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2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good
#21720086 - 05/25/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So my first ever experience on shrooms was amazing. Apart from 1 paticipator having a bad trip which bought me down sometimes. But overall......well happy.
My 2nd experience was last week and didn't go do well.
Like previous time I LemTek'd 5gs of dry shrooms. Me and 1 other done 5g and another dude done 3g.
We went over to a lake near mine as we started feeling the effects. As we come up it was amazing. The colours, the sounds, everything was really nice. All 3 of us were really enjoying it. I threw up, like I did the first time, and carried on laying on the grass and taking in the pulsating beautiful colours of the trees, bushes, lake, clouds, sky etc.
The other guy that took 5g saw that I was fine after I threw up so he went to try it too cause he could feel it wanted to come up. He was having trouble throwing up. 5 mins of gagging and making noises, he couldn't bring anything up. He decided he needed to go back to the house, have some water and put on his headphones and chill out to ride the trip.
Me and the other guy didnt want to leave the lake but with me being the host, I decided to go back cause of how my mate was feeling. I didn't want him to go psycho out in public.
We managed to stumble our way back home which seemed like it took hours to get there. Mate had a glass of water and I took him upstairs to the spare room to have a lie down.
Being back at the house indoors bought my high down a bit. All I wanted to do now was have a smoke and watch a film. Had a smoke with my other mate, Sat down in front of tv and every 10 mins, the other dude kept coming down and saying 'help me, I'm not doing too good at all'. He would go in the kitchen, fill up his pint glass with water, and go back upstairs. He would do this every 10-15 mins.
I couldn't enjoy myself at all or relax or ride the trip the way I wanted, with him coming down every 10 mins. I decided I wanted to be on my own. So I went to my room with headphones and tried going to sleep.
Now I was upstairs, I realised that before my mate was coming downstairs to fill his pint glass up, he was still trying to throw up in the bathroom. Demonic noises was coming out of his throat as he was trying to throw up and the noise was echoing through the whole house. I really didn't like what I was hearing.
I turned the music up in my ears and tried relaxing to fall asleep. I was really worried about leaving him running free in my house in case something happened and there was also the worry of my girlfriend coming home from work later on in the day and us still in a bad trip (she still didnt know at this point that I was doing shrooms). I was now in a bad place. All these horrible thoughts were going through my head. I tried turning on my other side to try and get rid of the thoughts but no good. I then told myself that the thoughts are only there cause I got my eyes shut. So I opened my eyes. And every time I opened my eyes, the music would drown out and I could hear my mate trying to throw up and walking around. So I decided to shut my eyes again. Then it would get to a point where what I was imagining with my eyes shut, felt like it was all real. My eyes didn't feel like they were shut. I must have touched my eye kids about a dozen times to make me believe they were shut and it was just all in my head. It was horrible.
At one point I was going to post a thread on here asking you guys for help. What to do to make it easier. But no matter how much I wanted to, I couldn't move apart from rolling from side to side to try and get these thoughts away.
Then I started telling myself that it's just a trip and it will be over soon. And remembering reading a few reports on here that have gone bad and comments saying it will be over soon, it's just a bad trip. This was quite calming. Definitely helped the fact I knew it would end.
I have got flowers on my wallpaper in the room and when my eyes were open, I would stare at the flowers, and the more I could hear my mate in the hallway and the noises outside the house, the darker the flowers would get. As the flowers were getting lighter, the noises started fading out and I felt my eyes shut. It was really spooky.
Then just like that, I opened my eyes, there was no more pulsating from things I was looking at, there was no noises outside or in the hallway, and I have never felt so happy in my life. Words can't describe how happy I felt. I started crying with joy. Tensing my whole body up and having the biggest smile possible on my face. I was out of the trip. I couldn't believe how much of a quick time it was from me being in the trip to me being out. There was no fading out, no signs, nothing. Just popped out of it like I jumped out of a box.
Part of me wants to have a bad feeling trip like that again, just so I can experience the amazing feeling I felt when I was out of it.
My other mate that wanted to stay outside from the begining, also felt really really happy when he came out of it. Whereas the other dude who had the bad one from the start, didn't remember a thing. And still doesn't to today.
I think I had a bad trip cause of the pressure of it being in my house while someone is on a bad trip, and the face the girlfriend didn't know I am trying shrooms and she was going to be coming home at some point.
THIS HAS DEFINITELY NOT PUT ME OFF DOING SHROOMS.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21720470 - 05/25/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those gagging sounds can be horrible while tripping. Most likely because everyone's mind instinctively relates that to being "sick". Which is ultimately amplified because your senses and rational thought are completely screwed.
