is to just ignore them. Kinda like trolls on mushroom based internet forums. Just don't feed them, and they wont gain weight.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725610 - 05/26/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you wanna lose weight and have good self control just use stimulants IMO.




Wow...

Or you could exercise to get into shape, adjust your diet and not be a lazy fuck.

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #21725676 - 05/26/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
If you wanna lose weight and have good self control just use stimulants IMO.




Wow...

Or you could exercise to get into shape, adjust your diet and not be a lazy fuck.

:thefuckisthis:




If I was one of those 600 pound people that requires a crane to hoist me out of bed, you bet your ass my exercise plan would be to shoot copious amounts of meth and jack off until I lose the weight. It would be a do or die scenerio though.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725754 - 05/26/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My friends in the 40's gave up, I look at a picture of them just 5 years and shake my fucking head on how fast they exploded into having no necks, walking like their pants are full of shit and a fuckton of medical issues from it.

One friend can't get a tech job because I believe employers see him as a health liability to their insurance.

And each generation is getting fatter, 30 years ago when I was in school 90% of the kids were healthy and fit with the very small handful fat kids.  Now I go by schools and the obesity rate I observe is saddening....


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: RobZombie68]
    #21725771 - 05/26/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I look at a picture of them just 5 years and shake my fucking head on how fast they exploded into having no necks




LOL


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #21725778 - 05/26/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I look at a picture of them just 5 years and shake my fucking head on how fast they exploded into having no necks




LOL




It's bad when they start to waddle like penguins.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21725779 - 05/26/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #21725792 - 05/26/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There's a couple of whale women that come into the station for snacks every now and then

I feel like they resent me for not being fat too


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #21725799 - 05/26/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

And i hate to say it, but it seems reasonable to judge people because of how fat they are.  Might not want to hire one or let one rent out your house.  You just know they don't do shit. You can't really judge a book by the cover unless that cover is made of lard.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: RobZombie68]
    #21726040 - 05/26/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If I was one of those 600 pound people that requires a crane to hoist me out of bed, you bet your ass my exercise plan would be to shoot copious amounts of meth and jack off until I lose the weight. It would be a do or die scenerio though.



I don't think your heart would be down to sign on to that diet plan..

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And each generation is getting fatter, 30 years ago when I was in school 90% of the kids were healthy and fit with the very small handful fat kids.  Now I go by schools and the obesity rate I observe is saddening....



No shit man, I see some of these little fat kids around and they never had a fucking chance.  I can only imagine what will pop up in the next few generations, if they even make it onto the scene to begin with..


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21726118 - 05/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Processed sugar is the #1 reason why we are seeing all the fat kids in the schools. It's literally a conspiracy! The usda is hiding the truth right before your eyes. Look at a food package; any fucking food package. By law there must be a listing of ingredients and daily values. Everything has a daily value percentage except for.........

.......sugar

Check it for yourself.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21726119 - 05/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My mom is fat
Gave me crap for smoking pot in high school and she's tubbin now
like it's only gross if it's hairy or something i don't understand...


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21726133 - 05/26/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sugars are normally listed under the carbohydrates..


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Ncogneato] * 1
    #21726134 - 05/26/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Processed sugar is the #1 reason why we are seeing all the fat kids in the schools. It's literally a conspiracy! The usda is hiding the truth right before your eyes. Look at a food package; any fucking food package. By law there must be a listing of ingredients and daily values. Everything has a daily value percentage except for.........

.......sugar

Check it for yourself.




Literally a conspiracy!

The illuminati aliens secretly controlling america are fattening everyone up so they can eat them once the invasion takes place. IT'S SO OBVIOUS.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #21726163 - 05/26/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ncogneato said:
Processed sugar is the #1 reason why we are seeing all the fat kids in the schools. It's literally a conspiracy! The usda is hiding the truth right before your eyes. Look at a food package; any fucking food package. By law there must be a listing of ingredients and daily values. Everything has a daily value percentage except for.........

