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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: topdog82]
    #21729933 - 05/27/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I keep telling people all you have to do is give up sugar, flour and wheat. But will they do it? No, they would rather cut off a leg than eat healthy. They will pay money, will take any sort of pill, have any operation but will not give up garbage food.



sometimes people enjoy their food too much to give it up. But also, a lot of foods that are marketed as healthy are not healthy at all. That was really my personal problem. There is also little discussion of the right kind of fats etc.




They don't enjoy their junk food so much as they are addicted to it. Sugar definitely causes cravings for more sugar. Its much like cocaine just not as intense. A few have a fat tooth and like lots of fats; ice cream, cheese, chocolate, nuts and so on.

You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap. If you know your weight is killing you and ruining your life, isn't it worth it to give up crap food? You don't miss it after a while, the cravings go away and you just have to watch out for well meaning people bringing you a birthday cake, inviting you to parties and expecting you to eat junk, and so on.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21729947 - 05/27/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Spoorman] * 1
    #21730813 - 05/28/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol I'm a mom but thanks



either way, I have struggled with obesity and poor eating habits. my parents didnt know better and fed me a poor diet. A clean diet is stepping stone to proper brain development. So like I said, good on u :thumbup:

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With the name "chicksgrowtoo" I thought maybe everyone else assumed you were the mother? hahahaha, just me maybe.



I never really read any of the names of the people who post. I am usually just looking at the pictures and stoned in the evening time when I get on here. Even if I am sober, I rarely remember shroomerites by name.Always pic, sig and posting style


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: topdog82]
    #21731223 - 05/28/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap.



Not really, fruit is mostly sugar so if you made yourself eat like 10 bananas a day in addition to all your meats and stuff you could gain


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Synthe]
    #21732870 - 05/28/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You can eat all the veggies and fruit you can hold and will lose weight. Just don't eat any crap.



Not really, fruit is mostly sugar so if you made yourself eat like 10 bananas a day in addition to all your meats and stuff you could gain




Did I say "in addition to..."? No, I didn't. However, you do have to go slow with certain foods that are technically fruit but very high in sugar like dates, figs, pineapples. Also, not too much of apples, or pears which are also high. You can eat some of that just don't fill up on it. I've never met anyone who was fat eating all the veggies and fruit they could hold. No starvation on my system, eat all you want of the good stuff.

Avoid not only sugar but sugar substitutes. Study after study has shown that fake sugar does not lead to weight loss, it leads to more eating and more weight. Fake sugar stimulates the appetite. Avoid fake fats too.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21732881 - 05/28/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

fat people are harder to kidnap, thats all i know.  And they should cut back on shoving food down their throats.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: sprinkles]
    #21732917 - 05/28/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

She knows she tried with me .



I am fuelled by cheep beer cheap food and drugs. I may have a bit of a gut but fuck it. I could still out fight out fuck and out drink most of you. Then I'll wake up at 7:30 and go back to work.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: trekie]
    #21732935 - 05/28/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In some cases people reach a weight where they don't believe exercise and diet will help or they just really hate healthy foods. A lot of time it can be a glandular or genetic thing though so I don't think it's fair to say all fat people just give up. Alot of times they eat fairly well.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: trekie]
    #21733029 - 05/28/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I could still out fight out fuck and out drink most of you. Then I'll wake up at 7:30 and go back to work.


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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. You didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21733132 - 05/28/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

HAHA!!  LOL!!


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21733140 - 05/28/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Umm which one of you is the justfortoday puppet?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
    #21733296 - 05/28/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

We are all his puppets


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: trekie]
    #21733374 - 05/28/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit...I just realized Idk who I am anymore :uhoh:


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: chicksgrowtoo]
    #21733436 - 05/28/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thataintright:


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21739233 - 05/29/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I was overweight a few years back. I was so overweight I would soon have been obese and had I kept eating the same way, I would be morbidly obese by now I'm sure. I saw the light and found the way, let me tell ya brothers and sisters how to do it yourself.




Can I ask you how much you weighed (back when you were overweight) and how tall you were?  I bet you were not as fat as I am.  I am 5 foot 6, and I weigh 80 Kg.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: WAN]
    #21741115 - 05/30/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm tall, my bmi was getting close to 30 which is a danger level. I had tried limiting calories, it works for a short time, then the cravings break you down. we've all been there. When I got on the no sugar, no flour diet, the cravings went away shortly. I used no will power, ate until I was full and lost 5 lb a month the first few months, then it tapered down to 2 a month. Now, bmi is below 25 and after more than 10 years the fat never came back. I'm not in perfect shape, still have a little fat and flab but I look thin.  Really heavy people lose much more, perhaps 10 to 20 lb a month tapering to perhaps 5 by the end of the first year. By then they have lost the bulk of it and success is within grasp.

If you do this and limit portions, you lose even faster but my will power was worn out so I didn't use any. No products containing added sugar, flour, wheat. No soft drinks of any kind, no artificial sugars, no artificial fats, take it easy on natural fats too. Don't make a meal out of cheese, nuts, fatty meats, etc. Avoid or cut down on processed foods containing sugar or fat.

