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If there is a God, in what way does it exist?
    #21715962 - 05/23/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Does God exist as a physical being?
As some kind of disembodied spiritual plane being?

Is God just an idea, if it is an idea, is it a reality?
It must be something transcendental.. like it exists and doesn't exist at the same time
Maybe it only exists if we realize it

Even non-existent things seem to have some kind of existence, even if ineffable

Does God have a mind, or is it beyond mind?
A lot of people say God is Love, or God is Truth. But this can only be a concept?
Like they say that God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty
Is God on a pole like everything else, something that balances both light and dark, or is darkness and fear what some say it is, False Evidence Appearing Real

And lastly, can God be appealed to through prayer and meditation?


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21715990 - 05/23/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i don't know, man, 'god' is surely a word, and as for all words, when used in the right context make perfect sense.  not saying that some ones who use the word 'god' are using incorrectly, just not to the understanding of what this 'god' may actually be.  'god' has a lot, if not everything to do with faith of.

you know?  my maker is me mom and pa.  their makers are their ma.s and pa.s. their makers are their ma's and pa's.  having known of my great great grandma and few other great grandparents, that is as far as i can go back speaking of makers.  you know?  i know they have their own ma's and pa's but never seeing them before just puts having faith into their words, and with their words being true, as others can verify, i believe they have their own ma's and pa's.

i guess, the word 'god' does cover the greeks gods and goddess do exist.

what do you mean?


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #21716107 - 05/24/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

God is yourself, and alone exists.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: circastes]
    #21716250 - 05/24/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The world and universe are God's concept to self-experiment. God is pure love and bliss but It needs an admirer and to know the pain in order self-reassure as love only. We are parts of God experimenting Its own creation and illusion and all of us should return back one 'day' recognizing this powerful love He is.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: Thaj]
    #21716432 - 05/24/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

God is God.  yourself is yourself.  Love is Love.  bliss is bliss.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: Thaj]
    #21716439 - 05/24/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

God is God.  yourself is yourself.  Love is Love.  bliss is bliss.

God, says wikipedia


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #21716483 - 05/24/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If god was anyone, it would be a complete stranger that you wouldnt even think of as god, but he meets everyone.

Or sometimes I think god is a famous person just waiting to stand up and yell out hes god, and start some crazy shit.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21716569 - 05/24/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Rather than wondering about 'what ifs'... why not realize the nature What Is, there wil always be another what if, but there is only One What Is

I understand that in seeking you want to find answers to the biggest questions, but what's the most essential answer you can find? Is it what is out there? Or what is already here present, existing as yourself?

Like you say all notions are just ideas, the answer to your questions lies within you not in anyone elses ideas about the matter

If your search is genuine your eyes will be opened, prayer or medtation can help :heart:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: Chronic7]
    #21718031 - 05/24/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not really seeking God, just posing a philisophical question, maybe this thread was better suited to PSP.

Prayer and meditation definitely helped me in the past when I was a spiritual seeker. I don't seek these days, just practise gratitude and presence


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21718050 - 05/24/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

God is mind, and everything is God. Nothing exists outside of God's awareness and imagination.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21718128 - 05/24/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I once made a Petitionary Prayer with VERY specific features. I had had a number of unpleasant next-door neighbors for several years, maybe 2 or 3 families. I asked for an Indian family, Hindus, with a couple of Ph.D.s and possibly a Mental Health Counselor like myself. As I said, VERY specific. I 'received' a Hindu family, 2 Ph.D. holders - a mathematician who landed a position in the university I was adjunct professor at for a while, and the woman was a Mental Health Counselor!!! Unfortunately, I divorced my ex-wife and left the neighborhood before I could become better acquainted with them. I understand the man died some years back.

I attempted to understand the 'mechanics' of such an event. (1) Did I simply have a precognition of who was to move in next door and interpret that precognition to be a personal desire? No, I first thought of a Chinese family, but Indian philosophy has always intrigued me the most. (2) Did my own desire 'attract' that family in some 'law of attraction' sense? No again. What would be the probability of a Hindu man and woman, both with Ph.D's (only about 1% of the US population has one), AND a Mental Health Counselor with a Ph.D. which is unusual, moving into a house right next door to a person who prayed for exactly those qualities? Most Ph.D. holders in the field are psychologists, with relatively fewer Licensed Clinical Social Workers. (3) The turn-around period from when the house was vacated to when the Indian family moved in was very brief, was this evidence that the whole story of our lives is predetermined, and further, that even my prayer for what was ordained to be  was ALSO predetermined? My ego certainly had no knowledge of the existence of such a family and therefore no control. Is there any truth to the words of Yogi Hari Das that the Present is only the past repeating itself? Have I experienced this very lifetime before, forgotten everything of it, but this prayer event was a "glitch in The Matrix?" OR, was this a VERY clear lesson to me that God does respond to Petitionary Prayer? It certainly was a meaningful coincidence, a coincidence of inner desire and outer fulfillment. What gives? :shrug:

Plato's book Parmenides asks much of what you are inquiring about, particular with regard to whether God has Being, or whether God remains utterly undefined and ineffable which means that even Being cannot be attributed. I recognize the equation of "God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty" from the book BE HERE NOW to which I would add "Reality." To what extent does my persona locus co-create Reality with an 'Other' which we refer to as God? I wonder...