.......sugar

Check it for yourself.




Literally a conspiracy!

The illuminati aliens secretly controlling america are fattening everyone up so they can eat them once the invasion takes place. IT'S SO OBVIOUS.





It's funny right?! LOL....
Too bad we're laughing at the truth.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21726198 - 05/26/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Processed sugar is the #1 reason why we are seeing all the fat kids in the schools. It's literally a conspiracy! The usda is hiding the truth right before your eyes. Look at a food package; any fucking food package. By law there must be a listing of ingredients and daily values. Everything has a daily value percentage except for.........

.......sugar

Check it for yourself.





thats because there is no daily requirement for sugar

ever heard of ketosis? or a ketogenic diet?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Adolin]
    #21726206 - 05/26/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sugars are normally listed under the carbohydrates..




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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21726213 - 05/26/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21726239 - 05/26/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems that most people we traditionally think of as fat are actually just big boned.




Pretty much a myth.

http://www.fitnessunderoath.com/big-boned-big-myth/

https://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/are-the-overweight-really-big-boned/

http://personaltrainerfoodblog.com/2013/02/28/this-week-in-weight-loss-im-not-fat-im-big-boned/

http://www.more-life.co.uk/Default.aspx?PageName=Myths+and+Misconceptions

http://imgur.com/gallery/zRndnqE

http://i.imgur.com/DzFAJyU.jpg

Yes.... people can have slightly larger/denser bones and different bone structures/larger skeletons... but that doesn't really account for being grossly overweight.
And often people develop denser bones BECAUSE they are overweight, not the other way around, because the bones have to compensate for additional mass.
Even if you have a monstrous larger skeleton than most people (which most people don't), that only really accounts for about 5-10lbs extra.

Blaming excessive weight on being "big boned" is kind of a major cop out.
Now glandular problems, that's a different story. There are a few rare instances where someone absolutely can't really control their weight due to genetics or whatever.
But the majority of obese people in America are that way because of a shitty diet and sedentary lifestyle... i.e - their own fault.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21726245 - 05/26/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yea I was going to say, Ive never seen a fat skeleton before..


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21726254 - 05/26/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
If you wanna lose weight and have good self control just use stimulants IMO.




Wow...

Or you could exercise to get into shape, adjust your diet and not be a lazy fuck.

:thefuckisthis:




If I was one of those 600 pound people that requires a crane to hoist me out of bed, you bet your ass my exercise plan would be to shoot copious amounts of meth and jack off until I lose the weight. It would be a do or die scenerio though.



I have a feeling you just told us a little more about your daily routine, than any of us needed to know.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21726286 - 05/26/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone gives up in there own way op.

Everyone. Even you one day.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: trekie]
    #21726400 - 05/26/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I am pretty damn fit right now but when I was younger I was quite fat

I got more and more fat because I was eating food that I didn't think was that unhealthy (pasta, cheese, milk, fruit juice). Metabolically healthy people can have this a few days a week and remain fine. But this was the CORE of my diet. And the nutrition thy teach you in school suported a low fat, high carb diet which just doesnt work. Also, dairy products inflame your intestines and cause food to build up in your stomach

Also, I had bigger issues on my plate. All kinds of personal problems like depression and anxiety that I had to deal with. Little did I realize, both of those were connected to my weight indirectly. The high stress I had made me gain weight more than the diet

Also, I assumed that some people just were genetically fat and genetically thin. It sounds stupid now. But back then, this was a huge reality to me. It seemed like people who put little effort maintained bodies that were thin

in addition to all that I literally didnt understand that being healthy is valuable. It literally makes every single aspect of your day to day life more enjoyable in every way. Food fuels and builds every cell in your body. Excercise pumps oxygen to your blood. Sleep repairs and gives sugar to your cells. Your healthy habits make you and effect all facets of life. Every breath you take is deeper and more enjoyable with good health. This is the most important understanding to have


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21726489 - 05/26/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems that most people we traditionally think of as fat are actually just big boned.




