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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21729567 - 05/27/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If I go look around I'll see websites suggesting I have ADD
they're doing that to sell drugs
it isn't like a broken bone
so why does it matter if I have it or not?


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Konyap]
    #21729676 - 05/27/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ya man you can fake ADD and get a script. That's pretty much what I did and life is so much better but who knows maybe I have add.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21729875 - 05/27/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wrong wrong and wrong again. ADD is not a biological illness. It was NEVER shown to be connected to dopamine levels at all. Those who claim that help spreading the lies of big pharma. It's not a disease


It is a behavior. And there's a society which doesn't like this behavior because it's not productive in a capitalistic sense.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21729887 - 05/27/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
If I go look around I'll see websites suggesting I have ADD
they're doing that to sell drugs
it isn't like a broken bone
so why does it matter if I have it or not?



just because unscrupulous marketing and garbage is being thrown into the mix, doesn't effect the facts.

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
Wrong wrong and wrong again. ADD is not a biological illness. It was NEVER shown to be connected to dopamine levels at all. Those who claim that help spreading the lies of big pharma. It's not a disease


It is a behavior. And there's a society which doesn't like this behavior because it's not productive in a capitalistic sense.



it is a behavior, and can be seen as a very damaging one in this very capitalistic world.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21730068 - 05/27/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Most mental illnesses are bullshit.  Not to say people don't have neurological conditions, but psychologists aren't biologists.  They shouldn't be diagnosing anything either way.  Psychiatrists are even worse.  Neuropharmacologists are a much better option.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: fapjack]
    #21730090 - 05/27/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

there are lot of neurological conditions that simply aren't understood yet, or that might not have biological diagnoses.

you want help, you can get help. that's the point. the point isn't to ignore possible help for things you might be able to use help for, in order to say the common drivel you hear about "that's not real, see i didn't go to doctor!"

good for you.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21730115 - 05/27/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

there is scientific studies showing people with ADD/ADHD do not have lower or imbalanced levels of dopamine. They used to think it was a malfunction of dopamine release and that people with add/adhd did not release dopamine at proper times but that is some bullshit.

They found people with add/adhd have lower levels of grey matter or something in the brain though

The people saying amphetamines help everyone are correct. its makes boring stuff more interesting and rewarding to work on.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21730135 - 05/27/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'd rather see a doctor with a much more thorough understanding of the human nervous system than someone that spent most of their residency learning about human behaviour.  Going to see a priest might help with your mental issues as well, I still wouldn't advise people to do it.  Some people certainly need to see someone, I just think they should see someone that studies the brain rather than someone that studies the mind.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: fapjack]
    #21730140 - 05/27/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

and where is the doctor that'll help more? point it out.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21730235 - 05/27/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Neuropharmacologist or a neurologist.  Even then it won't really matter though, mental disorders aren't diagnosed with PET scans.  A lot of psych meds are extremely limited in their usefulness, and work better at making people manageable than actually helping them.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: fapjack]
    #21730283 - 05/27/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you say making people manageable... thousands of patients say "making life manageable". :shrug: you do not need "proof" to know when you have trouble concentrating. your point here is moot.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21730403 - 05/27/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:evildog: I have lyme disease. The more it spreads, the more people will get misdiagnosed with add. Then we can all class action lawsuit and rule the fucking world with 65 billion a piece.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: R0B0G3N3S1S]
    #21730458 - 05/27/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The adhd is your body/mind seeking information to learn from. The stimulants help your brain make well used routes while removing other "useless" connections. Essentially turning your brain into an underdeveloped adolt brain.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: R0B0G3N3S1S]
    #21730687 - 05/27/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: what??? where did you get that from?


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Everything]
    #21730696 - 05/27/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The Nothing told me... actually, It's just a hypothesis of mine. But you can test it, if you'd like.


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Edited by R0B0G3N3S1S (05/27/15 11:20 PM)


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: R0B0G3N3S1S]
    #21730704 - 05/27/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I kind of felt like the 4 years i was prescribed adderall/concerta/vyvanse that some of my childhood was taken away...but that was when i was 10-14 so obviously I'd feel that way being on drugs i never wanted to be on in the first place...But your whole theory on building connections and taking away ones that don't help makes no sense.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21730710 - 05/27/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Its a bandaid to a bigger problem.....


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: HolliDaze]
    #21730725 - 05/27/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dude i never felt like i had a problem, i felt like the problem was all the drugs.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Everything]
    #21730768 - 05/27/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

actually, it makes some sense, I can't remember what the process is called but it's basically the last step in brain developement ... I think it's like neuronal pruning or something along those lines. It is in my opinion that stimulants stunt growth and cause this to prematurely happen.

And now you have a problem because you no longer take the drugs.


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Edited by R0B0G3N3S1S (05/27/15 11:51 PM)


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: R0B0G3N3S1S]
    #21730781 - 05/27/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ohhhh i take drugs alright!

and i actually meant the problem was literally being on the drugs, they made me have a very one track mind..work work work!!!! playing lost its fun, talking to people wasn't that interesting etc... but yeah now i feel fine. I had some anxiety after quitting the meds but i definitely remember the pivotal point when i felt normal again.


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