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grain too dry? first grow
    #21712771 - 05/23/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)


I let the grains soak for about 18 hours then brought to a full boil for 10 minutes and drained the grain for about an hour. before loading my grain into the jars to be PC'd i put a think layer of dry verm at the bottom of my jars to prevent excess moisture from accumulating there. The jars are currently sitting in a TiT at 81F.
it has been 3 days since inoculation


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21712785 - 05/23/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like it, what was your prep?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21712847 - 05/23/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

is there any luck in keeping this batch or should i just toss em?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21712890 - 05/23/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Take jars out of tit and leave them at room temp. It's only been 3 days. Spores can take up to 14-17 days to germinate. You want your grains to look sort of dry on the outside. Besides, it seems as though your prep work is fine. Just be patient and don't give up on the jars unless it's been over 3 weeks without signs of growth.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: insanemike]
    #21712907 - 05/23/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ill take them out of the TiT but the hottest place in the house is one of my closets which gets to max about 68f


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21712913 - 05/23/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You are better off heating the whole room than you are heating just the jars. It is more ideal to keep temps between 70-78*F during all stages of growth. But 68*F isn't bad, It will just slow growth a little
Which is better than leaving them in temps where contams are more likely to thrive.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: insanemike]
    #21714862 - 05/23/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

so you dont think its too dry for myc to form?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21714887 - 05/23/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dude how did you prep them?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21714901 - 05/23/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i let the grain soak for 18 hours with gypsum, then boiled for 10 minutes, then put in PC @ 15psi for 90 mins and i let them cool overnight in the PC before inoculation the jars are kerr 16 oz jars and i put a thin layer of dry verm at the bottom to prevent excess moisture buildup at the bottom of the jar, then i put the in a TiT for 3 days so far at 80-81F with a garbage bag over them


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21714918 - 05/23/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i think it was the dry verm layer at the bottom that dried them out, although the TiT could have something to do with it i suppose; btw room is pretty dry


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21714920 - 05/23/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's right then. You have tyvek filters?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21714924 - 05/23/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you'll be fine.

put them in the box they came in and put that on top of your refrigerator.

if there is no growth in 10 days, you may begin to worry.

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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21714938 - 05/23/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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so you dont think its too dry for myc to form?



Based off of the way you described your preparation, there is enough moisture for myc to form. It's only been a days, give it some more time.

The way I prep oats is to boil for about 30-40 minutes, until the inside is fully cooked and no longer starchy/white. The inside, when cooked, becomes almost clear and gelatinous.

The beauty of oats is they're pretty resistant to over cooking and bursting, unlike rye and wbs. I prefer oats over other grains because they don't even really have to be rinsed and certainly don't have to be soaked. I'm an oat man.

Also, skip the verm next time. It's not needed if you prep your grain correctly. Don't use it as a crutch.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21716196 - 05/24/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



i since started up two new jars just in case the previous ones were too dry, but same result, ( pic above is of new jar) same prep rinse until water pours off clean, 18 hour soak with gypsum, boil 10 mins drain, shake and then put into jars with two layers of tyvek sheets and foil over that. I put hte jars in the PC @ 15 psi for 90 minutes and inoculated when cool about 10 hours later.
I also followed eagle's advice and didnt add the vermiculite to the jar.
Also this pic was taken right after taking them out of the PC and inoculating them.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21716203 - 05/24/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

maybe im pressure cooking the jars too long, i dunno but if the grains aren't supposed to look this dry there must be something im doing wrong :frown:


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21716226 - 05/24/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have super hard water that makes it difficult to hydrate my grains...  I usually soak in store bought water, that seems to help.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Climbhigher]
    #21716230 - 05/24/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yea that's whats bugging me though after i boil the grains for 10 mintues they look like the fountain of youth being all plump and hydrated, then after i pressure cook the grains in the jars they come out looking like Hugh Hefner's ballsack.:confused:


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21716232 - 05/24/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Weird, what kind of lid tek are you using?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Climbhigher]
    #21716237 - 05/24/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My gt cakes took like 8-10 days to show signs of growth.  My z strain took 4 days.  3 days is nothing man.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Climbhigher]
    #21716241 - 05/24/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not a patient man...  This hobby is slowly changing that lol.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Climbhigher]
    #21716297 - 05/24/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i am using two layers of tyvek over the mason jar lid with the seal ring side facing upwards. also after inoc i put a layer of micropore tape over the holes, in some cases two layers of micropore tape. the same tek as matt stiddard's youtube vids for perfect rye grain spawn


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21716311 - 05/24/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It looks good to me. I think you're just over thinking things. MP tape works fine. I personally triple layer and I've just recently heard 4 layers work. I do 3 cause I'm paranoid.

I'd just let them do their thing. I seldom let my grains get wet enough to be seen on the jar walls and it works out great

What you should do now is just wait and toss if it gets moldy. In the mean time make more in case these fail so you have a crutch? The sooner the better imo. Who doesn't love new projects? :P


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Mad Season]
    #21716345 - 05/24/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ay op, sorry for describing oat prep to you. Thought that's what you were working with... my bad.

I think your jars are going to be fine, all of them. Just wait for germination. :thumbup:


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21716384 - 05/24/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for all the help guys ill get back you guys with a grow log if everything works out.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21716652 - 05/24/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I weigh my grains before and after hydrating/soaking or cooking. If they are too light I add more water to the jar or cook them again.


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: blackout]
    #21718292 - 05/24/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

so what in your opinion is a reasonable time frame to see growth in rye jars, i am starting an LC just in case these jars are a failure?


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21718300 - 05/24/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

1-3 weeks


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: Climbhigher]
    #21722130 - 05/25/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Im Starting to see myc growth!!! :grin: thanks for the help you guys!


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21722176 - 05/25/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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i let the grain soak for 18 hours with gypsum, then boiled for 10 minutes, then put in PC @ 15psi for 90 mins and i let them cool overnight in the PC before inoculation the jars are kerr 16 oz jars and i put a thin layer of dry verm at the bottom to prevent excess moisture buildup at the bottom of the jar, then i put the in a TiT for 3 days so far at 80-81F with a garbage bag over them





I would lose the garbage bag and lower the temp into the low 70s man.

Whats your room temp, is it above 60-64? If so then I would lose the incubator all together


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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21722188 - 05/25/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Im Starting to see myc growth!!! :grin: thanks for the help you guys!




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Re: grain too dry? first grow [Re: FuguFish]
    #21722612 - 05/25/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Im Starting to see myc growth!!! :grin: thanks for the help you guys!



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