Pretty much a myth.

http://www.fitnessunderoath.com/big-boned-big-myth/

https://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/are-the-overweight-really-big-boned/

http://personaltrainerfoodblog.com/2013/02/28/this-week-in-weight-loss-im-not-fat-im-big-boned/

http://www.more-life.co.uk/Default.aspx?PageName=Myths+and+Misconceptions

http://imgur.com/gallery/zRndnqE

http://i.imgur.com/DzFAJyU.jpg

Yes.... people can have slightly larger/denser bones and different bone structures/larger skeletons... but that doesn't really account for being grossly overweight.
And often people develop denser bones BECAUSE they are overweight, not the other way around, because the bones have to compensate for additional mass.
Even if you have a monstrous larger skeleton than most people (which most people don't), that only really accounts for about 5-10lbs extra.

Blaming excessive weight on being "big boned" is kind of a major cop out.
Now glandular problems, that's a different story. There are a few rare instances where someone absolutely can't really control their weight due to genetics or whatever.
But the majority of obese people in America are that way because of a shitty diet and sedentary lifestyle... i.e - their own fault.




Don't some people have slow metabolisms which increases their chances of gaining weight?

I couldn't gain fat if I wanted in my 20's-30's, it was muscle or nothing, granted I was also very active.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: qman]
    #21726523 - 05/26/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fat people don't give up. They just roll over.

It's all lifestyle obviously and how you are brought up has alot to do with it unless it is a medical disorder such as a thyroid gland problem or something along those lines.


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    #21726585 - 05/26/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Don't some people have slow metabolisms which increases their chances of gaining weight?

I couldn't gain fat if I wanted in my 20's-30's, it was muscle or nothing, granted I was also very active.




Yeah, some people can have a slower metabolism. However it's not something most are stuck with.. there are many ways to boost your metabolism.
However slow metabolism isn't really to blame for people being overweight either. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/expert-answers/slow-metabolism/faq-20058480

Genetics, hypothyroidism, hypercortisolism and other things can cause people to be obese out of their control.. however that is kind of rare.
The large amount of overweight people we have in North America (compared to most other countries) is mostly due to bad diet and no exercise. i.e- they sit on their ass all day and eat crap.
Some people maybe genetically predisposed.. or certain medications can cause excess weight... or glandular problems.. but glandular problems too can often be corrected or helped.
There are very few people who are overly obese completely due to genetics and can't really do much about it.. for the vast majority of people it's totally within their control.


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    #21726655 - 05/26/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The one thing that sucks about being skinny is that you get cold easily. Like when I wear a t-shirt and there is a cold wind in the fall I start shivering and the heavier people with more cushion don't even notice the dip in temperature and are nicely insolated. Same goes for being at the pool.


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    #21726672 - 05/26/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've been 140 lbs. 5'10" since I was 18 or so. I'm 24 now. It's more about genetics than anything.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21726677 - 05/26/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The one thing that sucks about being skinny is that you get cold easily. Like when I wear a t-shirt and there is a cold wind in the fall I start shivering and the heavier people with more cushion don't even notice the dip in temperature and are nicely insolated. Same goes for being at the pool.




There rarely comes a day I don't wear sweaters. It's a comfort thing for me but I also grew up in Alaska so it was pretty much required.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21727172 - 05/27/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know how it is elsewhere, but where I live the fat is self-inflicted.
Lot's of junk food, pre-made (crap) meals and fatty foods.
They complain healthy food is too expensive :facepalm:
In reality they just can't cook for shit and have no imagination, addicted to the food they ate as teenagers!

Seriously, whenever I have to go into poverty mode to survive, my food actually becomes healthier!
It also becomes a lot more boring, and I think that that is the heart of the problem for some.

