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Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals
#21713666 - 05/23/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sure we've all read that story about paul stamet's septic issues. He owned land with old septic waste, and was going to be legally forced to buy an expensive system to clean it up.
So instead of buying said septic system, he starts chucking his spent oyster logs into the septic waste. And as we probably all know, it cleans it right up.
So now I'm thinking, would it be possible to just have a tank filled with shit and piss that you get some oysters started in? Would this actually be efficient? Could the mushrooms grow well enough with very little light down there in the tank of a porta potty?
Who knows, maybe it would destroy smell better than that blue chemical stuff does. And it might be cheaper for the porta potty companies to maintenance the things, who knows.
Is this a good enough idea to build a test model? 
only problem is everytime I try to clone wild oysters they contam badly.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21713673 - 05/23/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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In before Moonshoe shares his vast knowledge of toilets and chemicals.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21713706 - 05/23/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: In before Moonshoe shares his vast knowledge of toilets and chemicals.
yay 
I was hoping somebody would have such knowledge.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TheGreenArrow] 3
#21713801 - 05/23/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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In before Pris comes in here with his vast knowledge of Wikipedia
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21713806 - 05/23/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You figure this out, you could wind up with a real profitable patent on your hands.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Dark_Star]
#21713813 - 05/23/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seeing how the mushroom death suit is a thing, this would be awesome.
I think we'll have to genetically engineer a strain to make the conversion pathway faster though.
&People would cry GMO & You can't just throw this into nature!
i'd be afraid it'd become the dominant species
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Beanhead]
#21714038 - 05/23/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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personally Mechanicalconveyors might be useful for moving shit. i wish tehre was a myco chemical facility because theres probably so many chems that can be derived outa the mushroom that can maybe be used in the waste before being introduced to the mushrooms directly. hence the mechanical conveyors. like a chem that works away at the shit then gets in with the mycellium, making it metabolize faster or something. My job involves me sitting waiting and directly across from my seat is a shit house behind me is a mushroom dense strip of land. Used time to think on the subject. My thinking towards a recycle bin instead of shit house was extrapolated.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21717317 - 05/24/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bump?
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21766942 - 06/05/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21924575 - 07/10/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.letsgogreen.com/how-composting-toilets-work.html
Been thinking more about this idea, finally did some reading on how typical porta potties work when I came across composting toilets.
They are pretty similar to my idea, only they use bacteria instead of fungi. I'm wondering why porta potty companies still use chemical mixes when this is available? (Maybe composting takes too long for commercial use, or maybe it costs more.)
Maybe fungi can do it faster/simpler than bacteria. I want to start experimenting with this idea but my housemates would probably not appreciate it
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21924595 - 07/10/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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isnt the blue chemical in porta-john water just a deoderizer?
i dont think it breaks down poo or anything like that
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Adolin]
#21924622 - 07/10/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gresh said: isnt the blue chemical in porta-john water just a deoderizer?
i dont think it breaks down poo or anything like that
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4925069_porta-potty-work.html
This doesn't explain very clearly, but it has the phrase "breaks down" in it.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21924666 - 07/10/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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found this, its a MSDS sheet for a popular brand of that blue stuff(Exodor):
http://findersfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/porta_potty_liquid_msds.pdf
this is the composition
75-85% Water 5-10% Surfactant mixture 1-5% Fragrance mixture 1-5% Colorant mixture 0-1% Ethyl alcohol 0-1% Surfactant
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Adolin]
#21924764 - 07/10/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gresh said: found this, its a MSDS sheet for a popular brand of that blue stuff(Exodor):
http://findersfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/porta_potty_liquid_msds.pdf
this is the composition
75-85% Water 5-10% Surfactant mixture 1-5% Fragrance mixture 1-5% Colorant mixture 0-1% Ethyl alcohol 0-1% Surfactant
so lets see, ethyl alcohol is probably to prevent certain bacteria/germs from growing in there?
Surfactant: reduces surface tension?
"Surfactants may act as detergents, wetting agents, emulsifiers, foaming agents, and dispersants." which is it i wonder.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21924780 - 07/10/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'm guessing your right about it breaking the poo down some, and the surfactant is to help break down the hard turds and dissolve them in the water and make it easier to pump out
i know they work that way with oil. you can basically dissolve oil in water with a surfactant
Edited by Adolin (07/10/15 02:03 PM)
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Adolin]
#21925730 - 07/10/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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problem is the heat a porta potty gets volcanic blazing
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21927087 - 07/11/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeahh, maybe there's a fungus that would work better than oysters.
Maybe I should just shit in the woods and clone what grows on it
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21927727 - 07/11/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the detergent is probably better at killing the bacteria than the ethyl alcohol. It destroys the membrane of cells so nothing can survive in it. Its why soap kills bacteria.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: fapjack]
#21938774 - 07/13/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think machine like when you poop on the conveyor it conveys your shit into a packing centre and then makes bricks of shit then innocs them
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21939991 - 07/13/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelerOfSorts said: I think machine like when you poop on the conveyor it conveys your shit into a packing centre and then makes bricks of shit then innocs them
wanna give that sentence another try? I'm not sure I know quite what you mean
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21940067 - 07/13/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Poop on a conveyor 2. covey said poop into a packing centre. 3. make bricks of poop 4. innoc poop bricks 5. ?????? 6. Profit. That's what he said pretty much.
I think this idea could work. The only problem I see coming into this is either keeping the oyster spawn alive while digesting the poop. Or getting large amounts of oyster spawn to keep it going. I think it'd be cheaper to move the waste to a facility and use the oysters there, instead of seperately in each porta potty.
