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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#21719087 - 05/24/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: Does God exist as a physical being? As some kind of disembodied spiritual plane being?
Is God just an idea, if it is an idea, is it a reality? It must be something transcendental.. like it exists and doesn't exist at the same time Maybe it only exists if we realize it
Even non-existent things seem to have some kind of existence, even if ineffable
Does God have a mind, or is it beyond mind? A lot of people say God is Love, or God is Truth. But this can only be a concept? Like they say that God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty Is God on a pole like everything else, something that balances both light and dark, or is darkness and fear what some say it is, False Evidence Appearing Real
And lastly, can God be appealed to through prayer and meditation?
God is spirit, and He's around, but it is up to us to recognize Him.
Jonah 2:10 And the Lord commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
#21719090 - 05/24/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff said: on the topic of petitionary prayers, that's quite a neat example Markos! the one that stands out in my life is when I prayed to have an out of body experience and within about five seconds I was catapulted out of my body and floated down beside my bed as an orb of awareness while being bathed in intense love it's been my only OBE I've had to date, but what was the neat thing to me was that it came as a response to a prayer so immediately 
as for God - I like what PocketLady said - that God is omniscient consciousness that includes everything I think it's always a good idea to remember/consider that we are aspects of God ourselves, we are not separate from God, that there is no inherent separation or duality there outside of our mistaken experience/illusion of such.
Very interesting experience, I wish I could read the details
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: Thaj]
#21719109 - 05/24/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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there isn't much more I can say about it really - it was a very simple albeit beautiful experience. the love I felt radiating at me from all directions was incredibly intense, super benevolent, and felt quite divine i stayed hovering beside my bed as a spherical ball of awareness for a short while, feeling all this intense love, before I soon found myself back in my body lying on my bed. this happened in the afternoon, so sleep wasn't involved it was quite a nice proof for me at the time of a higher power
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
#21719141 - 05/24/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff said: there isn't much more I can say about it really - it was a very simple albeit beautiful experience. the love I felt radiating at me from all directions was incredibly intense, super benevolent, and felt quite divine i stayed hovering beside my bed as a spherical ball of awareness for a short while, feeling all this intense love, before I soon found myself back in my body lying on my bed. this happened in the afternoon, so sleep wasn't involved it was quite a nice proof for me at the time of a higher power 
Thanks, I tried to get out of my body few time but I never got relaxed enough so I am still hoping for it to happen one day
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: deff]
#21719303 - 05/25/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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deff said: I agree that a balance has to be reached to prevent egoic identification with God. for me, I think of individuals as extensions of God such as how fingers are extensions of a single hand. at the same time, fingers are the hand, but a single finger cannot be said to be the totality of the hand but I imagine that the truth of these matters in actuality is beyond any human reasoning 
I concur completely.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21719309 - 05/25/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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all of everything you know is part of a composition.
a singular thing.
there is nothing, real or conceptual that isnt a part of that thing.
there is nothing before that thing.
and that thing exists outside of time, space,
anything that is, is part of the thing.
it clearly exists even if its just a set of all then it must exist and the above must be true.
every communication is from and to this thing.
it sees hears and knows everything that can be known because everything that can see hear or know anything is a part of it.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
#21719383 - 05/25/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's like having an ant colony behind glass. You can go "oh gee look at that" and nothing more.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21719628 - 05/25/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: I once made a Petitionary Prayer with VERY specific features. I had had a number of unpleasant next-door neighbors for several years, maybe 2 or 3 families. I asked for an Indian family, Hindus, with a couple of Ph.D.s and possibly a Mental Health Counselor like myself. As I said, VERY specific. I 'received' a Hindu family, 2 Ph.D. holders - a mathematician who landed a position in the university I was adjunct professor at for a while, and the woman was a Mental Health Counselor!!! Unfortunately, I divorced my ex-wife and left the neighborhood before I could become better acquainted with them. I understand the man died some years back.
I attempted to understand the 'mechanics' of such an event. (1) Did I simply have a precognition of who was to move in next door and interpret that precognition to be a personal desire? No, I first thought of a Chinese family, but Indian philosophy has always intrigued me the most. (2) Did my own desire 'attract' that family in some 'law of attraction' sense? No again. What would be the probability of a Hindu man and woman, both with Ph.D's (only about 1% of the US population has one), AND a Mental Health Counselor with a Ph.D. which is unusual, moving into a house right next door to a person who prayed for exactly those qualities? Most Ph.D. holders in the field are psychologists, with relatively fewer Licensed Clinical Social Workers. (3) The turn-around period from when the house was vacated to when the Indian family moved in was very brief, was this evidence that the whole story of our lives is predetermined, and further, that even my prayer for what was ordained to be was ALSO predetermined? My ego certainly had no knowledge of the existence of such a family and therefore no control? Is there any truth to the words of Yogi Hari Das that the Present is only the past repeating itself? Have I experienced this very lifetime before, forgotten everything of it, but this prayer event was a "glitch in The Matrix?" OR, was this a VERY clear lesson to me that God does respond to Petitionary Prayer? It certainly was a meaningful coincidence, a coincidence of inner desire and outer fulfillment. What gives? 