Edit:
Also, if you want to lose weight you've gotta move your body!
I know two guys, and they have these awful wives I have to be nice to... fat, of course, and of course it is not their fault at all, how dare people body shame them etc. etc. you have heard this before.
The thing is, and everybody in my group of friends knows it and makes fun of it when the husbands are out of earshot, these women spend all fucking day on the couch with facebook or their gameboys or whatever, go to mcDonalds twice a week and can't cook for shit.

Now I do know there are fat people who are not like that at all, some are struggeling real hard to lose it, and I have nothing but respect for that.
That takes some real hardcore determination, you know?
If you see a fatty work hard to become more human-shaped, then encourage him or her as much as you can! These people take charge of their own lives and are almost of an entire different species then those fat fucks that have just given up and stuff themselves all day long.

Edit2: some people at school & work give me shit for eating fruit every day. "Hey Turtletotem, trying to get healthy? Quit smoking first AHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Bastards. I eat fruit because it is fucking amazing, it's like candy that also quenches your thirst and is cheap as fuck.

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21727393 - 05/27/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You dont give up, you ignore the issue, you turn a blind eye until you can't dodge it any longer.

In my minds eye I'm not nearly as fat as I am. Even if I look in the mirror, it doesnmt quite show me that.

In photos I do see it because they are an outsider perspective.

I eat the wrong things in the wrong amounts in the wronmg times of the day because I CRAVE physical pleasure, which I have very little of.

Its now that I took up swimming, that I'm getting physical pleasure in other ways and I'm starting to moderate and alter my food intake. I swim 6 days a week now, 2-3 hours at a time. It makes me so happy to be weightless in that water, to be able to move without pain.

At 360 pounds your body becomes a medieval torture device. Nothing works any more. Any position you put your body in hurts. Theres no solace. You are a social outcast. You weigh twice what you should and its next to impossible getting it off.

An athlete told me proudly he could lift 350 pounds. Well whoop tee fucking doo I have to do that every time I get up out of my chair. That weight rests on each foot and knee with every step I take. Its torture. True Hell. "exercise and the weight will come off" Well you strap three sixty pound weight disks to your body and you go and do that dude. Someone suggesting me I'd go jogging should be shot, its an insult, that degree of ignorance of what I have to cope with. I'm happy to be able to walk a quarter mile. You sports types probably couldnt. I don't want pity, but I want acknowledgement of the cross I bear, regardless of how I came to be in this situation.

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Asante]
    #21727560 - 05/27/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Swimming is a great option! I have a friend who is about your size and because of medical problems hes decided to try and lose weight, I immediately suggested swimming because it's a great way to burn calories without him putting too much pressure on his knees (I mean is it really worth it if he fucks his knees up in the process of trying to get healthy).

The extra 15lbs I've gained being pregnant takes a lot out of me and makes everything twice as hard to do so I really feel for both of you guys...I can't imagine what you must go through every day.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Asante]
    #21727744 - 05/27/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Asante, just give up sugar, flour and wheat and those pounds will drop off, I promise. It doesn't happen overnight, you know that. It happens over a couple years but you see it on the scale right away, soon you see it in the mirror. Later, other people see it too and comment about how you are losing weight. I would have weighed just as much if I had kept with my garbage diet but I changed.

Sugar is addictive, it gives you a rush and you crave it. Once someone quits sugar, they turn immediately to flour products; bread, rolls, pasta, pizza, etc. Flour turns to sugar within minutes of eating it. Quit the sugar and flour, don't load up on fatty foods like cheese or nuts and you break the addiction. The cravings go away within a couple days. Eat veggies, whole grains, fruit, lean meats. No macdonalds, no diet drinks, no sodas, no fruit juice, no sweets or bread. It works, I promise. You don't starve, you feel better and the weight drops off. Eat all the veggies you want.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21728412 - 05/27/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, cutting the sugars and highly processed carbs definitely helps. Sugary beverages including sweetened coffee and juices too (many juices have more sugars than soda. Fruit is Healthy, fruit juice, not so much). Even, "diet", beverages throw your pancreas into insulin production, ufcking up the works on how your blood sugar gets negotiated around yer body.

