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Rosen_Rot
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Cleaning Jar Lids
#21712920 - 05/23/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys so I am starting to clean and pack my jars as the summer months are rolling in. I have no AC so production will be stalled for a few months.
I am looking for a 100% safe method on cleaning my jar lids from any possible contamination and without harming the silicone seal or the SFD.
Or should I just use totally new SFDs ??
I am also looking for proper storing methods of jars and lids. So far I have cleaned the jars with normal dish soap and left them to air dry, I then packed them up in a black garbage bag, sealed the bag and then put it in a cardboard box and that box into a plastic tote bag.
Thank you in advance
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21712927 - 05/23/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wash mine by hand, air/drip dry and store them where ever I can find room. Which isn't much from all the space this hobby takes up. I've given away so much shit for free over the past year just to make room for more stuff. I should probably find a method and stick to it. Anyway, hope this helps.
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I am afraid of wetting and weakning the SFD. What do you use to wash by hand? Normal dish soap? Bleach solution?
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21712971 - 05/23/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dish soap, sponge and water. I should probably note that I use tyvek suit squares for my filters and not sfd's though.
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Rosen_Rot
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Hmmm, thank you for your input I'll wait for more replies and suggestions before I do anything
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21713080 - 05/23/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wash my lids (with SFD) with dish soap & water. After they air dry, I toss them in a drawer. Been doing it that way for 4 years now. No need to overthink it.
As far as the jars, no need to take special precautions. You're going to sterilize them in the PC next time you cook grains.
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I used to wash my lids with soap and water. It worked fine. But now I just wipe out any grain debris with a damp rag. They will be sterilized anyway on the next run so as long as there is nothing in the lid to interfer with the lid contacting the jar its fine.
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Rosen_Rot
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That's what I was doing originally, just wiping them down with a damp paper towel and dish soap and then wipe them again with just water and let them air dry
Wasn't sure if it was enough.
Thank you Pasty! Will do that
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21713880 - 05/23/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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As long as they're SFD's there shouldn't be a problem. Shit, run them in the dishwasher.
I did, however accidentally buy the cellulose filter disks last time I made lids, and stored my jars with lids in my pressure cooker, and there was mold throughout the filters when I opened it back up about a month later. They also disintegrated like a paper towel. I have since bought new synthetic filter disks and have redone all my lids.
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Pastywhyte said: I used to wash my lids with soap and water. It worked fine. But now I just wipe out any grain debris with a damp rag. They will be sterilized anyway on the next run so as long as there is nothing in the lid to interfer with the lid contacting the jar its fine.

I totally half ass washing jars since I know they are going to be sterilized. The only annoying thing is that verm gets compressed between the jars seal and the glass lip, then it becomes hard to get off the rubber jar seal. Not an issue if you use grains obviously.
I don't think I have had contams from not washing jars well enough. All contams I see are at the injection point or start from the verm barrier. Never seen contams magically grow in any other areas of a jar.
Or use a dishwasher like SizlChest said. I don't have one sadly..
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I don't have a dishwasher either and some of my filter disks are the cellulose type as well. I'm guessing getting these wet is pretty bad
Think I'll just do as Pasty said and just wipe them with a damp towel or something
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21714539 - 05/23/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cellulose filters can get wet but they need to be allowed to dry fairly quick or they can mold. If you get em a little wet just don't seal em in a ziploc or nothing and you should do fine.
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My plan was to just leave them on the dish rack to air dry. It's close a window. Is that quick enough?
I'm taking the PCing into consideration and it does make sense. I did not really think of that process. I just want things to be clean and in order cause my OCD demands it.
I also I don't do PF-TEK or BRF so I don't deal with verm. I deal with grain and my jars are not the ones with seal. I use old jam/honey/preservative jars
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Pastywhyte said: But now I just wipe out any grain debris with a damp rag. They will be sterilized anyway on the next run so as long as there is nothing in the lid to interfer with the lid contacting the jar its fine.
I just dry them with a papertowel real quick.
Edited by d0urd3n (05/23/15 03:41 PM)
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: d0urd3n]
#21714903 - 05/23/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Many are against cellulose filter discs(cfd) but I prefer them. The pores don't widen with repeated sterilizations the way that synthetic filter discs can. One just has to prevent cfds from getting soaked or staying wet, but that doesn't take much effort. A layer of foil over the jars during pcing and you're good to go.
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: d0urd3n]
#21714917 - 05/23/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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*deleted, double post
Edited by TheEaglesGift (05/23/15 05:10 PM)
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Rosen_Rot
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I've had great success with them They were $1 from out-grow and I couldn't find SFDs on that website and didn't know any other. I found SFDs on ebay but they were really expensive. For 3 I had spent like $50 inc shipping which was ridiculous and why I went to CFDs instead
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21716340 - 05/24/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I got 100 CFDs for under 50 dollars from Aloha. Hard to beat that
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I wash my lids by wiping with a 99% iso dampened paper towl. Just don't like the idea of any extra moisture on my lovingly attached SFD's...