Great report...try toning it down a little next time. 1.7 to 2.5 are very strong trips with tea.
Started screwing around with different recipes awhile back and completely blew one of my friends away with 4g. Only to be left in the fetal position for hours. Visuals hugely exceeding happy fun time tripping cheers
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58] 1
#21721370 - 05/25/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most definitely. Proper echoed through the house. Was not nice at all.
As for making a tea with them......I didn't want to use this method in case I messed it up and wasted the shrooms. At least with LemTek it's easy to prepare and consume. With the tea I wouldn't know how much water to use, how long to boil them for, how small or large a pieces to put in the pot, gas hobs could be different boiling times than electric hobs etc.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21722485 - 05/25/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilo is fully soluble in water. A real easy description would be, use as much water as u feel like drinking.
PUt water in pot. Squeeze lemon juice in or use store bought. One ounce store bought would probly be fine or 1 or two lemons squeezed. crumble shroom with hands into pot Bring temp up to 170f or 75c for 30 min add tea bag last five min strain with cheese cloth...I like to use a permanent coffee filter...used a French press before too add sugar drink very simple
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21722842 - 05/25/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Right ok. So 1 or 2 full lemons yeah?
And as for the straining part, the only thing I have for straining stuff is a colinder or a sieve. I take it this part of the method is just to seperate the bits of mushrooms from the water right?
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21723604 - 05/26/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Id do one if it were me unless I was making a lot.
THe idea is to use the lemon to aid in the extraction with its citric acid. It lowers the ph and also bonds with psilo. THus creating a more efficient extraction. Heat will make everything more soluble and speed up the process.
The sieve would work better if that's all you got and the tea should actually taste pretty good when you get done. Add sugar,honey, or artificial sweetener to taste.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21723929 - 05/26/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool. I got 5g of dry shrooms left from last week so I'll probably try this very soon so I can compare methods. I won't brew all 5g though. If you say 2.5 is a nice trip from tea then I'll use half of what I got.
Be good to compare half the dose to what I've done before but using a different method. So you reckon 2.5g in a tea will be a close comparrison to a 5g LemTek?
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21724162 - 05/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well 5g and 2.5 are different doses. But the potency of the tea will not be different since the goodies are water soluble.
Here's a substitution for lemon juice(grocerystore or online) . THis is all I ever use now. 1 teaspoon per quart or 1/2 teaspoon for 500 ml. Makes it easy and you don't have to use all that lemon juice. Also reverses any bluing action....look at journal in my sig for full experiments
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21725113 - 05/26/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im glad you said half teaspoon for 500ml cause I don't know what a quart is. Lol. And thanks for the tip mate. I'm not too keen on Lemon juice which is why I done my LemTek with orange juice.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21725439 - 05/26/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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YOur welcome
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21743415 - 05/31/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done this with amanita's thrown in the mix too. The lemon tek fucking works. I was so fucked up I had to crawl away from the camp fire and puke in the middle of the desert at night and then lay there. We heard havalinas earlier before. It was crazy!
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21764613 - 06/05/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I done 2 lemteks now and they are proper ways to experience it. Proper intense and straight to the point. On Wednesday I am trying a Tea so I can compare the 2 methods. I'll be doing it on my own with the misses there. She's anti all of this so I'm hoping for a nice mellow experience so it won't put her off me doing them again. Lol.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21764627 - 06/05/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I cannot stand lemontek really, and it didn't work good for me any of the times , tried 3 times
Orange Juice worked much better, but that has side effect too - gut rot... you think its eating you from inside, mycellium satan spawn :-P
Is not fun either...
chocolates are most enjoyable, unless you just like intense trips/trips from hell, orange juice can give hell trips easily with 42g - there's a dose where it happens each time
a really unpleasant dose, think it was 42g fresh + OJ :-)
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
#21764634 - 06/05/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont look in the mirror on that...
dont look at your hands on that..
dont even try to sing on that.. it wont be your voice
I don't like those trips, unless I want to get mindfucked to hell and back again haven't had a good orange juice trip ever, tried maybe 3-4 times
it makes it surprising unpleasant suddenly often it seems
chocolates are always a good trip for me, very spiritual often, and I only need 3g for an intense trip with them (where I need 3.5-4g with eating them normal), chocolates intensify
you could say, if you just want to get fuckedup (trip with friends), then lemontek/orange juice is a good way - also lasts shorter but if you want a pleasant alone trip, then eating them normally is best/chocolates it seems
eating them fresh can also give gut rot everytime it seems, avoid that can be fun and nice to eat fresh _sometimes_
but for a pleasant deep trip, i would never eat fresh i think, it has taught me each time how unpleasant fresh can be, and same with orange juice
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21764658 - 06/05/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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preschooler said: Psilo is fully soluble in water. A real easy description would be, use as much water as u feel like drinking.