One thing I've done that's greatly helped my weight loss is getting all my calories for the day in an eleven hour period, so that in the 12-13 hours that I'm not eating my body eventually burns through the sugars in my bloodstream from food it's digested that day and is forced to go into some of its reserves. Rodent studies with intermittent daily fasting have shown increase of muscle to fat ratio even without decreased caloric intake. I know humans and rodents obviously aren't the same critters, but it's something worth bearing in mind.

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: DrMambo]
    #21728692 - 05/27/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If I was fat, I'd immediately start going to the gym and eating healthy.  Looking in the mirror would be motivation enough...  :lol:


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: spixce]
    #21728707 - 05/27/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It would be the worst when you fat starts spilling out of your waist band for the "mushroom top" look.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728715 - 05/27/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The worst is when you have to wash between fat rolls so you don't get crease grease.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21728725 - 05/27/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It would be the worst when you fat starts spilling out of your waist band for the "mushroom top" look.



Oh, if it was that bad I'd just use amps or bath salts to lose weight.


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    #21728855 - 05/27/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

divorce and the struggle that arose from having to start over again in my thirties has not been kind to me. let me rephrase that: i haven't been kind to myself over the past five years due to my personal life. i was huge through high school and then adopted a healthy lifestyle in my twenties. after about mid-2010 i just gave up. now it seems like i'm so busy that i don't have time to give it the serious go i need to. i know that's wrong headed, but it's where i'm at. i'm not giving up though. i'm surrounded by love here. i have more friends than i can keep up with and a beautiful girlfriend (who's a nutrition and fitness freak) that's been in my life for almost two years now. i may be fat but at least i'm not alone. that and i have a ton of kinky sex on the reg.

but yeah, getting back in shape is one of the pieces that is going to have to come together not just for me to live up to my potential, but for me to survive past middle age. i'm so not down with having weight related issues, which thankfully i've been able to avoid for now.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21729596 - 05/27/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I keep telling people all you have to do is give up sugar, flour and wheat. But will they do it? No, they would rather cut off a leg than eat healthy. They will pay money, will take any sort of pill, have any operation but will not give up garbage food.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21729674 - 05/27/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don' exercise besides taking my dog on walks, eat junk food multiple times a weak and am super skinny. My waist size for my pants is like a 31 not sure what I weigh.


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    #21729714 - 05/27/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You also have to realize that family traditions and ways of eating/cooking pass down generation to generation. Sometimes being big is just, inherited so to speak. I mean, if your a child and your parents are big and only give you food that basically makes you big, you're bound to be big.

As Ncogneato mentioned, watch Fed Up on netflix or rent it or something. It's a pretty good look at the reality of how sugary food is kinda everywhere, just like how sex sells products.

Shicks wack. Ever since I saw that film it made me realize how candy at stores are always at child height. I always saw that but never thought anything of it. It's like ddammmmnnnnnnn maaaannnnnn....  :deepman:


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    #21729742 - 05/27/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to check that out. I noticed this just today when my one year old wanted a sucker when checking out at the store. I thought to myself "hmm that's clever to put it at kid height"

I'm a bitch about the kid having sugar though so he didn't get his sucker...I didn't buy all those fruits and veggies for nothing damnit.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21729848 - 05/27/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm going to check that out. I noticed this just today when my one year old wanted a sucker when checking out at the store. I thought to myself "hmm that's clever to put it at kid height"

I'm a bitch about the kid having sugar though so he didn't get his sucker...I didn't buy all those fruits and veggies for nothing damnit.



