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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21769149 - 06/06/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so it actualy binds with the citric acid?
and not just helps the extraction into the water?
so it creates a new compound altogether and this compound is more easily absorbed over just say psilocybin and water?

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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21769225 - 06/06/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes depending on what acid you use it does form a "salt" and helps make everything more soluble. The whole tea/extraction process is going to make it immediately more available to the body. Hence the fast come up.

Not sayin just eating them is not going to produce a worthwhile experience. But dumping all of it once will produce more intense visuals.

My whole goal in this convo is to make people aware that its not necessary to over do the acid. A small portion of vit c(ascorbic) and citric can be used.

Squeezed lemon juice is a ph 2 and oj runs anywhere from 3-4. This extract/tea can be done at a ph of 4-5 with a temp of 170f for 30 min.

THis along with the removal of the solids will help make the consumption way more enjoyable.:wink:

If your stomach is in knots or you getting acid reflux the come up and trip can be severely altered. Because the brain is getting messages that something is wrong and what does psilo do? Fuckin amplifies everything:lol:

Another tip....>>>>use distilled water<<<


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21769244 - 06/06/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

and would the ascorbic help save from some  oxidation?

or would it be too small of a gain to notice a difference?
im not sure as with a raise in temps you up the rate of oxidation but up to what rate in the temps we are talking.:smile:

will the ascorbic acid in water be enough to counter balance this?
sorry for all the Qs.

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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #21769401 - 06/06/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's exactly right about the ascorbic...it actually reverses the oxidation and the bluing. The oxidation/enzyme can be restarted with the removal of ascorbic.

Ive done experiments where I took a fresh mushroom and pinched it, turning it blue. But then soaked in ascorbic turning it back to its normal color. Then removed it and turned it back blue. So the enzymes are not permanently altered by the addition of ascorbic...just stabilized.

170f or 76c are my high temps for extracts

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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21769514 - 06/06/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

will certainly try it!
makes good sense!


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21769847 - 06/06/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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YOu can bypass lemon and all that crap if you just use that ball fruit fresh(pic)I posted earlier. It will extract every single bit of goodies in there in 30 min flat with one tsp to a quart or less.

Use the same method just use that instead of lemons or lemon juice. Ingredients are citric, ascorbic and an anti caking something or another. All ingredients one would easily find in store bought tea.

All that acid is unnecessary. The ball will bring it down to like ph4 and stabilize.

The tea actually taste like normal tea lol




So how is the comeup?

You still get that unpleasant body feeling of normal chewing them?

My head feels funny.. etc ;-)
Shit this is intense and unpleasant

and then suddenly at 60mins, its smooth and enjoyable


No nausea at all?
All methods I've tried, except Chocolates and Red Wine tek give nausea - and lemontek gives me the most nausea of all - together with OJ


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #21770778 - 06/06/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys Some really really interesting info there. The last 2 times have been intense trips and not very relaxed, which I don't mind anyway, but the next one I'm doing next week I dont want to be as intense. The misses will be there so need it to be an easily controlled mellow trip but still nice. Which is why I am trying brewing.

Lessismore......I'm a big fan of chocolate. So I'm very interested in knowing how to prepare them with chocolate. If you wouldn't mind sharing this with us.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
    #21771072 - 06/06/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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YOu can bypass lemon and all that crap if you just use that ball fruit fresh(pic)I posted earlier. It will extract every single bit of goodies in there in 30 min flat with one tsp to a quart or less.

Use the same method just use that instead of lemons or lemon juice. Ingredients are citric, ascorbic and an anti caking something or another. All ingredients one would easily find in store bought tea.

All that acid is unnecessary. The ball will bring it down to like ph4 and stabilize.

The tea actually taste like normal tea lol




So how is the comeup?

You still get that unpleasant body feeling of normal chewing them?

My head feels funny.. etc ;-)
Shit this is intense and unpleasant

and then suddenly at 60mins, its smooth and enjoyable


No nausea at all?
All methods I've tried, except Chocolates and Red Wine tek give nausea - and lemontek gives me the most nausea of all - together with OJ




I personally get a lot of anxiety coming up and feelings of "why the fuck" did I just do that lol. But then it turns into a decent ride after 45-50 min. But no real nausea/discomfort or anything.:shrug:

I agree chocolates are pretty good as long as you don't over do the chocolate.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58] * 1
    #21782397 - 06/09/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well its shroom day again tomorrow. Well looking forward to comparing tea with LemTek. Will try to report it on Thursday guys.

Wish me luck :thumbup:


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
    #21795426 - 06/11/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh man i hate when friends buzzkill during trips...


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #21795433 - 06/11/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin more rapidly then taken with out something highly acidic.  Psilocybin is not active as it's self it has to be converted into psilocin before it can cross the blood brain barrier.  This is why this rapid conversion to psilocin produces a stronger effect.  You're getting more of the drug faster.

You're body will convert to psilocin all on it's own with out lemon juice but the lemon juice acts as a catalyst, which is why the conversion happens at a more accelerated rate then under normal conditions.

Nothing is extracted, nothing is hydrated.  Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug.

If you don't believe me look up the pharmodynamics of psilocybin.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21805409 - 06/14/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I was never a big fan of tea, not as easy to dose and completely unnecessary/ messy if you can just eat the mushrooms by themselves.  You can always put dried mushrooms in a small coffee grinder blend them to powder and make a lemon tek that way, mix them in a shot glass of lemon juice/water.