PUt water in pot. Squeeze lemon juice in or use store bought. One ounce store bought would probly be fine or 1 or two lemons squeezed. crumble shroom with hands into pot Bring temp up to 170f or 75c for 30 min add tea bag last five min strain with cheese cloth...I like to use a permanent coffee filter...used a French press before too add sugar drink very simple
seems a better way maybe, I always used 100% lemon, and the taste is awful to me, feel like puking after it taste stays in my mouth..
as bad as eating powder with water almost...
gotta try it soon :-) , I always wondered how shroom tea must be, as shrooms/psilocybin are very soluble in water...
I also like tea a lot sometimes
but my favorite by far is chocolates, nothing even comes close to that for me
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNizdyx-DE there's some trance in return, anyone who likes trance will love that track, awesomeness from start to end, gotta try it next time I shroom
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
#21766115 - 06/05/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was never a big fan of tea, not as easy to dose and completely unnecessary/ messy if you can just eat the mushrooms by themselves. You can always put dried mushrooms in a small coffee grinder blend them to powder and make a lemon tek that way, mix them in a shot glass of lemon juice/water.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
#21766997 - 06/05/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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YOu can bypass lemon and all that crap if you just use that ball fruit fresh(pic)I posted earlier. It will extract every single bit of goodies in there in 30 min flat with one tsp to a quart or less.
Use the same method just use that instead of lemons or lemon juice. Ingredients are citric, ascorbic and an anti caking something or another. All ingredients one would easily find in store bought tea.
All that acid is unnecessary. The ball will bring it down to like ph4 and stabilize.
The tea actually taste like normal tea lol
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21767258 - 06/05/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The lemon tek doesn't extract anything from the mushrooms... It's about the mushrooms being present in a highly acidic solution with ingestion, which in turn causes the psilocybin to convert to psilocin much more rapidly. A tea is going to be the same thing as eating them.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21768749 - 06/06/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate the lemon tek. The taste alone makes me want to gag, and I never have stomach probs with shrooms. I did notice a faster cone up, but it's not worth it IME. Good report!
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21769039 - 06/06/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: The lemon tek doesn't extract anything from the mushrooms... It's about the mushrooms being present in a highly acidic solution with ingestion, which in turn causes the psilocybin to convert to psilocin much more rapidly. A tea is going to be the same thing as eating them.
Dry shrooms would likely have to hydrate in your stomach and also then be extracted by the gut and intestinal tract. That's why tea or the lemon tek would work so much faster. The citric acid along with water starts extracting and hydrating before consumption.
And It WILL be much more potent than just eating them. Because the onset is so much faster and the psilo is hitting the system all at once instead of gradually.Resulting in a very visual experience.
If the tea/water is prepared correctly it could have way more intense effects than just eating them.
"lemon tek" Step outside the "tek" for a moment.
1. psilocybin is soluble in water
2. Acid will aid in any extraction of plant/fungal material
3. What you are consuming is liquid psilocybin citrate because the enzymes exist in your body not in the liquid.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21769149 - 06/06/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so it actualy binds with the citric acid? and not just helps the extraction into the water? so it creates a new compound altogether and this compound is more easily absorbed over just say psilocybin and water?
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: mustangbob3]
#21769225 - 06/06/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes depending on what acid you use it does form a "salt" and helps make everything more soluble. The whole tea/extraction process is going to make it immediately more available to the body. Hence the fast come up.
Not sayin just eating them is not going to produce a worthwhile experience. But dumping all of it once will produce more intense visuals.
My whole goal in this convo is to make people aware that its not necessary to over do the acid. A small portion of vit c(ascorbic) and citric can be used.
Squeezed lemon juice is a ph 2 and oj runs anywhere from 3-4. This extract/tea can be done at a ph of 4-5 with a temp of 170f for 30 min.
THis along with the removal of the solids will help make the consumption way more enjoyable.
If your stomach is in knots or you getting acid reflux the come up and trip can be severely altered. Because the brain is getting messages that something is wrong and what does psilo do? Fuckin amplifies everything
Another tip....>>>>use distilled water<<<
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
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and would the ascorbic help save from some oxidation?
or would it be too small of a gain to notice a difference? im not sure as with a raise in temps you up the rate of oxidation but up to what rate in the temps we are talking.
will the ascorbic acid in water be enough to counter balance this? sorry for all the Qs.