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I keep telling people all you have to do is give up sugar, flour and wheat. But will they do it? No, they would rather cut off a leg than eat healthy. They will pay money, will take any sort of pill, have any operation but will not give up garbage food.



sometimes people enjoy their food too much to give it up. But also, a lot of foods that are marketed as healthy are not healthy at all. That was really my personal problem. There is also little discussion of the right kind of fats etc.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: topdog82]
    #21729865 - 05/27/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Lol I'm a mom but thanks


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
    #21729873 - 05/27/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

With the name "chicksgrowtoo" I thought maybe everyone else assumed you were the mother? hahahaha, just me maybe.


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I keep telling people all you have to do is give up sugar, flour and wheat. But will they do it? No, they would rather cut off a leg than eat healthy. They will pay money, will take any sort of pill, have any operation but will not give up garbage food.



sometimes people enjoy their food too much to give it up. But also, a lot of foods that are marketed as healthy are not healthy at all. That was really my personal problem. There is also little discussion of the right kind of fats etc.




They don't enjoy their junk food so much as they are addicted to it. Sugar definitely causes cravings for more sugar. Its much like cocaine just not as intense. A few have a fat tooth and like lots of fats; ice cream, cheese, chocolate, nuts and so on.

You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap. If you know your weight is killing you and ruining your life, isn't it worth it to give up crap food? You don't miss it after a while, the cravings go away and you just have to watch out for well meaning people bringing you a birthday cake, inviting you to parties and expecting you to eat junk, and so on.


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    #21730813 - 05/28/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol I'm a mom but thanks



either way, I have struggled with obesity and poor eating habits. my parents didnt know better and fed me a poor diet. A clean diet is stepping stone to proper brain development. So like I said, good on u :thumbup:

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With the name "chicksgrowtoo" I thought maybe everyone else assumed you were the mother? hahahaha, just me maybe.



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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: topdog82]
    #21731223 - 05/28/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap.



Not really, fruit is mostly sugar so if you made yourself eat like 10 bananas a day in addition to all your meats and stuff you could gain


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You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap.



Not really, fruit is mostly sugar so if you made yourself eat like 10 bananas a day in addition to all your meats and stuff you could gain




Did I say "in addition to..."? No, I didn't. However, you do have to go slow with certain foods that are technically fruit but very high in sugar like dates, figs, pineapples. Also, not too much of apples, or pears which are also high. You can eat some of that just don't fill up on it. I've never met anyone who was fat eating all the veggies and fruit they could hold. No starvation on my system, eat all you want of the good stuff.

Avoid not only sugar but sugar substitutes. Study after study has shown that fake sugar does not lead to weight loss, it leads to more eating and more weight. Fake sugar stimulates the appetite. Avoid fake fats too.


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    #21732881 - 05/28/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

fat people are harder to kidnap, thats all i know.  And they should cut back on shoving food down their throats.


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    #21732917 - 05/28/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

She knows she tried with me .



I am fuelled by cheep beer cheap food and drugs. I may have a bit of a gut but fuck it. I could still out fight out fuck and out drink most of you. Then I'll wake up at 7:30 and go back to work.


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    #21732935 - 05/28/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In some cases people reach a weight where they don't believe exercise and diet will help or they just really hate healthy foods. A lot of time it can be a glandular or genetic thing though so I don't think it's fair to say all fat people just give up. Alot of times they eat fairly well.


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    #21733029 - 05/28/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I could still out fight out fuck and out drink most of you. Then I'll wake up at 7:30 and go back to work.


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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.


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    #21733132 - 05/28/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

HAHA!!  LOL!!


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    #21733140 - 05/28/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Umm which one of you is the justfortoday puppet?


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    #21733296 - 05/28/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21733374 - 05/28/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit...I just realized Idk who I am anymore :uhoh:


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    #21733436 - 05/28/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21739233 - 05/29/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I was overweight a few years back. I was so overweight I would soon have been obese and had I kept eating the same way, I would be morbidly obese by now I'm sure. I saw the light and found the way, let me tell ya brothers and sisters how to do it yourself.




