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KryptonStratos
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Noob switching over to bulk
#21709601 - 05/22/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well my last few grows have been strictly PF tek and they all went great. Think its about time I stepped my game up a notch. Been looking into bulk growing quite a bit lately and I believe ive got it figured out for the most part however im still very new to this so if any of these steps I list below are inncorrect id appriciate it if someone would guide me in the right direction.
So from my understanding this is how I would approach a bulk growing operation
1. Fully colonize a few PF teks (Not exactly sure what the exact quantity should be?) 2. Get a bunch of manuer 3. Throw the manuer in a warm pot of water for about an hour (slightly confused as to the purpose of this?) 4. Transfer the manuer into a container 5. Mash up the colonized cakes in the manuer 6. Put the lid on the container 7. Store away and wait for full colonization 8. Introduce to fruiting conditions once fully colonized
Good to go?
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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2. It may be easier to get coir from the pet supply store, it's also far more forgiving
3. Pasteurization, you'd be well advised to look this up, proper temps and why it's done. Again, coir is going to be far more forgiving.
5. cakes are pretty sturdy, you may need to break them up with your hands, put gloves on I guess 
6-8 check my sig for decent links to "monotub" type grows
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You sound like you got a little bit more research to do before you jump into bulk. If you want a good fool proof tech, stick with Damion5050's Coir Tek Its pretty fool proof, and produces great results.
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Re: Noob switching over to bulk [Re: Delection]
#21709680 - 05/22/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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First off welcome to the shroomery....
If doing cakes try a mini mono or small dub tub...
Use Damion5050's Coir Tek....
Then worry about hpoo after you get it down...
Your spawn to substrate ratio can be anywhere from 1:1 up to 1:4 and be acceptable for most of the teks.
Hope this helps you.
Just pick a tek and go for it... Following instructions to the letter first time.
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KryptonStratos
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Re: Noob switching over to bulk [Re: Fog1]
#21709971 - 05/22/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Appriciate the replies. I was planning on placing a seperate container inside of my shotgun fruiting chamber and using that to hold the spawn/substrate mix. That way I could throw some perlite in to help with humidification (the seperate container would be placed on top of the pearlite inside of the fruiting chamber) as well as not have to worry about taping up the holes when awaiting colonization, instead id just pop the lid off when ready to fruit.
I could just go ahead and make a monotub along with Damions tek however I was slightly confused as to the humidification source for this tek? Im assuming it just comes from the coir/manuer correct?
Edited by KryptonStratos (05/22/15 10:34 AM)
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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correct
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KryptonStratos
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Great well that option seems exceptionally simpler so thats most likely the route ill end up going. When you pour the boiling water into the bucket however mustn't there be some sort of drainage procedure before transferring to the tub? Do you have to perfectly calculate exactly how much the substrate is capable of absorbing? What if you overshoot and there is standing water present?
I assume you could just proceed to transfer the mix into the tub, then move the tub outside or into a bathtub, then elevate the tub on one side and let the drainage pour out that way.
Guess I just answered my own question. Well thanks for the help everyone!
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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one brick of coir takes up a gallon of boiling water pretty well, in my experience;
I've never been one for "bucketing" though, I usually pasteurize my substrate in ziplock bags in a large pot;
I usually rehydrate my coir in a bucket w/1 gallon boiling water, put the lid on and let it sit, going back and mixing it up ever so often with a large spoon, make sure every bit of the coir gets rehydrated...
at that point it's good to go, but I, personally, add other stuff to it afterwards that requires proper pasteurization, I don't recommend that for beggining, I would recommend coir or coir+verm or coir+verm+gypsum for beggining
edit: and honestly, I'm not even sure my convoluted substrate recipe is of any benefit
Edited by MonkeyJesusFresco (05/22/15 11:48 AM)
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KryptonStratos
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Sweet. One thing im slightly confused about is as to why coir or manuer is suggested for these growing procedures vs the traditional brown rice flour, verm, rye berries etc that we use for cakes? If coir and or manuer is a better alternative then why arent these suggested as substrate for jars? Perhaps its a sterilization thing?
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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there are some jar recipes that call for manure instead of brown rice flour (specifically for a different species)
when we talk about using manure and coir, that's for our "bulk substrate"
when we talk about rye berries and wild birdseed, we inoculate and colonize a jar of seeds and call it "spawn", once we see growth in the jar of seeds we can shake it, seeds shake easily when prep'd right; when we shake it, we spread the mycelium around and in turn spread more growth throughout the jar, and this hurries things along.
a brown rice flour jar (pf tek/jar) is what I like to call a "substrate jar"; when we inoculate that, we're basically innoculating a substrate and fruiting right from it;
now, back to "bulk substrate"; once we have fully colonized a jar of grain, we mix it with some "bulk substrate" (coir, manure, verm, etc.)
and then that will colonize, the "bulk substrate" will do things like add beneficial microorganisms, hold in water, extra nutrients, shit like that
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KryptonStratos
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Alright so it is recommended you use rye grain jars vs pf tek jars when going for a bulk operation? And from my understanding this is because you can shake the jar and spread the mycellium all throughout where as you cannot shake a pf tek?
Edit: Also is the amount of spawn you use purely representive of the time if will take the bulk substrate to fully colonize? For example if i just used 1 quart of spawn, its not like my project would fail, it would just be a much slower process vs the traditional 5 quarts?
Edited by KryptonStratos (05/22/15 04:01 PM)
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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It is TYPICALLY recommended to spawn no more than a ratio of 1:4; spawn:bulk; as in 1 quart to 4 quarts(remind me to elaborate when I'm not on my phone
In my opinion of jars suck when it comes to bulk. You'll need a pressure cooker for doing grains, also, yes, the lower amount of spawn the longer it will take;
When mad max is over, I'll try to reply more helpfully
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KryptonStratos
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Alright great appreciate the help
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Re: Noob switching over to bulk [Re: BkillsU]
#21714490 - 05/23/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been doing PF cakes to monotubs for a while. Best thing I can do without a PC. It works quite well but I wouldn't use manure. I don't even bother to pasteurize coir anymore, it works if you just get it ready with boiling water. Cakes can colonize coir and verm in about a week.
 
Used 8 PF jars for this tub and got over 2 oz dry from the first flush. Grow log in my sig.
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