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Fair enough - i understand what your saying. I'd prefer to keep the love handles to minimum though.
However - i will keep the essence of what you said in mind "train hard, eat alot of good food and see results - no muss no fuss."
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21726955 - 05/26/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bulk for life.
I'll cut when I am dead
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It's been a month since i posted this and I just compared a current photo with one in the OP. I am looking very soft by comparison, although my forarms, and legs (calves and thighs) have grown visually.
My thighs have almost outgrown a pair of jeans I own.....
I am gaining a bit too fast and should probably cut down my caloric intake a bit.
This will be a hard - I am basically getting fat.
(+I haven't been biking as much as I should be.)
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21848454 - 06/23/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're making good strength gains, keep them up. If you continue to get stronger then you'll eventually see the aesthetic changes occur too. Don't give up just because you've gained a little bit of fat.
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I've found it really hard to gain weight when I'm eating little-to-no fructose. So long as I'm doing intense exercise weekly, I can eat >200-300g of carbohydrates (from sources like whole milk, brown rice, and oats) per day, and see little fat gain. It's when I start adding fruit juice, soft drinks, chocolate, and all those sugary processed foods that I start to gain fat, even when exercising weekly.
I know all the sugar in fruit is fructose, but I haven't had any trouble eating a few bananas a day. It's just the really sugary stuff that causes the fat gain for me.
I'd say I'm somewhere between 10-15% body fat though. I mostly stay within this range and still manage to put on muscle mass if I'm eating a lot. I haven't tried going below that, but if I wanted to I'd probably limit the carbohydrates a bit. It's much easier for me to go heavier after eating some glucose, it's hard for me to gain muscle and recover well on a low-carb diet.
I think the crucial thing is that I work out every week. If I ate lots of glucose and I wasn't exercising, I'd probably start putting on a lot of fat.
edit: But yeah, I usually just eat lots of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. I came down with what seems like food poisoning/a stomach bug a couple days ago, so I'm focusing on recovering from that by adding lots of vegetables to my diet and keeping my energy intake a bit low until I recover. If you ever get sick, I think it's good to have a little bit of body fat to draw energy from, in case you lose your appetite as I have.
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: gcs]
#21849234 - 06/24/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can build muscle and cut fat at the same time. I wish you would try my advice for thirty days and show us all three pictures. Now what exactly is the goal here? If you're wanting to be lean and muscular its crazy to do all the exercise you stated and be getting "soft".
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Matt87]
#21851564 - 06/24/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: You can build muscle and cut fat at the same time. I wish you would try my advice for thirty days and show us all three pictures. Now what exactly is the goal here? If you're wanting to be lean and muscular its crazy to do all the exercise you stated and be getting "soft".
Goal is to build overall size especially upperbody (arms/shoulders/back) and to be strong.The lifting has already helped me overcome tightness and chronic pain in my neck and shoulders, which is a major bonus.
In 1 month (exactly) i've put on 1/2 inch circumference on my forarms, hips and waist. I am obviously gaining weight too quickly - I think my diet was fine when i was burning 700cals from cycling to/from work - but once i stopped that due to fatigue/heat I never adjusted and gained like... 4lbs almost over night; 172.4 to 177.8 (over the past 1 month).
I must say that eating at a big surplus helps me recover faster and feel better over all - but from what i've read the optimal rate of gain is 0.5-1lb per week and I am at 1.35lbs/week which suggests that I am likely gaining primarily fat. Accordingly, the last couple days i've been cutting back on the things i was adding to my diet to reach a big caloric surplus (mainly whole milk and peanut butter)....
All of this said - I've basically resolved for myself to eat a bunch and get as strong as possible and follow my routine to a T until September, at which time I will adjust diet/routine as necessary.
Strength and size gains are good. I am going to add in some Ab work, and cut back on the whole/milk peanut butter (which should drop me 3-400calories and put me in the "slow bulk" zone....)
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21852062 - 06/24/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you want to be like a thick large bodybuilder type dude? Like a linebacker or something?! I would like to see your progress if you ever feel like showing updates. Do you do bodyweight stuff like chin ups/push ups occasionaly or mostly throw around the heavy metal?
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Matt87]
#21853074 - 06/24/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: So you want to be like a thick large bodybuilder type dude? Like a linebacker or something?! I would like to see your progress if you ever feel like showing updates. Do you do bodyweight stuff like chin ups/push ups occasionaly or mostly throw around the heavy metal?
