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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21722561 - 05/25/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think set and setting should be taken into consideration as well.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21722569 - 05/25/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

and maybe the fact that people have different learning styles. I can't pay attention to shit if its spoken word, but if I can work up the attention span to read yes, if its a physical activity or lesson I have that shit down pronto


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Mescalean] * 2
    #21722594 - 05/25/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that what we call "ADHD" is mostly a societal problem, i.e. many genuinely intelligent and driven young people are not served by the cookie cutter methods of our education system without some form of remediation. ADHD diagnoses are the popular remediation in the U.S. because our anemic public-services funding makes our education system inflexible and impersonal. The diagnosis of ADHD puts the burden of dealing with these societal problems on the individual and their support network, and amphetamine is the cheapest and simplest form of remediation available to people who cannot afford specialized therapy or high-quality education tailored to their specific needs.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21722607 - 05/25/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They make it more rewarding to do shit you don't want to do.  ADHD/ADD doesn't make it hard to concentrate, it makes it hard to concentrate on things you don't want to concentrate on.  Watch anyone that is ADD/ADHD play video games or watch TV and try to distract them.  It isn't easy.  Its a bullshit diagnosis like most things psychologists do, especially considering brain scans are almost never performed as part of the diagnosis.  Giving kids amphetamines to solve their problems is a great example to set early on....


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21722620 - 05/25/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think set and setting should be taken into consideration as well.



Always.

This thread started out meh but the answers keep getting better. I'm tempted to give out +1s like Oprah


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21722640 - 05/25/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Amphetamines make you better at everything.

Except eating, and sleeping.




Not true. If you are under-rested or under-nourished, or under motivated for some other reason, they make you seem better at everything by making you less distracted by, for example, the need for food, sleep, or love and attention. This is why amphetamines are often useful in the short-term for military scenarios.





What do you mean? Amphs DO make you better at everything, save for sitting still, not chewing a hole in your cheek, or sleeping, and eating, other than those you'll preform better high on meth at basically everything..

If you're saying after 3 days of being awake meth won't help you preform better, which is what it sounds like you're saying,I'd say you're still wrong personally.

Being awake for three days sober, you'd probably preform worse than being awake for three days with stims.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21722670 - 05/25/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think you misunderstood. I was saying that amphetamines improve performance at a given, specific task where the user would otherwise be more concerned with obtaining rest, nourishment, or love and attention than with fulfilling that task. I would say the ADHD diagnosis could also be described as a deficit of attention on the part of the society, not the individual.

"Acting out" is one of the key elements of the ADHD diagnosis in children. Children act out to get attention. ADHD children act out to get attention because they are not getting enough of it. Give them speed and they stop acting out because they'll be more likely to fixate themselves with any given task than with satisfying their basic need for attention.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21722726 - 05/25/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have problems with adhd, like I seriously have it.  I had issues in school, and now with my job.  Sometimes I get so frustrated, everything I am looking at all rolls into one, I get confused and then start to have anxiety attacks, actually had a really gnarly anxiety attack the other day at work from my adhd.

Funny thing is if I listen to the grateful dead while doing my job, I am usually fine because it mellows me out, I tried listening to some EDM at work and it sped my brain up so much that I got outta synch with what I was doing.  I work with numbers a lot, which sucks because numbers are a weak point for me, I blow hard at math.

But I had symptoms as a young sprat, got tested and found out I had adhd, had to go to testing for it once a week for a month, so it was a legit test not just some doc saying "oh you like to move your feet, here eat this pill and chill"

Stimulants mellow me out big time.

Anyway, sorry OP I know this doesn't answer your question, but I just felt like sharing that.:shrug:


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Lucis]
    #21722736 - 05/25/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds like you have anxiety, not ADHD. Sorry to break it to ya.

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I tried listening to some EDM at work and it sped my brain up so much that I got outta synch with what I was doing




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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21722754 - 05/25/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I am a bit shot out, think I would be OK if I went back to smoking cigs, but I wont let that happen, my anxiety went through the roof when I quit almost a year ago.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Lucis]
    #21722773 - 05/25/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What I always thought was pretty crazy, is that at my teacher's request I was tested for this shit, basically I only did work in school and never at home, and they had a problem with that even though I would generally pass all my tests, and get things done sooner or later, just on their time not mine.

So they tested me, and there conclusion was that I don't have ADD, I am just easily distracted.  :wtf: It always puzzled me, overall I am glad because I was/am nervous enough without taking speed everyday, but how is that not ADD.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21722784 - 05/25/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not conforming to a poorly made system well does not mean you have ADD or ADHD. Doing things your way on your schedule is simply normal in my mind.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21722789 - 05/25/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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What I always thought was pretty crazy, is that at my teacher's request I was tested for this shit, basically I only did work in school and never at home, and they had a problem with that even though I would generally pass all my tests, and get things done sooner or later, just on their time not mine.

So they tested me, and there conclusion was that I don't have ADD, I am just easily distracted.  :wtf: It always puzzled me, overall I am glad because I was/am nervous enough without taking speed everyday, but how is that not ADD.





so you decided homework was bullshit too huh? they didnt like it when i did that either.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21722813 - 05/25/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not conforming to a poorly made system well does not mean you have ADD or ADHD. Doing things your way on your schedule is simply normal in my mind.




It is normal, but when your living situation does not accommodate that, you have ADHD.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21722824 - 05/25/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Could you elaborate? It could also mean that your living situation just doesn't accommodate you, in which case changes can always be made.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Konyap]
    #21722987 - 05/25/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yup. Nazi Germany was prescribing amphetamines to it's soldiers during WW2, now we're doing it for kids who annoy their parents.

ADD is bullshit. It's not a disease, it's a behavioral quirk that doesn't mesh well with society's cookie cutter assembly line.

Getting prescribed amphetamine as a kid is a death sentence for the creative mind.


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: ModestMouse]
    #21723239 - 05/26/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

but if they find medication helpful then how is it "bullshit" pubberinos?


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21723303 - 05/26/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

because if someone with a human side and a doctorate says it's a made up disease...


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Konyap]
    #21723313 - 05/26/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i have an add script everyone should have one no reason not to it improves your quality of life


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Re: How amphetamine helps with ADD [Re: Konyap]
    #21723489 - 05/26/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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because if someone with a human side and a doctorate says it's a made up disease...



whatever that person's reason is in saying it's "not a disease", has nothing to do with reality. it's ambiguous bullshit itself. it's NEVER BEEN A DISEASE.

it's not a disease, it's a disorder. it's something that people feel they are effected by, within certain criteria that can be assessed by a psychiatrist; so waht those people do is go to get help, and they have the criteria because of ACTUAL CASES, DAY IN DAY OUT, that people bring to the doctors THEMSELVES; the doctors don't just think it all up, they assess what people come to them for, and thus you have the DSM. because of recorded patient data, that PEOPLE GO TO THE DOCTOR FOR to find help.

there is your ACTUAL scenario.


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