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#21769401 - 06/06/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's exactly right about the ascorbic...it actually reverses the oxidation and the bluing. The oxidation/enzyme can be restarted with the removal of ascorbic.
Ive done experiments where I took a fresh mushroom and pinched it, turning it blue. But then soaked in ascorbic turning it back to its normal color. Then removed it and turned it back blue. So the enzymes are not permanently altered by the addition of ascorbic...just stabilized.
170f or 76c are my high temps for extracts
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21769514 - 06/06/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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will certainly try it! makes good sense!
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21769847 - 06/06/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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preschooler said: YOu can bypass lemon and all that crap if you just use that ball fruit fresh(pic)I posted earlier. It will extract every single bit of goodies in there in 30 min flat with one tsp to a quart or less.
Use the same method just use that instead of lemons or lemon juice. Ingredients are citric, ascorbic and an anti caking something or another. All ingredients one would easily find in store bought tea.
All that acid is unnecessary. The ball will bring it down to like ph4 and stabilize.
The tea actually taste like normal tea lol
So how is the comeup?
You still get that unpleasant body feeling of normal chewing them?
My head feels funny.. etc ;-) Shit this is intense and unpleasant
and then suddenly at 60mins, its smooth and enjoyable
No nausea at all? All methods I've tried, except Chocolates and Red Wine tek give nausea - and lemontek gives me the most nausea of all - together with OJ
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#21770778 - 06/06/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks guys Some really really interesting info there. The last 2 times have been intense trips and not very relaxed, which I don't mind anyway, but the next one I'm doing next week I dont want to be as intense. The misses will be there so need it to be an easily controlled mellow trip but still nice. Which is why I am trying brewing.
Lessismore......I'm a big fan of chocolate. So I'm very interested in knowing how to prepare them with chocolate. If you wouldn't mind sharing this with us.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
#21771072 - 06/06/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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preschooler said: YOu can bypass lemon and all that crap if you just use that ball fruit fresh(pic)I posted earlier. It will extract every single bit of goodies in there in 30 min flat with one tsp to a quart or less.
Use the same method just use that instead of lemons or lemon juice. Ingredients are citric, ascorbic and an anti caking something or another. All ingredients one would easily find in store bought tea.
All that acid is unnecessary. The ball will bring it down to like ph4 and stabilize.
The tea actually taste like normal tea lol
So how is the comeup?
You still get that unpleasant body feeling of normal chewing them?
My head feels funny.. etc ;-) Shit this is intense and unpleasant
and then suddenly at 60mins, its smooth and enjoyable
No nausea at all? All methods I've tried, except Chocolates and Red Wine tek give nausea - and lemontek gives me the most nausea of all - together with OJ
I personally get a lot of anxiety coming up and feelings of "why the fuck" did I just do that lol. But then it turns into a decent ride after 45-50 min. But no real nausea/discomfort or anything.
I agree chocolates are pretty good as long as you don't over do the chocolate.
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#21782397 - 06/09/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well its shroom day again tomorrow. Well looking forward to comparing tea with LemTek. Will try to report it on Thursday guys.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21795426 - 06/11/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh man i hate when friends buzzkill during trips...
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#21795433 - 06/11/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin more rapidly then taken with out something highly acidic. Psilocybin is not active as it's self it has to be converted into psilocin before it can cross the blood brain barrier. This is why this rapid conversion to psilocin produces a stronger effect. You're getting more of the drug faster.
You're body will convert to psilocin all on it's own with out lemon juice but the lemon juice acts as a catalyst, which is why the conversion happens at a more accelerated rate then under normal conditions.
Nothing is extracted, nothing is hydrated. Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug.
If you don't believe me look up the pharmodynamics of psilocybin.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: I was never a big fan of tea, not as easy to dose and completely unnecessary/ messy if you can just eat the mushrooms by themselves. You can always put dried mushrooms in a small coffee grinder blend them to powder and make a lemon tek that way, mix them in a shot glass of lemon juice/water.
This.
By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.
As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.
It makes the bad trip totally worth it 
shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21805446 - 06/14/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin more rapidly then taken with out something highly acidic. Psilocybin is not active as it's self it has to be converted into psilocin before it can cross the blood brain barrier. This is why this rapid conversion to psilocin produces a stronger effect. You're getting more of the drug faster.
You're body will convert to psilocin all on it's own with out lemon juice but the lemon juice acts as a catalyst, which is why the conversion happens at a more accelerated rate then under normal conditions.
Nothing is extracted, nothing is hydrated. Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug.
If you don't believe me look up the pharmodynamics of psilocybin.