The most generic physique that i could use as an example is that of a rugby player. Thick and strong, but not jacked/swole. I don't care about single digit body fat or massively bulgy muscles - but i'd like my shoulders to be wider than my hips with a bit of a taper, and a lean midsection with stocky/thick legs.
I took a bunch of pics in a couple different mirrors with different lighting and I am actually disgusted by what I see! - not going to post pics.
Once I lose some of the belly fat, I will.
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Although I am new - I would like to get strong aswell and am more geared towards the powerlifting mentality than that of bodybuilding.
I have no timeline - but I find these numbers attractive goals:
225# bench 360# squat 405# DL
This is just 10lbs short of the 1000lb club...
*shrug* - All i know is that I didn't start working out to get fat, at least not this quickly!
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21854168 - 06/25/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I started at 161lbs and after 7 months I am 173lbs. And I was wearing a 36" waist jeans and now I'm wearing 30" waist jeans.
If you care for some of my advice, let me know
One tidbit I'll offer tho is that genetics play a huge role for success in aesthetics especially
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21854280 - 06/25/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you care for some of my advice, let me know
Yes, i'd like to have your input. 
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One tidbit I'll offer tho is that genetics play a huge role for success in aesthetics especially
Understood. I have a friend for instance, who is very out of shape and has never really exercised, yet is tall, muscular and looks physically indominible.
I've always carried a small pudge on my belly, although it nearly disappeared when i was long distance cycling and especially when i was marathon training. Despite many changes in my exercise and diet habits my body weight is very consistent. However - I got to low 160's marathon training and low 170's when i was deadlifting heavy frequently.
Now - I am surprised how easy it's been to gain the weight. Since i've stopped adding a tbsp of peanut butter and a 1/2 cup of milk to my smoothies, i've stopped gaining for the past 3 days. 
Probably the worst thing i could have done was added these high calories foods to my diet: Peanut butter, almond butter, bread, butter, greek yogurt.
Traditionally I am a big eater and the consistency of my weight over the years suggests that I am fairly intune with meeting my variable energy requirements via. eating to satiety. I think i would have better results eating slightly more/less than i "felt" i needed, rather than calculating on an app!
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Matt87]
#21854317 - 06/25/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: I would like to see your progress if you ever feel like showing updates.
Here we go, the morning light is kinder to me and I am considerably less bloated:


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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: PDU]
#21854445 - 06/25/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm on my phone so forgive me for not going into huge explanations and explaining things to death. I'll keep it short and sweet. I will just give some food for thought based off my personal results.
- I've accomplished this all with crossfit. There are so many huge misconceptions and down right ignorant views on crossfit. Suffice to say, high intensity and dynamic training is where it's at in my opinion. If you want mass, you need to push some heavy weight around and sweat your ass off and work for it 
Here is just a small list of the exercises I do regularly:
-cleans -hang cleans -snatch -thrusters -overhead squat -front squat -back squat -clean and jerk -push jerk -push press -strict press -bench press -hand stand push-ups -regular pushups -deficit pushups -pullups -muscle ups(on rings and bar) -dips(on rings and dip bar) -medicine wall balls -rowing -toes to bars -knees to elbows -box jumps -deadlifts -sit-ups -Ghd situps -back extensions -good mornings -rope climbs -tire flips -sled drags -double unders(jump rope) -pistols -kettleball swings
The key is variety. So whatever you are doing, make sure to mix it up a lot and really push yourself to absolute muscle failure each and every workout
And there is a misconception about what literally builds muscle. Lifting weights doesn't build muscle. Eating protein doesn't build muscle. What builds muscle is your body's internal system. The only way it can accomplish this is with proper rest and optimal nutrition.
I have started with people around the same time who go ever single day. I go 3 times a week. Sometimes once a week. And I feel I have had much better results. Not just in my pictures. I have packed some serious gains on all my lifts.
Your body needs time to repair the torn and stretched muscles. Everyone needs different rest periods. Listen to your body. After a brutal workout, I am around the 4 to 5 day mark myself.
Focus more on your macros and less on your calories.
I've always had a really slow metabolism. I pack weight on easily when I eat shit foods. What has worked for me is cutting all shit out. All fast food, all heavy carbed process stuff. Carbs are always the smallest portion on my plate and it's always healthy carbs. You need carbs to fuel hard workouts and help with recovery. Insulin plays a huge role in gains but I won't get into that. I generally use sweet potatoes, yams and turnips for carbs with my chicken/fish/beef and veggies.
