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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21878972 - 06/30/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you lift it, gainz will come
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The Doobie Dude said: If you lift it, gainz will come

So very simply true
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21878991 - 06/30/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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cut cut cut
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The Nutter


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Sorru for derailing this further, but wanted to agree with you on something
That whole thing about power and Olympic lifters adjusting to endurance and crossfit better...totally true
Mat Fraser who is the favourite to win the 2015 crossfit games, who coincidentally is also 5'7 or so like me and 180lbs...he came from an Olympic lifting background. Been doing it since he was 12. He talks about how he was so put off by crossfit at the beginning. Eventually, he drank the koolaid and after only 8 months training crossfit, made it to regionals and placed well. A year and half later, he has made it to the games and is the favourite to win. He is a fucking beast. His snatch is 315. He sure sits in the basement for a long time on his snatch. But it looks damn good. He was shooting for a spot in the 2016 Olympics but broke one of his vertebrae
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The Doobie Dude


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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21880624 - 06/30/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Broke his vertebrae cause CROSSFIT
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No, while he was training for Olympic weight lifting. It's why he gravitated towards crossfit
Nice try derp
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21880715 - 06/30/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lies and slander
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21881874 - 07/01/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah a strength or power background goes a long way in competitive crossfit.
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He was shooting for a spot in the 2016 Olympics but broke one of his vertebrae
For a 180lb guy, a 315 snatch is pretty impressive, but I don't know how it's going to get you to the Olympics.
Also, having just looked up his lift, it was with straps. Still very impressive, but I suppose this is just me voicing my irrational distaste for the cliche phrases that are thrown around so easily: "He had hopes for the Olympics" or "He was an Olympic hopeful" or "I'm training for the Olympics". It seems like nowadays anybody who competes in a sport earns the status "Olympic hopeful".
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Better to shoot high then too low, amirite?
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He is my height. I think i'll genetically max out around the same weight. I'm a similar frame. Time will tell
and yes, for his height and weight, it's impressive, regardless of straps. Is there better, of course...but they can't do half the other shit he can I'm sure. I'd be very satisfied with my "health" and "fitness" if I won the crossfit games and had snatches and cleans in the 300's 
I never said he was going to olympics. I said he was shooting for it. Nothing wrong with shooting high
"In 2008, Mat Fraser packed his bags and moved to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colo. The Olympic weightlifter trained there for two years before he broke his L5 vertebrae while preparing to compete in Romania at the Junior World Weightlifting Championship.
“It was just a combination of lifting too heavy, too often and without the right preparation,” Fraser said.
The injury required surgery and shattered his dreams of earning a spot on Team USA for the 2016 Olympics."
you missed my entire point. I was agreeing that the strength guys that transition to crossfit seem to be at the top of the pile. Mat Fraser was just one example of this
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The Doobie Dude said: If you lift it, gainz will come
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21893005 - 07/03/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Masked said: Sorru for derailing this further, but wanted to agree with you on something
That whole thing about power and Olympic lifters adjusting to endurance and crossfit better...totally true
Mat Fraser who is the favourite to win the 2015 crossfit games, who coincidentally is also 5'7 or so like me and 180lbs...he came from an Olympic lifting background. Been doing it since he was 12. He talks about how he was so put off by crossfit at the beginning. Eventually, he drank the koolaid and after only 8 months training crossfit, made it to regionals and placed well. A year and half later, he has made it to the games and is the favourite to win. He is a fucking beast. His snatch is 315. He sure sits in the basement for a long time on his snatch. But it looks damn good. He was shooting for a spot in the 2016 Olympics but broke one of his vertebrae