Got to pick you apart on this man
"The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin" This is an incorrect statement. Dephosphorylation of 4podmt>>4ho dmt requires and enzyme located in the body to convert. Most likely the reason psilocybin will stabilize in liquid for quite some time. Its creating psilocybin citrate which is more soluble in water imo and creates and ideal platform for which the drug is administered. Moved over to liquid the body converts and accepts it much quicker as if you were taking a purified drug.
Much like a shot of alcohol would hit you
"Nothing is extracted" this is incorrect. The minute its in the liquid and degrading the fungal tissue and cells its being released into the water... and yes its hydrating the tissue as well.
"Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug." YOur speaking plant/fungi material not purified drugs. Think about what your stating here.
I think vit c(ascorbic acid) plays a huge role in making everything more water soluble as well.
53 mg in an average lemon and around the same in an orange. SO orange/lemon juice would have ton in it.
wiki says heroin users use it too...makes it more water soluble for injections
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21806715 - 06/14/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said:
This.
By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.
As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.
It makes the bad trip totally worth it 
shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.
Hmmm maybe next time I'll use a shot glass. Both times I've done this method I have had about half a pint of juice and shrooms to drink. Proper made me gag. So how many grams of shrooms can you powder up into a shot glass? Surely not a lot. And if I haven't got a coffee blender, how else can I powder them up? I got a grinder but I don't think that'll get them as fine as powder.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21806747 - 06/14/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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scorps1212 said:
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LogicaL Chaos said:
This.
By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.
As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.
It makes the bad trip totally worth it 
shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.
Hmmm maybe next time I'll use a shot glass. Both times I've done this method I have had about half a pint of juice and shrooms to drink. Proper made me gag. So how many grams of shrooms can you powder up into a shot glass? Surely not a lot. And if I haven't got a coffee blender, how else can I powder them up? I got a grinder but I don't think that'll get them as fine as powder.
You can also trip intensely with just the dust mixed in water
It is the powder surface area that helps absorption quickly too, it will work stronger than eating shrooms normally
Shroom chocolate water
In fact it may work so strong it would kick your ass with 2.5g likely, I would be careful drinking powdered shrooms.
I would start with 1.5g then redose , even though I normally take 3.5-4.5g
The only downside to powering shrooms in any form (pills,lemontek,water drinking) is shorter trip, trip only lasts like 4 hours sometimes.. half of normal
And that is a big downside.... - Not fun really for me, but can be fun to see Just how intense visuals you can get, can get very intensely visual, whole room bends away with 1.8g + red wine for me
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
#21806761 - 06/14/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right ok. So would doing it in a weed grinder be ok? Better than a kitchen blender like I used both times. Lol.
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
#21807160 - 06/14/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I forgot to mention, when i shot glass my lemontek, i do a little at a time. So, i take a big pinch of powdered shrooms from my baggie, put it in myshot glass, add some juice, wait a few minutes, then shoot it back. I wait between shots because its still unpleasant to shoot it.
Its not a true lemon tek, since i dont wait 20+mins, but its effect is pretty similar.
I find it easier this way than a tall glaass
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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21809888 - 06/15/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah right ok. I was wandering how you'd fit it all in a shot glass with juice as well. Lol.
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Free mushroom chocolate recipe [Re: scorps1212]
#21810089 - 06/15/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153
Thought I would 'spam' a mushroom chocolate recipe here People would probably like to try a few methods and find the one they like the most
You will not be disappointed with chocolates, best method I've tried, and very easy to prepare too, only needs an icecube tray
Some like shroom tea, some like chocolates, powder, capsules, lemontek, orange juice etc.
Or maybe more than one method of consumption..
Chocolates are just a step above the others I think, it's like a pure LSD trip each time, so much love, gotta try it to know
No taste, no nausea, no gutrot , you won't even know you've eaten anything even if you eat 5g..
Someone sent me the recipe maybe 4-5 years ago, and it's still the best method I've tried by far, and I've tried all methods - also eating them fresh
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Re: Free mushroom chocolate recipe [Re: lessismore]
#21823044 - 06/18/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome bud. Nice one. I'll check it out and maybe give it a go next time.
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Re: Free mushroom chocolate recipe [Re: scorps1212]
#21823099 - 06/18/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really helpful post. Cheers mate. One question though.......when you say add the powder, I take it you mean add the powdered shrooms into the melted chocolate, before pouring into ice cube tray???
So......powder up the shrooms, melt the chocolate, mix the powdered shrooms with the melted chocolate using a fork, pour into ice cube tray, place in freezer for 5 mins, then enjoy.
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