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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: D.M.T]
    #21724429 - 05/26/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Probably not going to reach a guy's skull very easily if he's big enough, and blows anywhere else wouldn't affect them much. Pepper spray is easier to use - it lingers in the air so you don't really have to be good at aiming or have a size advantage.




You don't need to hit his skull, I'm just saying it can actually hurt someone.  Who's to say that someone can't just close their eyes and beat you blind?  If you start breaking bones though they will have to stop.

I just think a baseball bat is about the best hand to handish weapon you can get.  I don't care how big you are it isn't that hard to seriously injure someone with a bat.  I'd take that over pepper spray any day.  What if they're wearing goggles?  Then you're screwed :sadyes:


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Bassfreak]
    #21724432 - 05/26/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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(just what someone who i know has a liscence to carry told me, cuz like if it isnt full then you obviously used it)




Maybe you didn't fully load it.





i thiiiiiink the law is that its supposed to be fully loaded tho



Ive never heard that one before.  I dont discount it, just never heard that.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724435 - 05/26/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It isn't like I put a lot of thought into it. I think the best thing to take from my list is that guns will solve the problem the quickest and fists the slowest with most potential injury to yourself. All can fuck someone up, but I'd prefer to have a weapon at least one notch higher than my opponent. I'm not trying to fight unless it's recreation. Fighting some random pimp on the street in Oakland is not on my list of things I want to try, especially if his friends see and decide to jump in.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: D.M.T] * 2
    #21724442 - 05/26/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah well I think you're overestimating pepper spray, and tazers can be hit or miss too.  It's actually not as idiot proof as you're making it out to be  :maceyourface:


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Amanita86]
    #21724448 - 05/26/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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(just what someone who i know has a liscence to carry told me, cuz like if it isnt full then you obviously used it)




Maybe you didn't fully load it.





i thiiiiiink the law is that its supposed to be fully loaded tho



Ive never heard that one before.  I dont discount it, just never heard that.





i could def be wrong

living near boston, NOBODY has guns here. so this is the only kid i know with a licence to carry

he said you cant have empty slots in your clip tho cuz then that means youve been using your gun i guess and i guess thats bad? idk

if thats true then id assume you gotta keep it full cuz the "i only had so many bullets" lie would be way too easy to say


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724463 - 05/26/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah well I think you're overestimating pepper spray, and tazers can be hit or miss too.  It's actually not as idiot proof as you're making it out to be  :maceyourface:



No you're just putting words in my mouth. I do not appreciate it.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: D.M.T]
    #21724480 - 05/26/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah well I think you're overestimating pepper spray, and tazers can be hit or miss too.  It's actually not as idiot proof as you're making it out to be  :maceyourface:



No you're just putting words in my mouth. I do not appreciate it.




How so?  You ranked pepper spray as the #2 weapon after guns.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724484 - 05/26/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I already explained. You may go away now.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724495 - 05/26/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah well I think you're overestimating pepper spray, and tazers can be hit or miss too.  It's actually not as idiot proof as you're making it out to be  :maceyourface:





If your chasing someone and spraying mace, like the girl in the gif, it ceases to be self defense. Which is what this thread is about.

If your about to mace, close your eyes and hold your breath. Then run to a safe distance.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724524 - 05/26/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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:lol: that's pretty arbitrary.  Considering you can crack a skull with a club and only temporarily blind someone with pepper spray in an ideal situation I don't understand the metric you are using.




have you ever been sprayed or seen someone get sprayed?  O.C. is extremely effective.  get it in your eyes, and you can't see.  breath it in, and you can't catch a breath.  Sure, theoretically, someone could still hold their breath, and come at you blind like it was bloodsport or something.  but if you ever watch a video of Marines doing O.C. training, its pretty obvious that even trained military personnel have a hard time just forming a reasonable defense after being sprayed


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21724525 - 05/26/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah well I think you're overestimating pepper spray, and tazers can be hit or miss too.  It's actually not as idiot proof as you're making it out to be  :maceyourface:





If your chasing someone and spraying mace, like the girl in the gif, it ceases to be self defense. Which is what this thread is about.

If your about to mace, close your eyes and hold your breath. Then run to a safe distance.




:rolleyes: Oh yeah that is an effective defense, closing your eyes.  Whatever DMT wants to make ridiculous statements and not back them up.  I still think ranking mace/pepper spray right after guns is just silly.  Pepper spray and tazers are not idiot-proof weapons, they are non-lethal weapons.  That is what distinguishes them.  If anything they're less effective than traditional weapons.  I didn't understand why he ranked them so high, and apparently it is like I assumed he just pulled that ranking out of his ass with no real thought behind it :shrug:


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724537 - 05/26/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They stop the problem quickly and easily, and more often than not. They're not meant to be lethal. It's a pretty easy explanation - clubs do require some degree of muscle and size advantage to work as well.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724559 - 05/26/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My example of closing your eyes and holding your breathe is for the person defending themselves, not for the attacker. Mace stays in the air for a little bit which is why it's so good. But if your gonna spray, you will know when it's coming out, so prepare to mitigate damage to yourself.

Even if the attacker prepares by closing his eyes and holding his breath, a squirt to the fucking face is still gonna stop him because he's gotta breathe at some point.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21724583 - 05/26/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fair enough, if you're not able to swing and move your feet fast enough to make having a club be an advantage, it won't help, but you don't have to be that strong to do alot of damage, and you need to get close to use pepper spray and it usually does not incapacitate someone immediately, and some people are still capable of doing damage after being pepper sprayed.

Maybe a tazer.  If it works right that will put anyone down too, but I'd feel more comfortable having the extra distance a bat gives, or if it's a projectile tazer you only get one shot.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21724587 - 05/26/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21724590 - 05/26/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I love how many different arguments have broken out in this thread.

Still waiting on OP...

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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21724601 - 05/26/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP is dead, oakland is rough.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21724602 - 05/26/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What's a Pub without an argument becoming a full on brawl with knives, pepper spray, tazers and clubs?


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: D.M.T] * 2
    #21724608 - 05/26/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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What's a Pub without an argument becoming a full on brawl with knives, pepper spray, tazers and clubs?



You forgot the racism and nationalism.


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Re: got beat up by a pimp in oakland [Re: moonrockmushy]
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