This.

By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.

As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.

It makes the bad trip totally worth it :thumbup:

shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21805446 - 06/14/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin more rapidly then taken with out something highly acidic.  Psilocybin is not active as it's self it has to be converted into psilocin before it can cross the blood brain barrier.  This is why this rapid conversion to psilocin produces a stronger effect.  You're getting more of the drug faster.

You're body will convert to psilocin all on it's own with out lemon juice but the lemon juice acts as a catalyst, which is why the conversion happens at a more accelerated rate then under normal conditions.

Nothing is extracted, nothing is hydrated.  Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug.

If you don't believe me look up the pharmodynamics of psilocybin.


Got to pick you apart on this man

"The high level of acidity (lemon juice) converts psilocybin to psilocin" This is an incorrect statement. Dephosphorylation  of 4podmt>>4ho dmt requires and enzyme located in the body to convert. Most likely the reason psilocybin will stabilize in liquid for quite some time.
Its creating psilocybin citrate which is more soluble in water imo and creates and ideal platform for which the drug is administered. Moved over to liquid the body converts and accepts it much quicker as if you were taking a purified drug.

Much like a shot of alcohol would hit you

"Nothing is extracted" this is incorrect. The minute its in the liquid and degrading the fungal tissue and cells its being released into the water... and yes its hydrating the tissue as well.

"Those terms don't apply here as they have nothing to do with the consumption of the drug of the effects of the drug."
YOur speaking plant/fungi material not purified drugs. Think about what your stating here.

I think vit c(ascorbic acid) plays a huge role in making everything more water soluble as well.

53 mg in an average lemon and around the same in an orange. SO orange/lemon juice would have ton in it.

wiki says heroin users use it too...makes it more water soluble for injections


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21806715 - 06/14/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This.

By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.

As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.

It makes the bad trip totally worth it :thumbup:

shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.




Hmmm maybe next time I'll use a shot glass. Both times I've done this method I have had about half a pint of juice and shrooms to drink. Proper made me gag. So how many grams of shrooms can you powder up into a shot glass? Surely not a lot. And if I haven't got a coffee blender, how else can I powder them up? I got a grinder but I don't think that'll get them as fine as powder.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
    #21806747 - 06/14/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This.

By far my favorite way to lemon tek. Shot glass, powdered shrooms and some citrus juice blend.

As fof OPs bad trip, ive been there. The moment u leave a situation causing the bad trip is one of the best feelings ive ever experienced. Pure joy, relief, mental peace, all at the same time.

It makes the bad trip totally worth it :thumbup:

shrooms are very sensitive to the set and setting, maybe moreso than LSD or mescaline. At least in my experience.




Hmmm maybe next time I'll use a shot glass. Both times I've done this method I have had about half a pint of juice and shrooms to drink. Proper made me gag. So how many grams of shrooms can you powder up into a shot glass? Surely not a lot. And if I haven't got a coffee blender, how else can I powder them up? I got a grinder but I don't think that'll get them as fine as powder.




You can also trip intensely with just the dust mixed in water

It is the powder surface area that helps absorption quickly too, it will work stronger than eating shrooms normally

Shroom chocolate water

In fact it may work so strong it would kick your ass with 2.5g likely, I would be careful drinking powdered shrooms.

I would start with 1.5g then redose , even though I normally take 3.5-4.5g

The only downside to powering shrooms in any form (pills,lemontek,water drinking) is shorter trip, trip only lasts like 4 hours sometimes.. half of normal

And that is a big downside.... - Not fun really for me, but can be fun to see Just how intense visuals you can get, can get very intensely visual, whole room bends away with 1.8g + red wine for me


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: lessismore]
    #21806761 - 06/14/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Right ok. So would doing it in a weed grinder be ok? Better than a kitchen blender like I used both times. Lol.


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: scorps1212]
    #21807160 - 06/14/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I forgot to  mention, when i shot glass my lemontek, i do a little at a time. So, i take a big pinch of powdered shrooms from my baggie, put it in myshot glass, add some juice, wait a few minutes, then shoot it back. I wait between shots because its still unpleasant to shoot it.

Its not a true lemon tek, since i dont wait 20+mins, but its effect is pretty similar.

I find it easier this way than a tall glaass :shrug:


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Re: 2nd 5g LemTek experience. This one not so good [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21809888 - 06/15/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ah right ok. I was wandering how you'd fit it all in a shot glass with juice as well. Lol.


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Free mushroom chocolate recipe [Re: scorps1212]
    #21810089 - 06/15/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19168153


Thought I would 'spam' a mushroom chocolate recipe here
People would probably like to try a few methods and find the one they like the most

You will not be disappointed with chocolates, best method I've tried, and very easy to prepare too, only needs an icecube tray


Some like shroom tea, some like chocolates, powder, capsules, lemontek, orange juice etc.

Or maybe more than one method of consumption..

Chocolates are just a step above the others I think, it's like a pure LSD trip each time, so much love, gotta try it to know

No taste, no nausea, no gutrot , you won't even know you've eaten anything
even if you eat 5g..


Someone sent me the recipe maybe 4-5 years ago, and it's still the best method I've tried by far, and I've tried all methods - also eating them fresh


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Re: Free mushroom chocolate recipe [Re: lessismore]
    #21823044 - 06/18/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome bud. Nice one. I'll check it out and maybe give it a go next time.


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