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Nogamenolife
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Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)?
#21717971 - 05/24/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been looking at some of the hallucinogens people use for personal growth, and they are mostly very spiritual and not recreational. The main ones I've been looking at are Ayahuasca, Iboga, and shrooms. A lot of people report a feeling of being led/guided by a presence outside of themselves. On Iboga especially, people have reported reported forceful introspection by a strict plant teacher who is apparently good in nature and demands the same of the tripper. Personal transformation and diminishing of the ego is pretty much inevitable.
I don't want this. I want something more self-guided. Something that will allow me to use it to manifest my personal ambitions and be as spiritually/emotionally immature as I so desire.
Example: say I went into an Iboga trip saying "I refuse to grow from this experience. I just want to have a colorful trip". From what I've read, Iboga would give me a good slap in the face and show me the error of my ways and FORCE me to grow whether I want it to or not.
But is there a drug that gives you complete control over how deep you go? Something an undeveloped/emotionally immature person can take and use for his own good or bad ambitions without the drug's input.
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Kinshino
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Nogamenolife]
#21718013 - 05/24/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You know what, screw this. If you aren't looking for any insight or anything from these substances, then you shouldn't be taking these at all. Like you said, they're tools, not toys...
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4HO-DMT


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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Nogamenolife]
#21718020 - 05/24/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you are just playing with fire with any psychedelic with an attitude like that. My advice, stay away from psychedelics. They are not for everyone and they are especially not toys.
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thoraxx
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#21718320 - 05/24/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can only speak of shrooms, but i think the same works for LSD, and they can be used recreationally and without surrendering control You just have to stay in the shallow end of the dose range
This is hard to put into words and i think the posters above me might have misunderstood what you mean, so my advice would be to just try a low dose and see for yourself For a beginner, psychedelics are definately not a party drug tho
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Nogamenolife]
#21718917 - 05/24/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nogamenolife said: I have been looking at some of the hallucinogens people use for personal growth, and they are mostly very spiritual and not recreational. The main ones I've been looking at are Ayahuasca, Iboga, and shrooms. A lot of people report a feeling of being led/guided by a presence outside of themselves. On Iboga especially, people have reported reported forceful introspection by a strict plant teacher who is apparently good in nature and demands the same of the tripper. Personal transformation and diminishing of the ego is pretty much inevitable.
I don't want this. I want something more self-guided. Something that will allow me to use it to manifest my personal ambitions and be as spiritually/emotionally immature as I so desire.
Example: say I went into an Iboga trip saying "I refuse to grow from this experience. I just want to have a colorful trip". From what I've read, Iboga would give me a good slap in the face and show me the error of my ways and FORCE me to grow whether I want it to or not.
But is there a drug that gives you complete control over how deep you go? Something an undeveloped/emotionally immature person can take and use for his own good or bad ambitions without the drug's input.
Try a fifth of Jack.
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Heisencybin
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21718926 - 05/24/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lucid dreaming?
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Supachopped719
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Heisencybin]
#21719273 - 05/24/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lsd can be pure recreational hedonism. But always be prepared for a random spiritual slap in the face.
I almost always want something spiritual and deep to happen, but it just happens at the most random times on LSD. On mushrooms it almost a guarantee I have some kind of mysticism occur at some point.
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Drumdude27
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Supachopped719]
#21722907 - 05/25/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm against the idea that ALL psychs have to ALWAYS be spiritually. They can be, and should be used as such. That being said I'm not against the recreational use of them, especially for beginners. I think people that are just starting out should get their feet wet with low, recreational doses. If they decide to go deeper, so be it. If not, they at least gave it a shot, and they still went deeper than most people. Even recreational doses can change the way you think, or see the world. If they just cause you to live in the moment more, than you gained something from it. If being in the moment more often isn't spiritual in a sense, I don't really know what is.
I'm also sure it can slap you with a few minutes of spiritual insight, even if that's not your intention going in.
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Re: Best Psychedelic Tools (for undeveloped ego wishes)? [Re: Nogamenolife]
#21727218 - 05/27/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like what you're looking for is 2C chemicals:
-- Source: Jesusgreen - Re: 2CB "Plastic" high
I think this applies for the 2C-X series in general in that they have a malleable level of depth to them. Of course it's dose and drug dependent as with some of the 2C-X series there's quite a level of mental depth even at lower doses, but at least those I've tried (2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-T-2 and bk-2C-B) all felt like I could focus less on introspection and more on being lucid and just seeing the visual candy and not wading in so to speak, or focus on diving right in at the deep end and taking even the lower end doses quite mentally deep, with extremely intricate thought-trains, creativity like nothing else and even a somewhat tryptamine-like "mindfuck" if I pushed them hard enough and allowed myself to fully immerse myself in the complete experience.
It's why I've learned to appreciate say lower doses of 2C-E for example a lot more over time than I do high ones, because at high doses it sort of throws me into either a shallow but extremely intense rollercoaster-ride or a deep "lets be the next Nietzsche" level of thought without me having much say in the matter, and there's a certain element of chance as to which way it goes, with it being seemingly more random and less set/setting dependent than say tryptamines. At say 8-12mg though, I'm fully capable of deciding the direction I want to go with the trip, and even with 8mg I can go incredibly deep.. but I can also just dip my toes in and enjoy looking at the trees and flowers for a while without too much thought involved. 
Interestingly I actually find 2C-B less easy to control than 2C-E, and if I do end up going in the direction of deep thought and introspection during a trip I'm more likely to be stuck with it - but that could be because with 2C-B I'm a fan of taking around 40mg, and with 2C-E I've also had a ton more experience with it than I have with 2C-B.
2C-E was a bit like a wild animal for me, when you first meet it, it's wild and unruly, and can have a bit of a nasty bite to it sometimes too, or simply the trip can seemingly not want to show its full nature to you. As you spend more time with 2C-E, each trip you get to know it a little better, get to know the tricks of making a trip go in the specific direction you want, how best to prepare for a trip, and the best uses for each trip; suddenly the wild animal is more tame and listens to your command, and you're able to be the director of your own trip, rather than sitting in the back-seat just hoping that it unfolds the way you want.  --
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