Although, the idea would work if we had a fungus that can continually survive shit water. Maybe a type of mold instead? It'd have to be fast and able to grow effectively in liquid.
I think the reason why compost porta potties don't work well is because bacteria make a very terrible smell. I couldn't imagine having to use that...
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Achillita]
#21940127 - 07/14/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: 1. Poop on a conveyor 2. covey said poop into a packing centre. 3. make bricks of poop 4. innoc poop bricks 5. ?????? 6. Profit. That's what he said pretty much.
I think this idea could work. The only problem I see coming into this is either keeping the oyster spawn alive while digesting the poop. Or getting large amounts of oyster spawn to keep it going. I think it'd be cheaper to move the waste to a facility and use the oysters there, instead of seperately in each porta potty.
Although, the idea would work if we had a fungus that can continually survive shit water. Maybe a type of mold instead? It'd have to be fast and able to grow effectively in liquid.
I think the reason why compost porta potties don't work well is because bacteria make a very terrible smell. I couldn't imagine having to use that...
the ads I saw for composting toilets claimed they had no smell. But they're evaporating piss and fermenting feces so I don't see how that works 
I'm starting to see the problems with my plan too. I'm thinking oysters might not be ideal. I'm wondering if the contents of a porta potty would would contain too much water for myc to do well. Composting toilet website claimed that human waste is typically 90% water.
Longevity could be another issue like you said. I'm hoping that you could just throw some spawn in there one time to seed a colony and then it would just continue to grow. I mean that's how outdoor mushroom beds work..right? Just keep pouring on more material year after year and it'll keep growing. The main maintenance would be occasionally removing some of the colonized mass..probably 
I like the idea of trucking all the waste to a facility and doing the oyster mushroom treatment there, but one of the main selling points of these fungal outhouses would be the lack of smell. (seems to me like it should reduce smell quite a bit)
Getting to the point where I'm just going to have to test it to find out. I need a way to do my experimenting without disturbing my housemates though...
And I need to trade for or purchase an oyster culture...oh yeah.
(I'm also starting to think that shitting in the woods and isolating any fungi that grow on it might be a good method of obtaining candidates for replacing the oyster. So somebody should probably talk me out of that)
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21940160 - 07/14/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly, if you shit in the woods you're most likely gonna get some sort of mold to grow on it. Or nothing because of the amount of bacteria.
I think oysters might work for it, but I think you'd need something that is more aggressive and much quicker. Oysters are already hella fast, but I don't know how long they'll last in the bacteria contaminated water...
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Achillita]
#21948126 - 07/15/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'mma let you finish but let me just say beyonce had the better...
I am really into this because four years litterally I've had a visual image of how to compact and prep for mycelium.
You dont need water in a tank and it doesnt need to be a tank, I'm saying look to the chemistry of mushrooms to decompoos, you would need mushroms simply growing near the shit so that they would be sporulating the shit, problem is that its digested and the smell in the heat. I know sporeulate and transport, really who wants to do this with shit shacks first its not ideal but if we could look at garbage or recycle first you could maybe lead into this fecal matter, I would assume its alot like the mushroom to use the ecosystem aswell, so maybe there are plants that could ahve roots into the shithouse, and bugs aswell..
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21948431 - 07/15/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelerOfSorts said: I'mma let you finish but let me just say beyonce had the better...
I am really into this because four years litterally I've had a visual image of how to compact and prep for mycelium.
You dont need water in a tank and it doesnt need to be a tank, I'm saying look to the chemistry of mushrooms to decompoos, you would need mushroms simply growing near the shit so that they would be sporulating the shit, problem is that its digested and the smell in the heat. I know sporeulate and transport, really who wants to do this with shit shacks first its not ideal but if we could look at garbage or recycle first you could maybe lead into this fecal matter, I would assume its alot like the mushroom to use the ecosystem aswell, so maybe there are plants that could ahve roots into the shithouse, and bugs aswell..
that was a tad hard to follow. Is english your first language?
Having oysters eat garbage was another potential project of mine. Was gonna train them to eat plastic based cigarette filters and isolate the ones that could consume plastic the fastest and go from there. Maybe I could make one of those little garbage cans specifically for cigarette butts, except there's some oysters living/loving at the bottom.
The fungal cigarette can seems a little more far fetched though.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21948511 - 07/15/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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not to swing this to far but, about 3d printers is there one that works with autoCAD?
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21948527 - 07/15/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelerOfSorts said: not to swing this to far but, about 3d printers is there one that works with autoCAD?
there must be. either that or a conversion.
not that I know much about 3d printers, i just highly doubt they're not compatible with autocad
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21948623 - 07/15/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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what degrees in university/college work in the areas we are discussing?
Co-worker said environmental science.
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Re: Design a porta potty that uses mycelium instead of chemicals [Re: TravelerOfSorts]
#21949267 - 07/15/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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can't work because of the nature of porta-johns. They are used for single events (1 - 3 days) or pumped out weekly for remote locations.
You can't have a mushroom farm growing for 6 or 8 weeks in a shit storage tank without replacing the shit storage so the john can be continued to be used. So there is no economic advantage of using mushrooms rather than traditional methods, and mushrooms would require that you have 6 to 8 times more duplication of shitters.
Much more interesting is the Vice Presents: You Don't Know Shit
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/video/you-dont-know-shit-part-1-811
Shit is already being used to grow tomatoes, mushrooms and other food.
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