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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21721434 - 05/25/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool. I'll give it a try when I get back from vacation.
If I can talk my wife into relaxing a bit I'll post some grow pics.
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Looks like a good start, Thanks for the post.
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21967597 - 07/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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About to try out a 30qt hefty mini monotub.
I had a couple questions:
I was planning on using a two top narrow side intakes, two bot long side drains. It seems to me it would be beneficial to stagger the two drain holes, say 1/3 width inset on either side, to create a more even distance to drain distribution over the surface of the substrate. It also has the added that I can easily add the extra two holes if I choose.
Overall I'm curious if you feel the drain hole placement matters at all, and why double long side drains seem to be more common than one drain on each side.
It will be interesting to compare the results to my Doc_T msg minitub.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Pastywhyte
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Not sure what a drain hole is but if you reread the OP you will see the single lower hole as opposed to two helps with RH when the sub is uncased Two holes works good but casing is gonna help dial it in better.
Here is a two hole cased

Single hole uncased

The reason you see two on most 66 quart tubs is because the tub and sub are larger and need more FAE. The larger sub provides more humidity as well. So its easy to dial in with two even tho its not cased.
Doc Ts tub is fine if you like misting a dozen times a day. I tried it, hated it, came up with my own
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21968179 - 07/19/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Drains as in CO2 drain, lower holes.
My question was more about bottom hole arrangement. I get that 4 lower holes increases the FAE.
Do you think lower hole positioning matters much?
Do you know why, when four lower holes are used, it's usually two on two sides, rather than one on each side?
I'm planning on starting with a two bottom hole configuration with staggered bottom holes:
ie
__x_______ __x___x__
_______x__ __x___x__ which can be easily modified to
as opposed to the design you used
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It seems to me that mathematically, any given point in the tub will have a more similar average distance to the hole, rather than having heavy coverage of the center and weak coverage of the sides. I'm not sure that matters though.
I always use a casing cause I read "pfft, you don't need a casing" too many times and it triggered my antagonistic behavior. Now I have a giant bale of peat moss and there's no turning back. Is the four bottom hole preferable in your opinion, when cased?
As for the Doc_T tubs, I'm just entering my first run that wasn't screwed over by legacy crap spawn. Seems to be staying moist enough with 2 mistings a day in 90F heat. ~50RH where I live though.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/19/15 11:39 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Well for a tub this small you don't really need 4 bottom holes. 2 is enough for cubes. This is because the sub and tub are half the size or smaller. I use the 4 bottom hole configuration for APE, PE and exotics which do better with a good FAE boost. I would say that if you're already casing regularly then just go for the four hole configuration. It won't hurt a thing if you're casing and will be a bonus later.
Weak coverage on the sides is a non issue with the center holes. Its because the tub is small and gases in it do not section themselves off. The heat from the sub and exchange of air means that at most there might be a slight gradient but nothing you won't find in a standard 66 quart mono. In fact compared to a 66 quart mono the distance between the two bottom holes is greater or the same than the distance from the mini mono center holes to the edges.
Also I know a lot of people suggest that the bottom holes act as an exhaust. But they are wrong. The gases are exchanging in and out from all the holes. We stuff the bottom ones tight to keep the sub from drying out, but by no means is the CO2 draining out of them and them alone.
Edited by Pastywhyte (07/20/15 12:09 AM)
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21968288 - 07/20/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool. Sounds like the placement doesn't really matter much since CO2 is diffusing quickly enough that hole proximity doesn't really matter, unless someone does dumb shit like 4 holes next to each other on one side. Kinda figured.
I'll definitely keep an open mind about the monotub flow dynamics. If CO2 only drained from the bottom, it did occur to me that the stuffing of the top holes, or indeed the top holes themselves, probably wouldn't be necessary, as enough air to replace the trickle of CO2 could most likely be easily drawn in through the lid gap.
P.S. I only have a 1 5/8th" holesaw, so I'll probably start with 2 bottom holes. I don't expect to be building enough monos to make investing in a different saw worthwhile. Greenhouse incoming
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/20/15 12:20 AM)
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paperbackwriter
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One of my 6qt dub tubs, using a variation of Pasty's hybrid hole config.