Can I ask you how much you weighed (back when you were overweight) and how tall you were?  I bet you were not as fat as I am.  I am 5 foot 6, and I weigh 80 Kg.


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    #21741115 - 05/30/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm tall, my bmi was getting close to 30 which is a danger level. I had tried limiting calories, it works for a short time, then the cravings break you down. we've all been there. When I got on the no sugar, no flour diet, the cravings went away shortly. I used no will power, ate until I was full and lost 5 lb a month the first few months, then it tapered down to 2 a month. Now, bmi is below 25 and after more than 10 years the fat never came back. I'm not in perfect shape, still have a little fat and flab but I look thin.  Really heavy people lose much more, perhaps 10 to 20 lb a month tapering to perhaps 5 by the end of the first year. By then they have lost the bulk of it and success is within grasp.

If you do this and limit portions, you lose even faster but my will power was worn out so I didn't use any. No products containing added sugar, flour, wheat. No soft drinks of any kind, no artificial sugars, no artificial fats, take it easy on natural fats too. Don't make a meal out of cheese, nuts, fatty meats, etc. Avoid or cut down on processed foods containing sugar or fat.

Cravings for sugar go away within a few days, that is the main problem. You still remember how great the greaseburger or pizza tasted, but if your belly is full, you can ignore your mind craving certain flavors. Don't cheat, a bite or two of sweets leads to a backslide. Don't buy a pound of cheese if its your weakness thinking you will just eat a bite a day. Get rid of all bread, flour products, sweets, etc. Give them away. If people gift you with baked goods or sweets, give it away to a homeless person. They prefer alcohol but will take food.

Once you make up your mind you are going to do this and stay on it, you are on the path to success and its all doable. In 6 months you will look and feel better.


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    #21741124 - 05/30/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm tall, my bmi was getting close to 30 which is a danger level. I had tried limiting calories, it works for a short time, then the cravings break you down. we've all been there. When I got on the no sugar, no flour diet, the cravings went away shortly. I used no will power, ate until I was full and lost 5 lb a month the first few months, then it tapered down to 2 a month. Now, bmi is below 25 and after more than 10 years the fat never came back. I'm not in perfect shape, still have a little fat and flab but I look thin.  Really heavy people lose much more, perhaps 10 to 20 lb a month tapering to perhaps 5 by the end of the first year. By then they have lost the bulk of it and success is within grasp.

If you do this and limit portions, you lose even faster but my will power was worn out so I didn't use any. No products containing added sugar, flour, wheat. No soft drinks of any kind, no artificial sugars, no artificial fats, take it easy on natural fats too. Don't make a meal out of cheese, nuts, fatty meats, etc. Avoid or cut down on processed foods containing sugar or fat.

Cravings for sugar go away within a few days, that is the main problem. You still remember how great the greaseburger or pizza tasted, but if your belly is full, you can ignore your mind craving certain flavors. Don't cheat, a bite or two of sweets leads to a backslide. Don't buy a pound of cheese if its your weakness thinking you will just eat a bite a day. Get rid of all bread, flour products, sweets, etc. Give them away. If people gift you with baked goods or sweets, give it away to a homeless person. They prefer alcohol but will take food.

Once you make up your mind you are going to do this and stay on it, you are on the path to success and its all doable. In 6 months you will look and feel better.




generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21741148 - 05/30/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21741252 - 05/30/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.




That (the bolded part) is a very nice little trick, stone.

As for me, I just checked some BMI index thingie website, and I found my number to be a whopping 28.4.  But I am actively trying to lose them fat rolls, though.  I do it by skipping lunch, which is easy to do because I get quite a few swing shifts (I work from 11 PM to like 4 PM).  I don't really get any "cravings" for sweets and stuff, but I do have the desire to go eat at this All you can eat Japanese restaurant.  I limit it to once a month, though.