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Just air dry? I think in the PC some moisture does touch the SFDs occasionally
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21717407 - 05/24/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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.. The jar will go through a PC cycle again anyways next batch. I think some of you are over cleaning those jar lids. 
Like pasty said, just be wary of leaving filters wet because they can sometimes mold.
Hell, I don't even wash my lids/filters between batches. I clean the jars out, but the lids/filters sit out while my jars dry. Once jars are dry, I put the lids/filters back on and put back into storage til I need em again.
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My plan is to not touch the SFDs/CFDs. Just wipe with a damp paper towel, around and the rim...etc store the jars for the themselves and the lids for themselves. I don't trust leaving the lids on the jars
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Edited by Rosen_Rot (05/24/15 12:54 PM)
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21718037 - 05/24/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I leave lids off jars just because there might be some moisture left. But I try not to keep many jars empty. 
But yeah you guys are over-thinking this, IMO. They shouldn't be that dirty anyways. Wipe with damp paper towel. Air dry, store/make new grain jars. Just takes a few seconds. Only reason I even bother to wash jars is so I can see if there are any contams. All gets PC'd anyways.
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TheEaglesGift said: Many are against cellulose filter discs(cfd) but I prefer them. The pores don't widen with repeated sterilizations the way that synthetic filter discs can. One just has to prevent cfds from getting soaked or staying wet, but that doesn't take much effort. A layer of foil over the jars during pcing and you're good to go.
Since this thread relates to efficiency while cleaning jars, being timely and clean enough to re-use. I would like to mention that a big time saver is NOT using foil over SFD or CFD. I use both and haven't used foil in quite some time now. Use it if you want to but it is unnecessary for these types of filters. I have left jars in the pc for a day, the filter comes out dry. Same as when I take them out of the pc when still warm, the filters are dry or dry very quickly in my SAB.
Also great thread! I was trying to find an answer to how clean jars have to be for re-using in a PC. I personally have been hand washing all my jars and lids with soap and water. It is seriously the most time consuming part of my hobby. It is a relief that I can get away with just the wipe and rinse of spawn jars. Now can the same method be done with jars that were contam with bacteria? If its contam by trich I would always empty/rinse outside then soap and hot water.
Edited by PantsR4squares (05/28/15 11:27 AM)
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TheEaglesGift said: Many are against cellulose filter discs(cfd) but I prefer them. The pores don't widen with repeated sterilizations the way that synthetic filter discs can. One just has to prevent cfds from getting soaked or staying wet, but that doesn't take much effort. A layer of foil over the jars during pcing and you're good to go.
Since this thread relates to efficiency while cleaning jars, being timely and clean enough to re-use. I would like to mention that a big time saver is NOT using foil over SFD or CFD. I use both and haven't used foil in quite some time now. Use it if you want to but it is unnecessary for these types of filters. I have left jars in the pc for a day, the filter comes out dry. Same as when I take them out of the pc when still warm, the filters are dry or dry very quickly in my SAB.
Also great thread! I was trying to find an answer to how clean jars have to be for re-using in a PC. I personally have been hand washing all my jars and lids with soap and water. It is seriously the most time consuming part of my hobby. It is a relief that I can get away with just the wipe and rinse of spawn jars. Now can the same method be done with jars that were contam with bacteria? If its contam by trich I would always empty/rinse outside then soap and hot water.
Where did you get your cfds?
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A good way to clean lids, and their filters is to soak them for a few hours in a 1:10 bleach:water solution.
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TheEaglesGift said: .. The jar will go through a PC cycle again anyways next batch. I think some of you are over cleaning those jar lids. 
Like pasty said, just be wary of leaving filters wet because they can sometimes mold.
Hell, I don't even wash my lids/filters between batches. I clean the jars out, but the lids/filters sit out while my jars dry. Once jars are dry, I put the lids/filters back on and put back into storage til I need em again.
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Re: Cleaning Jar Lids [Re: hamloaf]
#21733043 - 05/28/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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hamloaf said: A good way to clean lids, and their filters is to soak them for a few hours in a 1:10 bleach:water solution.
You've even done this with CFDs?
I've never tried getting my cfds wet. I don't want to ruin them.
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Where did you get your cfds?
Out-grow going through amazon. Their 10 cents cheaper buying from Outgrows website.
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hamloaf said: A good way to clean lids, and their filters is to soak them for a few hours in a 1:10 bleach:water solution.
You've even done this with CFDs?
I've never tried getting my cfds wet. I don't want to ruin them.
They are perfectly okay wet. I found you just want to stay away from rubbing the filter when wet. Make sure after your cleanse of choice be it a soak even. Make sure to lay them out to dry. In times that I was in need of lids and only had dirty ones, I washed them and were soaked. I wanted dry filters, so I build a rack to sit on top of my oil radiator and turned the heat to maxium. Dry in 30-45 min!
Really it is fine if your CFD or SFD gets wet. As long as you avoid letting them sit wet for a day+ or enclosed/stacked while wet, they will be good to go!
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Double post
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