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Void_Hawk
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: s240779]
#21727108 - 05/27/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I call BS on the whole "it is OK to steal from Wal*Mart", or the gov't, or whatever entity is sufficiently large or distant.
All they are really doing is driving up costs for other consumers, passing costs along to honest citizens or otherwise sucking up potential for societal benefit for themselves (ETA: this is broadly generalized but the point stands).
I am no fan of WalMart but I don't like the idea of someone feeling entitled to apply their own law unilaterally, right up to conviction, even meting out "punishment" as they see fit. This is what the BS rationalization that it is "OK to steal from WalMart" really is. Aside from flying in the face of foundational principles of most free nations (due process for example), such actions are also reaching directly into my pocket, because that is where the added costs are figured in.
Not all laws are just but some are no-brainers. "No stealing" is a necessary law for a functional civil society. The stealing apologists are not Robin Hoods, nor are they punishing what or who are ostensibly their targets. In reality, they are reaching into the pockets of all honest people, and even society at large - just as clearly as a junkie who steals your TV.
Edited by Void_Hawk (05/27/15 12:29 AM)
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musiclover420
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: Void_Hawk]
#21727535 - 05/27/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I highly doubt stealing from Wallmart is "driving up the costs for consumers"
Walmart is such a huge megacorporation becouse of how much they DRIVE DOWN COSTS, by cutting pay for workers everywhere they can and buying cheap crap en mass...
With places like that as I said earlier I think it is more just to steal from them to support them with your $$. That being said I don't ever steal, or shop at walmart.
Once every couple months I may go and buy a thing or two their but I always regret giving them any of my money
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basqueshaman
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Just like all behavior that is considered bad it honesty depends on motivation, if you can afford it and steal something that's a actual nescesity that's bad, if you have no alternative and it's something that you need like for example your kids are hungry and you have no money and you can't get help after trying I believe it's OK but only along those lines. I also don't believe in downloading illegal copies of art
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luvdemshrooms
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luvdemshrooms said: So you didn't stop stealing because you matured enough to know thieves are scumbags... you stopped because you might get caught.
The lack of morals is appalling.
Hmmm you must have never watched a movie about Jewel theives or Bank robbers and rooted for them to pull off the heist. 
Seen plenty of them yet I'm still able to distinguish between real life and the movies.
Can't you?
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So like Kramer you must think "all these big corporations just write things off" as if that cost never need be accounted for? That is simply ridiculous. Those costs don't just disappear and the added cost is passed on tot he consumer, that is how it works. To claim otherwise is tragically uninformed, or else willfully ignorant. But then, this was my point and such a response was expected.
It certainly offers a good example of how people can't be bothered with facts when seeking to rationalize their own scumbaggery, rather than admit the fact that they are really just trying to justify leeching off society.
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: Void_Hawk]
#21728108 - 05/27/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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How many of you all steal music and movies? Does this not apply?
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backyardmagic
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: plurfekt]
#21728416 - 05/27/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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backyardmagic said: why & have you?
Greatest thief I ever met, I was just in it for the thrills/kleptomania, was on a lot benzos at the time.. for some reason got sticky fingers on that shit really bad, and had poor impulse control when I was young. Would steal in front of Walmart employees just to raise my heart rate with pockets full of cash, I guess I just wanted to feel something like most kids, just went about it a little different.
Now, I have stolen in times of great desperation, to survive. I'd like to think all the bad shit that has happened to me since is due to things of that nature.
Yea, man who dished out a lot of pain believes in karma, and that is no coincidence.
I can't remember the last time I stole, don't want too...
Here is one for you; it's low, low to the floor..
But if you're gonna do the wrong thing, do it the right way
I loved getting absolutely everything I wanted for free.. Its like leaving a winner everytime
Do I feel bad hell no idc hahaha I mean I'd never take from an individual person friend or family
IVE STOPPED!
IM A GOOD BOY NOW lol because its soo bad morally or whatev -_-
I rlly put the habit behind me cuz itl risk the career I'm studying towards & cuz society says its bad..
But doing illegal things are bad too right to all u growers and weed smokers u can't possibly shame anything if ur doing illegal acts.. Stop picking/choosing
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: Void_Hawk]
#21728495 - 05/27/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Void_Hawk said: So like Kramer you must think "all these big corporations just write things off" as if that cost never need be accounted for? That is simply ridiculous. Those costs don't just disappear and the added cost is passed on tot he consumer, that is how it works. To claim otherwise is tragically uninformed, or else willfully ignorant. But then, this was my point and such a response was expected.
It certainly offers a good example of how people can't be bothered with facts when seeking to rationalize their own scumbaggery, rather than admit the fact that they are really just trying to justify leeching off society.
Corporations will never be on your side even if all stealing stopped you really think they'd drop the product loss% taxed onto each purchase?? Definetly not they know there consumers are comfortable with these prices.
The percent going towards loss product doesn't fluctuate its more stable
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ManianFH
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I steal hearts and hugs
Seriously when I see two people going to hug one another I'll sneak inbetween them both and steal the hug. It has ended up in physical altercations a few times. This one bitch took it way to seriously and called the cops but fuck her it's not illegal to steal hugs, there's no law against that. The police didn't even show up and after 15 minutes of arguing she finally left, then I hugged her friend who was still hanging out. 2fer.
Jk, I don't do any of those things
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passifloracaerulea said: How many of you all steal music and movies? Does this not apply?
That isn't theft. For there to be theft there must be something lost. If you go to the store and steal a physical copy of a movie its different, but downloading a movie isn't the same as stealing.
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I don't think knicking cupcakes from the corner-shop amounts to a crime but to strip people naked of their very few ounces of dignity is theft and thus, probably bad.
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: ManianFH]
#21728525 - 05/27/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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fapjack said:
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passifloracaerulea said: How many of you all steal music and movies? Does this not apply?
That isn't theft. For there to be theft there must be something lost. If you go to the store and steal a physical copy of a movie its different, but downloading a movie isn't the same as stealing.
The theft is in the lost revenue for the company due to a copy being made without their consent that would otherwise have been purchased, if not by you, the downloader, then by whoever gets a chance at your downloaded copy, who might have otherwise purchased it.
Just calling a spade a spade; it's a gray area, and we all have our justifications but ummm yeah that's a form of theft
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: ManianFH]
#21728558 - 05/27/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont know about Wal-Mart, but several members of my family work at Sam's Club which is owned by the same corporation. Now when they sell better memberships to people, that money goes into a fund. This money is given to the employees as a bonus. When thieves steal from them, the money comes out of their bonus. So they are stealing from the workers not the corporation. So next time you think you are stealing from a faceless corporation, you aren't. It could an example like i gave. Or it is being passed on to the consumer through higher pricing.
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Re: Is stealing bad? [Re: fapjack]
#21728572 - 05/27/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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passifloracaerulea said: How many of you all steal music and movies? Does this not apply?
That isn't theft. For there to be theft there must be something lost. If you go to the store and steal a physical copy of a movie its different, but downloading a movie isn't the same as stealing.
So says thieves.
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abltsandwich
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I've stolen many things. I'm not sorry, I'll probably steal again. The last thing I stole was dental floss from the grocery store.
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r00tuuu123
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stratocast said: I dont know about Wal-Mart, but several members of my family work at Sam's Club which is owned by the same corporation. Now when they sell better memberships to people, that money goes into a fund. This money is given to the employees as a bonus.
link please.
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stratocast said: Or it is being passed on to the consumer through higher pricing.
And still they take tax write offs for the losses.
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