For breakfast I eat porridge/cooked oatmeal with brown rice, and also mixed nuts (walnut, pine nut, and cashew), plus orange.

I like your weight loss strategy, stone.  Very healthy and more importantly, doable.  The will power is indeed a very integral part of any weight loss plan.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: WAN]
    #21741379 - 05/30/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone has cravings for different things. Usually its for sugar be it in the form of sweets or bread, pasta, etc. Some have more cravings for fats. Cutting the sugar, flour, etc cuts your cravings of all types but don't eat even a bite of anything you have a weakness for.

>For breakfast I eat porridge/cooked oatmeal with brown rice, and also mixed nuts (walnut, pine nut, and cashew), plus orange.

That's good.

> I do it by skipping lunch

Not as great, it may work but skipping meals gives you the munchies. Bring an apple, carrots, or even a cooked piece of chicken.

>I like your weight loss strategy, stone.  Very healthy and more importantly, doable.  The will power is indeed a very integral part of any weight loss plan.

I would have lost more weight faster had I used will power but mine was all used up. It took all the will power I had to not buy any crap in the store. A moment's weakness means you have a bag or box of junk staring at you in the home. If its not in the home you won't eat it. Its more work to go out, get in the car, drive to the crap food place so you don't do it. If all you have to do is grab it out of the fridge, you will likely break down so don't have it at home.

Make up your mind you will give up those bad foods forever and you are mentally a winner. Its a lifetime plan, you don't lose the weight and go back to junk food or the weight comes back too. I kept it off many years. Now I allow myself a little dark chocolate, some low sugar yogurt, and i don't backslide but don't play games in the beginning.


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    #21741439 - 05/30/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

again, very sound advice.  couldn't agree more


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    #21741460 - 05/30/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.




thanks for the response. i'm really needing to make a change and this is useful advice.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21741640 - 05/30/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

People get addicted to food just like a drug. It's a matter of learning the difference between hunger and cravings as well as knowing what your body actually needs as opposed to wants. It must be maddening for someone who's hooked on junkfood with all the advertising around, and the holidays are like a total bender of food. Like the show "my 600 pound life". How the hell do you get that big and at what point do you draw the line.


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People get addicted to food just like a drug. It's a matter of learning the difference between hunger and cravings as well as knowing what your body actually needs as opposed to wants. It must be maddening for someone who's hooked on junkfood with all the advertising around, and the holidays are like a total bender of food. Like the show "my 600 pound life". How the hell do you get that big and at what point do you draw the line.




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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
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>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.




thanks for the response. i'm really needing to make a change and this is useful advice.



I was also overwieght. What surprisingly helped me a lot, was putting in probiotics in my diet. Probiotics(capsule), yogurt, and kambucha all helped me. Diminished cravings and helped me eat less


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21744089 - 05/31/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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People get addicted to food just like a drug. It's a matter of learning the difference between hunger and cravings as well as knowing what your body actually needs as opposed to wants. It must be maddening for someone who's hooked on junkfood with all the advertising around, and the holidays are like a total bender of food.




Although I am not overweight and wasn't raised on packaged food and in fact grew up with a relatively healthy whole food diet (compared to most) - I am succeptible to this. This past year I am back in school in my home town and drive right past many fast food restaurants - after a long day when I am having hunger cravings, for me a Wendys Junior Bacon Cheeseburger is irresistible.

I feel like this is a response to stress more than hunger and I've since focused on avoiding this. Same with eating crappy starbucks/cafeteria food at school. I can bring a lunch, prepare beforehand and eat sufficiently throughout the day - but when stressed and exposed to these greasy fast food joints (usually while buying a coffee) I've found myself easily succeptible.

The convenience factor just reals me in right past my own best judgement - So i can't imagine how it is for someone with a more ingrained "poor" eating habit. *fucking-society-man-facepalm*

This said - I am learning to deal with my stress more effectively and also tracking my diet more carefully/planning ahead. I hope this won't be a problem next year.


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