Cravings for sugar go away within a few days, that is the main problem. You still remember how great the greaseburger or pizza tasted, but if your belly is full, you can ignore your mind craving certain flavors. Don't cheat, a bite or two of sweets leads to a backslide. Don't buy a pound of cheese if its your weakness thinking you will just eat a bite a day. Get rid of all bread, flour products, sweets, etc. Give them away. If people gift you with baked goods or sweets, give it away to a homeless person. They prefer alcohol but will take food.

Once you make up your mind you are going to do this and stay on it, you are on the path to success and its all doable. In 6 months you will look and feel better.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21741124 - 05/30/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm tall, my bmi was getting close to 30 which is a danger level. I had tried limiting calories, it works for a short time, then the cravings break you down. we've all been there. When I got on the no sugar, no flour diet, the cravings went away shortly. I used no will power, ate until I was full and lost 5 lb a month the first few months, then it tapered down to 2 a month. Now, bmi is below 25 and after more than 10 years the fat never came back. I'm not in perfect shape, still have a little fat and flab but I look thin.  Really heavy people lose much more, perhaps 10 to 20 lb a month tapering to perhaps 5 by the end of the first year. By then they have lost the bulk of it and success is within grasp.

If you do this and limit portions, you lose even faster but my will power was worn out so I didn't use any. No products containing added sugar, flour, wheat. No soft drinks of any kind, no artificial sugars, no artificial fats, take it easy on natural fats too. Don't make a meal out of cheese, nuts, fatty meats, etc. Avoid or cut down on processed foods containing sugar or fat.

Cravings for sugar go away within a few days, that is the main problem. You still remember how great the greaseburger or pizza tasted, but if your belly is full, you can ignore your mind craving certain flavors. Don't cheat, a bite or two of sweets leads to a backslide. Don't buy a pound of cheese if its your weakness thinking you will just eat a bite a day. Get rid of all bread, flour products, sweets, etc. Give them away. If people gift you with baked goods or sweets, give it away to a homeless person. They prefer alcohol but will take food.

Once you make up your mind you are going to do this and stay on it, you are on the path to success and its all doable. In 6 months you will look and feel better.




generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: millzy]
    #21741148 - 05/30/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21741252 - 05/30/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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>generally, and i don't expect you to write a textbook here, what types of food did you eat to get where you are now?

Veggies mostly, broccoli, cauliflower, peas, corn, beans, etc. Some fruit, potatoes. I'm a vegetarian but lean meats are ok. Potatoes have starch which is borderline since it does turn into sugar but not as fast. Don't overdo the potatoes, sweet potatoes are better than white. Cook things with spices and flavorings, chew each bite many times until its gone. This gives you tactile satisfaction, the taste satisfies your need for flavor, chewing many times makes your brain think you ate more than you did.

When you go into the store, do not go into the bakery, only problems lurk there. Do not go down the aisles, stay with fresh or fresh frozen veggies and fruit, perhaps lean meat. Whole grains are good, brown rice, oatmeal, quinoa, and a few others. Avoid looking at the tempting displays of crap food, your will power can break down. Once you get home without buying any junk, you have won that battle.




That (the bolded part) is a very nice little trick, stone.

As for me, I just checked some BMI index thingie website, and I found my number to be a whopping 28.4.  But I am actively trying to lose them fat rolls, though.  I do it by skipping lunch, which is easy to do because I get quite a few swing shifts (I work from 11 PM to like 4 PM).  I don't really get any "cravings" for sweets and stuff, but I do have the desire to go eat at this All you can eat Japanese restaurant.  I limit it to once a month, though.

For breakfast I eat porridge/cooked oatmeal with brown rice, and also mixed nuts (walnut, pine nut, and cashew), plus orange.

I like your weight loss strategy, stone.  Very healthy and more importantly, doable.  The will power is indeed a very integral part of any weight loss plan.


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Re: Do fat people just give up? [Re: WAN]
    #21741379 - 05/30/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone has cravings for different things. Usually its for sugar be it in the form of sweets or bread, pasta, etc. Some have more cravings for fats. Cutting the sugar, flour, etc cuts your cravings of all types but don't eat even a bite of anything you have a weakness for.

>For breakfast I eat porridge/cooked oatmeal with brown rice, and also mixed nuts (walnut, pine nut, and cashew), plus orange.

That's good.

> I do it by skipping lunch

Not as great, it may work but skipping meals gives you the munchies. Bring an apple, carrots, or even a cooked piece of chicken.

>I like your weight loss strategy, stone.  Very healthy and more importantly, doable.  The will power is indeed a very integral part of any weight loss plan.

I would have lost more weight faster had I used will power but mine was all used up. It took all the will power I had to not buy any crap in the store. A moment's weakness means you have a bag or box of junk staring at you in the home. If its not in the home you won't eat it. Its more work to go out, get in the car, drive to the crap food place so you don't do it. If all you have to do is grab it out of the fridge, you will likely break down so don't have it at home.

Make up your mind you will give up those bad foods forever and you are mentally a winner. Its a lifetime plan, you don't lose the weight and go back to junk food or the weight comes back too. I kept it off many years. Now I allow myself a little dark chocolate, some low sugar yogurt, and i don't backslide but don't play games in the beginning.


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