Plato's book Parmenides asks much of what you are inquiring about, particular with regard to whether God has Being, or whether God remains utterly undefined and ineffable which means that even Being cannot be attributed. I recognize the equation of "God=Love=Truth=Light=Purity=Beauty" from the book BE HERE NOW to which I would add "Reality." To what extent does my persona locus co-create Reality with an 'Other' which we refer to as God? I wonder...
That was a wonderful account of petitionary prayer, thank you for that.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: le hermetiste]
#21721036 - 05/25/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That was a wonderful account of petitionary prayer, thank you for that. 
le hermitiste.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
#21721056 - 05/25/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is logical IF the mystical Oneness is fundamental. If the mental is the fundament of Reality. ("Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." - Mark 9:24)
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#21721072 - 05/25/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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as you are a part of "the everything", i dont think its unusual to "beat the odds" so to speak when asking for something specific, right head space right time, universe has a path, you could change that path by petition, but i believe you could also petition for what is already on the way, after all you are connected.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
#21721642 - 05/25/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#21725829 - 05/26/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you know any thing about the Demiurge? I have been researching that and the gnostics and it is pretty interesting. This is what i take it as: we do live in a holographic matrix type reality. Everything we know is based on the construct of the demiurge which is recognied as duality. Light and dark. Good and evil. We are conditioned before we are even born, tricked as you may, to participate in this duality based reality. So to sum it up, we are being played from both sides. Good and evil are the same exact thing they just go about manipulation in a different way. They feed off of our energy. What you would call demons and angels both operate the same in the sense that they need us to leech off of. One is just more obvious. Thus fueling the duality of good vs. evil. the jealous god we know of is a false god and the true creator or source is outside of the Demiurge. So when we die if we want to go back to the true source we must transcend the illusion that traps our consciousness in this dimension. I think it is pretty interesting to think about. It makes sense to me in a way. But it could all be deception too. Who knows....
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: OmniDimensional]
#21726142 - 05/26/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Gnostic myths are also myth. The difference is that most of the Gnostics recognize the mythical, metaphorical, and metaphysical meanings of scriptural writings without necessarily believing they are historical events. Spiritual stories among he Jews was called midrash. There are many schools of Gnostic thought (Valentinians, Sethians, Ophites, Naasenes, etc.) and pseudo-Gnostic though (like the Gospel of Thomas, or Marcion). The main problem they all dealt with was theodicy, how can there be such evil given that God is good? The Gnostics sometimes had a completely different take on characters like Judas Iscariot (whose last name might simply suggest that he belonged to the 'Sicari,' Jewish assassins), as well as the serpent in Eden, which instead of being evil was sometimes seen as a symbol of wisdom ("..be wise as serpents and innocent as doves" - Matthew 10:16) whereas the humanoid God walking in the garden was the Demiurge who had trapped divine sparks of The Pleroma in bodies of flesh.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: rxb]
#21727316 - 05/27/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rxb said: all of everything you know is part of a composition.
a singular thing.
there is nothing, real or conceptual that isnt a part of that thing.
there is nothing before that thing.
and that thing exists outside of time, space,
anything that is, is part of the thing.
it clearly exists even if its just a set of all then it must exist and the above must be true.
every communication is from and to this thing.
it sees hears and knows everything that can be known because everything that can see hear or know anything is a part of it.

What there is, is 'That', and you are That also.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: circastes]
#21727359 - 05/27/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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For an easy way to think about it - consider your mind and the thoughts that it has. This is consciousness - and that is how 'God', if you wish to use that term, exists. Simply consciousness. If you wish to be very literal / physical in your understanding you could view the planets, the stars, the universe and other tangible items as the brain part of the equation.
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Re: If there is a God, in what way does it exist? [Re: YBT]
#21728426 - 05/27/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just answered this on a different post
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21724893
"I don't see God
I see the collective consciousness. Everything is connected
We create the universe through our perceptions. Its not as magnificent as "creating the earth in 7 days" but it's still creation
Our consciousness and greater intention often nudge people in the "right" direction.They might also have spiritual visions - which I believe to be a concentrated desire in the universal consciousness sharing information (as one basic theory)
In this plane, I don't think the creator has the power to create. If it does - not in the 3rd dimension. That said - I think it IS possible for a human to unlock creative power, although the means to this is all based in personal theory and there is 0 evidence for this.
And I imagine that for a human to create they must get closer to the universal consciousness"
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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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