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21718160 - 05/24/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

on the topic of petitionary prayers, that's quite a neat example Markos! the one that stands out in my life is when I prayed to have an out of body experience and within about five seconds I was catapulted out of my body and floated down beside my bed as an orb of awareness while being bathed in intense love :laugh: it's been my only OBE I've had to date, but what was the neat thing to me was that it came as a response to a prayer so immediately :smile:

as for God - I like what PocketLady said - that God is omniscient consciousness that includes everything :smile: I think it's always a good idea to remember/consider that we are aspects of God ourselves, we are not separate from God, that there is no inherent separation or duality there outside of our mistaken experience/illusion of such.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
    #21718521 - 05/24/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's always a good idea to remember/consider that we are aspects of God ourselves, we are not separate from God, that there is no inherent separation or duality there outside of our mistaken experience/illusion of such.

Yes, I agree, but the Western psyche finds it incredibly difficult to affirm this without the ego sneaking in and identifying with God to some degree. That is the wisdom in speaking of God as a "Wholly Other." Then there are the notions of God, Godhead, and "God above God" which are linguistic devices to illustrate the 'gradations' of Reality so-to-speak, like the Nous emanated from the ONE in Plotinian Neoplatonism or the Logos [Son] as the prolation of the 'Father' existing in space-time as well as in its eternal essence.

I'm glad you had an immediate response to an ardent desire. If these things occurred to more people with somewhat greater frequency, the whole world might be positively affected.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21718542 - 05/24/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that a balance has to be reached to prevent egoic identification with God. for me, I think of individuals as extensions of God such as how fingers are extensions of a single hand. at the same time, fingers are the hand, but a single finger cannot be said to be the totality of the hand :smile: but I imagine that the truth of these matters in actuality is beyond any human reasoning :smile:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21718560 - 05/24/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That stuff serendipitously happens to me all the time, like discovering one of my good friends and roommates in college that I had fallen out of touch with lived merely four blocks away from me, 2500 miles away from where we went to school, at a time where I was looking to integrate into a new city and make friends.  Alas, I'm not important enough for the Uverse to answer my petitions.  :ohwell:  I do seem to have some uncanny timing though.... I've met people on one side of the country at a festival and ran into them at a restaurant or what have you on the other side of the country so many countless times.  Life is bizarre.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21719001 - 05/24/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

CosmicJoke I was just reading about synchronicity in one of Stan Grof's books called "When The Impossible Happens - Adventures In Non-Ordinary Realities".

I don't read him often anymore because I sort of feel I'm a bit ahead of him! Haha!

Interesting that Jung held back on publishing his work on synchronicity for 20 years because of fear of backlash.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: circastes]
    #21719017 - 05/24/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think egoically thinking "I am God" is a bit unhelpful, I mean, it may be true but it doesn't achieve anything. Only the bliss counts, when it is somehow found, amidst a healthy functioning brain. That is the great power of God - His/Her/Its beautitude of Its own self, which is what we are all unconsciously seeking in our distant dreams of the future, our blissful reminiscences, from the moment we wake up and feel we are after something.

The great dream is to become God once again.

You and this and now is what you're looking for.

Smoke DMT and look in the mirror, I dare you all... :laugh:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21719020 - 05/24/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 1
    #21719039 - 05/24/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: circastes]
    #21719043 - 05/24/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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circastes said:
I think egoically thinking "I am God" is a bit unhelpful, I mean, it may be true but it doesn't achieve anything. Only the bliss counts, when it is somehow found, amidst a healthy functioning brain. That is the great power of God - His/Her/Its beautitude of Its own self, which is what we are all unconsciously seeking in our distant dreams of the future, our blissful reminiscences, from the moment we wake up and feel we are after something.

The great dream is to become God once again.

You and this and now is what you're looking for.

Smoke DMT and look in the mirror, I dare you all... :laugh:




Sure, I'll try that.  I vaped DMT in as close of an approximation of dead silence a week or two ago and that was a number :lol:

I'm so used to some sort of aural stimulation, even at festivals where I've vaped there has been some distant drum jam.

I vaped DMT at the peak of 50mg of MXE while listening to Bjork's new album Vulnicura yesterday :biggrin:

Simply beautiful.