Telling you guys will start seeing a lot of olympic lifters come in and dominate in crossfit. Having talked to a few who I've had the pleasure of working out with their general idea is "shit if im cleaning 500lbs" and there are dudes struggling to do 350...." I love watching the little asian powerlifters especially the chinese because it's just like holy fucking shit, the dude is like 5'5" little asian man and getting 400 lbs over his head. powerful little ninjas.
Op just eat big and lift big. That is the one thing we can all agree on I'm sure. Rice is your friend. Rice chicken and brocolli will become your best fucking friends either. Compound lifts. Also weed never hurt any lifter. Ever. The estrogen thing is a bs study from the 80's under the reagan dyna... administration and it actually helps a lot for muscle recover my relaxing the fibers and stimulating appetite when you work out. Some people even enjoy smoking before the gym. Little caffeine, a dab or too and some aggressive rapid fire style rap and im in the zone. You gotta find your zone man.
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Yeah broccoli, chicken and rice for the win 
Man, I can never imagine cleaning 500. No desire to either 
I'll be happy if I ever hit 315. Long way to go though :/
Id be happy with 500lbs deadlift, 315 clean, 225 snatch, 275 bench, and anything over 275 for clean and jerk. I think they are all attainable and realistic, time will tell. But when and if I do hit all those one day, am I going to say "I'm done, no more for me"? Lol doubtful :p.
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21894240 - 07/03/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The purpose of cutting as a "skinnyfat" is due to calorie partitioning. If you have an excess of bodyfat and eat a caloric surplus a higher percentage of the surplus will be allocated to creating fat reserves before lean muscle tissue.
This is why i asked the question.
However, the difference this makes in someone who is 15% and someone who is 25%bf is possibly fairly negligible.
Fat is not really an issue. The more fat you have the more energy can be devoted to building muscle tissue.
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Right - so if i did SS for 3 weeks, my physique would be vastly different than that posted? Give me a break. I actually started with SS for the first couple weeks before taking a layoff to get through finals and then starting up on ICF.
Quote: Switch to Starting Strength and get your numbers up.
Please explain why SS is better than ICF?
(they are the same, minus accessories!)
SS is 3x5, ICF is 5x5. Also the accessories in ICF are pointless for a beginner. Barbell shurgs, close grip bench, cable crunch, etc... All fairly pointless exercises, especially as a novice. Also, SS has cleans...a far superior exercise that effectively replaces rows/shrugs. 3x5 allows for greater progression in weight. 5x5 is too much volume for progression to occur for very long. In the next edition of SS the squat rep scheme will be changed to 5x3 from 3x5 so that is another option.
I have a pic on here somewhere... All I've did was SS for 4 months and 5/3/1 for 4 months (and judo on off days as my "cardio") and my physique turned out pretty nice.
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Why 5/3/1? I've heard good things about madcow and texas method and heard 5/3/1 critisized because it is too low volume. How about PHUL or a 6 day "brosplit"?
5/3/1 has plenty of volume under the Big But Boring version of that routine. There is also more room for accessory work.
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Anyways - how would you determine when to stop bulking?... Is it unwise to do a slow bulk from now until next April?...
This is up to personal preference. But a solid 1 year slow bulk would probably be a good start.
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Alright - good reply!
I am happy with the ICF accessories - close grip bench press and skull crushers have definitely helped with my bench press and OHP. Although shrugs do seem fairly... pointless. Curls are helping with the bicep definition - can't complain.
I lift at home and don't have an olympic barbell set therefor no cleans for me.
Point taken though - I appreciate you taking the time to respond. 
EDIT: 1 year slow bulk is what I was looking to do anyways.
EDIT2: I've heard of 5/3/1 "big but boring" ... will look into it. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21896939 - 07/04/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Skull crushers are a decent tricep accessory but most of your tricep growth will come from OHP and the bench press. Check out mark rippetoes video on the skull crusher
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Titus_Pullo said: Skull crushers are a decent tricep accessory but most of your tricep growth will come from OHP and the bench press. Check out mark rippetoes video on the skull crusher
Rippetoes video is great, although I'll check it out again (it's how i learned the skull crusher) - My point was that tricep strength was an early limiter in my presses. Both CGBP and skullcrushers are progressing great with regards to strength and i feel like it's translated into advancing both pressing movements.
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