Same set up, different tub.

I'm going to case the next ones I run to get a more even pinset but otherwise I'm quite liking these tubs
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Machiavelliavore said: Cool. Sounds like the placement doesn't really matter much since CO2 is diffusing quickly enough that hole proximity doesn't really matter, unless someone does dumb shit like 4 holes next to each other on one side. Kinda figured.
I'll definitely keep an open mind about the monotub flow dynamics. If CO2 only drained from the bottom, it did occur to me that the stuffing of the top holes, or indeed the top holes themselves, probably wouldn't be necessary, as enough air to replace the trickle of CO2 could most likely be easily drawn in through the lid gap.
P.S. I only have a 1 5/8th" holesaw, so I'll probably start with 2 bottom holes. I don't expect to be building enough monos to make investing in a different saw worthwhile. Greenhouse incoming 
You don't need a hole saw. I've made dozens of tubs and I don't own a hole saw. A cheap butterfly dill bit works just fine. Or you can heat up a piece of metal pipe with a torch and melt your holes.
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: MudaFuka]
#21983054 - 07/23/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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6 Koh Samui Super Strain cakes cheese grated to cvg in a 20qt tote! Wish me luck! Thanks for the idea Pasty, from what I've read about KSSS, this is probably a better idea than cakes.
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WindWisperer said: 6 Koh Samui Super Strain cakes cheese grated to cvg in a 20qt tote! Wish me luck! Thanks for the idea Pasty, from what I've read about KSSS, this is probably a better idea than cakes.

super spawning is alright, and it has its purpose...
but a cake is always best fruited as a cake.
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Munchauzen]
#21987432 - 07/23/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't really consider spawning cakes the same as super spawning.
Spawn = high nutrition substrate.
Bulk sub = low to no nutrition substrate.
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21990587 - 07/24/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pinset coming in on a doc_t style shotgun minitub, misted twice daily. I've never seen this quantity of pins before, it seems like every one of those primordia is transitioning. Redboy UFC isolate, first use. Expecting a very high abort rate.
3.5 qt cvg with 2 volumetric quarts of rice spawn. Tub is about 27 quart showoff.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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This was a 27 quart shotgun style tub. MS, 4" sub, very few aborts.
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Pastywhyte
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Nicely done
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21991317 - 07/24/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Nicely done

Oh that was last summer, but thanks I'm experimenting with 6 qt dub tubs now inspired by some of your designs in this thread. I haven't quite dialed them in yet but I really like not having to mist and fan everyday.
I just wanted to give Machiavelliavore some hope that that pinset may hold out
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Well, gonna harvest in a few hours probably. Not a single abort that I can see, but these things are midgets, most of them are around 1.25-1.5"
I'm wondering if I just ran out of water. I sort of thought the spawn was shit when I tried it, so 2 volemtric quarts were spawned to around 3-3.5qts cvg. I could easily see that pinset with no aborts flushing out the entire nutritional capacity of the sub. Could be genetics though. Definitely dunking it after harvest.
I'm uncertain if I have a monoculture since all my culturing at that time was done on grain petris.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Nice pinset though! Even though they are little, it's an impressive spread! Post back letting us know how the harvest was.
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So looking forward to picking peat and fine verm off hundreds of minishrooms... If this culture will grow bigger mushrooms when provided with more water, it's gonna be a serious winner (assuming it's not duds.)
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
Edited by Machiavelliavore (07/27/15 12:10 AM)
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Re: Pasty likes mini mono's [Re: Munchauzen]
#22002479 - 07/27/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've got 3 grain jars inoculated with the same KSSS about 6 days away from being 100%. I'm going to do another 20qt mini mono with grains and do a direct comparison to see if there is any difference between spawning cakes, and grains.
Edited by WindWisperer (07/27/15 12:10 AM)
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