So eat fairly clean. And when you do this...eat as much as you bloody want. I do. I crush 1% milk and go through lots of peanut butter. Love making banana peanut butter smoothies with my protein powder 
I love eating sushi when I eat out. 
Make sure your workouts are intense as fuck, eat clean but eat lots. Get the right macros every day, use a protein supplement, drink tons of water, eat a multi vitamin, take lots of rest days when needed and make sure you get your beauty sleep....you do that, the results will slowly but surely come.
Everyone wants fast results, but it's about building up slowly, surely and that builds a strong foundation for life long results and overall health
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21854506 - 06/25/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you want results don't do what Masked is saying
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21854884 - 06/25/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also eat according to the intensity of workouts. If I have a particularly nasty workout the next day, I enjoy more healthy carbs the night before
I love oatmeal and blueberries a couple hours before a workout sometimes as well
Eat for performance. Like I said, eat lots but eat clean. 
Every day is different but I'll give you an idea of how I eat on an average day off work 
Wake up around 730am, drink 500ml of water By 9 am, I eat either a smoothie with one banana, 2 tbsp of peanut butter and one scoop of protein powder and milk OR a small portion of oatmeal with blueberries and protein with water
Workout from 11 to 12.
Within twenty minutes of completing workout, I have another scoop of protein powder(loaded with glutamine and bcaas and some creatine). Shortly after I usually am hungry as fuckhave a dense late lunch, loaded with yams/sweet potatoes or turnips, and of course some meat source and a pile of veggies . Sometimes I may even have a subway sandwhich, no dressings. Or I make a badass 3 egg omelette loaded with all sorts of goodies
I snack on nitrite free deli meats or roasted chicken or Greek yogurt or scrambled egg whites and/or the odd banana or piece of fruit between meals. Sometimes I even have a small bowl of cereal
For dinner i like to have fish/steak/or chicken with another healthy carb source and a pile of veggies. I make my evening meal the largest out of the day IF I'm hungry enough for it
I randomly take tablespoon helpings of peanut butter randomly. It's a weakeness lol
Right now I'm at work and my main meal today is fish and kale.
For awhile I used the myfitnesspal app to track macros and calories
I average about 2400 to 2600 a day with my eating habits. My macros were all in check except I often went over on the fat thanks to how much peanut butter and avocado is in my diet lol
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21859116 - 06/26/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use standard barbells because I got the weight set for cheap of craigslist. Anyways - i never got around to weighing the bars until last night. The 6' bar which i use for bench, rows, shrugs and good mornings is 20lbs, but i've been counting it as 10lbs.
Overnight all those lifts gained 10lbs.
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It's very clear many of you are typical 21 year old know it alls with no real experience besides what you lie about on a message board 
yeah just terrible advice for good results. Eat clean, eat lots, take a multi vitamin, get lots of rest, make sure macros are in check, use a protein supplement, lift heavy, workout hard to failure and try to create some variety in your workouts. yeah, terrible advice for results 
and we both know you are the biggest joke of them all mescalean. The only thing you have any knowledge in is being a junkie and living with mom lol
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Re: Bulk or Cut [Re: Masked]
#21861746 - 06/26/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's very clear many of you are typical 21 year old know it alls with no real experience besides what you lie about on a message board 
yeah just terrible advice for good results. Eat clean, eat lots, take a multi vitamin, get lots of rest, make sure macros are in check, use a protein supplement, lift heavy, workout hard to failure and try to create some variety in your workouts. yeah, terrible advice for results 
and we both know you are the biggest joke of them all mescalean. The only thing you have any knowledge in is being a junkie and living with mom lol
cheers
Lol you always bitch at me, am i the easiest target because im younger you always mention me no matter how little a role I have. do you just think "hes 10+ years younger i can show him grrrr? Yeah I know a lot about heroin. No I don't live with my mother. I also think you lost control of your "manic depressive" shortcoming and wigged the fuck out again lol. Grow some thicker skin you fucking pussy. Only reason I quoted them was the "mix it up alot" is completely fucking retarded and no serious coach training someone to gain some decent size would have someone follow some sporadic "program". He should "mix it up" about every six weeks give or take how his body reacts. Your first post was pretty much a sales pitch for crossfit without using the word "crossfit". And just because people post higher numbers than you doesn't mean they are lieing. Like you said, some (many) of us may ( judging off the shirtless selfies) have been gifted with better genetics.
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