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21719087 - 05/24/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
Does God exist as a physical being?
As some kind of disembodied spiritual plane being?

Is God just an idea, if it is an idea, is it a reality?
It must be something transcendental.. like it exists and doesn't exist at the same time
Maybe it only exists if we realize it

Even non-existent things seem to have some kind of existence, even if ineffable

Does God have a mind, or is it beyond mind?
A lot of people say God is Love, or God is Truth. But this can only be a concept?
Like they say that God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty
Is God on a pole like everything else, something that balances both light and dark, or is darkness and fear what some say it is, False Evidence Appearing Real

And lastly, can God be appealed to through prayer and meditation?




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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
    #21719090 - 05/24/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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on the topic of petitionary prayers, that's quite a neat example Markos! the one that stands out in my life is when I prayed to have an out of body experience and within about five seconds I was catapulted out of my body and floated down beside my bed as an orb of awareness while being bathed in intense love :laugh: it's been my only OBE I've had to date, but what was the neat thing to me was that it came as a response to a prayer so immediately :smile:

as for God - I like what PocketLady said - that God is omniscient consciousness that includes everything :smile: I think it's always a good idea to remember/consider that we are aspects of God ourselves, we are not separate from God, that there is no inherent separation or duality there outside of our mistaken experience/illusion of such.





Very interesting experience, I wish I could read the details


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: Thaj]
    #21719109 - 05/24/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

there isn't much more I can say about it really - it was a very simple albeit beautiful experience. the love I felt radiating at me from all directions was incredibly intense, super benevolent, and felt quite divine :smile: i stayed hovering beside my bed as a spherical ball of awareness for a short while, feeling all this intense love, before I soon found myself back in my body lying on my bed. this happened in the afternoon, so sleep wasn't involved :smile: it was quite a nice proof for me at the time of a higher power :smile:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
    #21719141 - 05/24/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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there isn't much more I can say about it really - it was a very simple albeit beautiful experience. the love I felt radiating at me from all directions was incredibly intense, super benevolent, and felt quite divine :smile: i stayed hovering beside my bed as a spherical ball of awareness for a short while, feeling all this intense love, before I soon found myself back in my body lying on my bed. this happened in the afternoon, so sleep wasn't involved :smile: it was quite a nice proof for me at the time of a higher power :smile:




Thanks, I tried to get out of my body few time but I never got relaxed enough so I am still hoping for it to happen one day :wink:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
    #21719303 - 05/25/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I agree that a balance has to be reached to prevent egoic identification with God. for me, I think of individuals as extensions of God such as how fingers are extensions of a single hand. at the same time, fingers are the hand, but a single finger cannot be said to be the totality of the hand :smile: but I imagine that the truth of these matters in actuality is beyond any human reasoning :smile:




I concur completely.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21719309 - 05/25/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

all of everything you know is part of a composition.

a singular thing.

there is nothing, real or conceptual that isnt a part of that thing.

there is nothing before that thing.

and that thing exists outside of time, space,

anything that is, is part of the thing.

it clearly exists even if its just a set of all then it must exist and the above must be true.

every communication is from and to this thing.

it sees hears and knows everything that can be known because everything that can see hear or know anything is a part of it.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
    #21719383 - 05/25/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's like having an ant colony behind glass.  You can go "oh gee look at that" and nothing more.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21719628 - 05/25/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I once made a Petitionary Prayer with VERY specific features. I had had a number of unpleasant next-door neighbors for several years, maybe 2 or 3 families. I asked for an Indian family, Hindus, with a couple of Ph.D.s and possibly a Mental Health Counselor like myself. As I said, VERY specific. I 'received' a Hindu family, 2 Ph.D. holders - a mathematician who landed a position in the university I was adjunct professor at for a while, and the woman was a Mental Health Counselor!!! Unfortunately, I divorced my ex-wife and left the neighborhood before I could become better acquainted with them. I understand the man died some years back.

I attempted to understand the 'mechanics' of such an event. (1) Did I simply have a precognition of who was to move in next door and interpret that precognition to be a personal desire? No, I first thought of a Chinese family, but Indian philosophy has always intrigued me the most. (2) Did my own desire 'attract' that family in some 'law of attraction' sense? No again. What would be the probability of a Hindu man and woman, both with Ph.D's (only about 1% of the US population has one), AND a Mental Health Counselor with a Ph.D. which is unusual, moving into a house right next door to a person who prayed for exactly those qualities? Most Ph.D. holders in the field are psychologists, with relatively fewer Licensed Clinical Social Workers. (3) The turn-around period from when the house was vacated to when the Indian family moved in was very brief, was this evidence that the whole story of our lives is predetermined, and further, that even my prayer for what was ordained to be  was ALSO predetermined? My ego certainly had no knowledge of the existence of such a family and therefore no control? Is there any truth to the words of Yogi Hari Das that the Present is only the past repeating itself? Have I experienced this very lifetime before, forgotten everything of it, but this prayer event was a "glitch in The Matrix?" OR, was this a VERY clear lesson to me that God does respond to Petitionary Prayer? It certainly was a meaningful coincidence, a coincidence of inner desire and outer fulfillment. What gives? :shrug:

Plato's book Parmenides asks much of what you are inquiring about, particular with regard to whether God has Being, or whether God remains utterly undefined and ineffable which means that even Being cannot be attributed. I recognize the equation of "God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty" from the book BE HERE NOW to which I would add "Reality." To what extent does my persona locus co-create Reality with an 'Other' which we refer to as God? I wonder...




That was a wonderful account of petitionary prayer, thank you for that. :thumbup:


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: le hermetiste]
    #21721036 - 05/25/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That was a wonderful account of petitionary prayer, thank you for that. :thumbup:

:cheers: le hermitiste.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
    #21721056 - 05/25/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That is logical IF the mystical Oneness is fundamental. If the mental is the fundament of Reality. ("Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." - Mark 9:24)


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    #21721072 - 05/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

as you are a part of "the everything", i dont think its unusual to "beat the odds" so to speak when asking for something specific, right head space right time, universe has a path, you could change that path by petition, but i believe you could also petition for what is already on the way, after all you are connected.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
    #21721642 - 05/25/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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    #21725829 - 05/26/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know any thing about the Demiurge? I have been researching that and the gnostics and it is pretty interesting. This is what i take it as: we do live in a holographic matrix type reality. Everything we know is based on the construct of the demiurge which is recognied as duality. Light and dark. Good and evil. We are conditioned before we are even born, tricked as you may, to participate in this duality based reality. So to sum it up, we are being played from both sides. Good and evil are the same exact thing they just go about manipulation in a different way. They feed off of our energy. What you would call demons and angels both operate the same in the sense that they need us to leech off of. One is just more obvious. Thus fueling the duality of good vs. evil. the jealous god we know of is a false god and the true creator or source is outside of the Demiurge. So when we die if we want to go back to the true source we must transcend the illusion that traps our consciousness in this dimension. I think it is pretty interesting to think about. It makes sense to me in a way. But it could all be deception too. Who knows....


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    #21726142 - 05/26/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The Gnostic myths are also myth. The difference is that most of the Gnostics recognize the mythical, metaphorical, and metaphysical meanings of scriptural writings without necessarily believing they are historical events. Spiritual stories among he Jews was called midrash. There are many schools of Gnostic thought (Valentinians, Sethians, Ophites, Naasenes, etc.) and pseudo-Gnostic though (like the Gospel of Thomas, or Marcion). The main problem they all dealt with was theodicy, how can there be such evil given that God is good? The Gnostics sometimes had a completely different take on characters like Judas Iscariot (whose last name might simply suggest that he belonged to the 'Sicari,' Jewish assassins), as well as the serpent in Eden, which instead of being evil was sometimes seen as a symbol of wisdom ("..be wise as serpents and innocent as doves" - Matthew 10:16) whereas the humanoid God walking in the garden was the Demiurge who had trapped divine sparks of The Pleroma in bodies of flesh.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
    #21727316 - 05/27/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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all of everything you know is part of a composition.

a singular thing.

there is nothing, real or conceptual that isnt a part of that thing.

there is nothing before that thing.

and that thing exists outside of time, space,

anything that is, is part of the thing.

it clearly exists even if its just a set of all then it must exist and the above must be true.

every communication is from and to this thing.

it sees hears and knows everything that can be known because everything that can see hear or know anything is a part of it.



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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: circastes]
    #21727359 - 05/27/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For an easy way to think about it - consider your mind and the thoughts that it has. This is consciousness - and that is how 'God', if you wish to use that term, exists. Simply consciousness. If you wish to be very literal / physical in your understanding you could view the planets, the stars, the universe and other tangible items as the brain part of the equation.


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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: YBT]
    #21728426 - 05/27/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just answered this on a different post

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21724893

"I don't see God

I see the collective consciousness. Everything is connected

We create the universe through our perceptions. Its not as magnificent as "creating the earth in 7 days" but it's still creation

Our consciousness and greater intention often nudge people in the "right" direction.They might also have spiritual visions - which I believe to be a concentrated desire in the universal consciousness sharing information (as one basic theory)

In this plane, I don't think the creator has the power to create. If it does - not in the 3rd dimension. That said - I think it IS possible for a human to unlock creative power, although the means to this is all based in personal theory and there is 0 evidence for this.

And I imagine that for a human to create they must get closer to the universal consciousness"


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