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OfflineVibez


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Weed stronger than LSD
    #21709407 - 05/22/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21709417 - 05/22/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That has to be some great weed or REALLY bad acid.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21709422 - 05/22/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vibez said:
Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?




I think so. Personally, weed has taken me a lot deeper and shown me a lot more than LSD. I can never seem to meditate properly on acid, but on weed I have gone very deep.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Fog1]
    #21709425 - 05/22/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Weed used to be very easy for me to handle. I could sit down with a couple friends and smoke 10g no problem.
Now? After intense psychedelic use, I can hardly even handle a bowl. Although Iget ccotton mouth so badly it kind of ruins it, makes my insides hurt, kind of makes me nausea.


I don't like weed like I used to.
But I think I'm at my 'mid point' of psychedelic adventuring. Meaning, I'm stuck in the middle of, I've done a lot, but I have alot more to do. So in the mean time, weed is another thing for me rn.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21709455 - 05/22/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)


It's the complete opposite for me. LSD has a shown much more than weed. I can never meditate on weed, unfortunately...but all you have to do is close your eyes on lsd, which is pure meditation. Being warped in the visuals without a single thought flowing. It seems weed produces more anxiety/paranoia than LSD...and when I smoke the herb on LSD things can get extremely bad...its rather annoying, but ohwell


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21709463 - 05/22/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

During my first months of smoking I had some pretty gnarly highs, easily powerful enough to be considered trips themselves. Marijuana in edible form brings out weeds psychedelic properties way more than smoking also. However, there's still no comparison. No amount of weed will bring you in the same ballpark as a 400ug LSD trip especially after your first few times smoking bro.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: OneBigMushroom]
    #21709499 - 05/22/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I've heard brownies produces visuals, right?. Never tried them yet, though. Obviously there is no comparison to them, but even at high doses I've never had a paranoid/sketchy headspace...All warm and cosy. Infact, the only times I've had bad trips are when I've lighted up a joint. LSD is stronger, but a good stronger. Whereas Weed is stronger, but a bad stronger..

People always say if your mind struggles with weed, never take LSD. I don't get it.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21710692 - 05/22/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i don't know what youre talking about?

are you really asking if a plant is stronger than something synthesized into a highly potent substance where 2 drops can equal an affective dose.

idk man i have been REALLY high on weed trust me i smoke more than people probably should and even when i started i never got as high as i did on an eight of shrooms so i doubt that weed of all things could be stronger than acid like ever.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21710801 - 05/22/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed used to be very easy for me to handle. I could sit down with a couple friends and smoke 10g no problem.
Now? After intense psychedelic use, I can hardly even handle a bowl. Although Iget ccotton mouth so badly it kind of ruins it, makes my insides hurt, kind of makes me nausea.


I don't like weed like I used to.
But I think I'm at my 'mid point' of psychedelic adventuring. Meaning, I'm stuck in the middle of, I've done a lot, but I have alot more to do. So in the mean time, weed is another thing for me rn.



It's actually a relief to hear someone else say this ha ha.


Anyway no, I don't think weed could ever be more powerful than LSD. I experience a lot more anxiety with weed than I used to a few years ago (ever since delving into the psychedelic cosmos) and that for me sometimes makes the head space harder to handle than a full blown acid trip, but that's due to my own subjective emotions, I would never really consider weed to be more powerful in any respect.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21710839 - 05/22/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You must pay 10$ a hit?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21722115 - 05/25/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i've smoked very high quality weed for over 10 years, with a break every now and then.  i've also used LSD a couple hundred times over those 10 years.  i gotta say that, there were times when I smoked one small hit of weed, and was blasted into a headspace that rivaled the LSD experience. of course, it wasn't quite as visual as LSD can be, but it made me question whether or not I could continue smoking weed...


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21722128 - 05/25/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?




You didn't get lsd if you're thinking this


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21722334 - 05/25/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Weed used to be very intense and immersive in the beginning of smoking weed.

But once I had my first, very powerful, first hit of Acid. I was taking MUCH farther than any weed trip Ive had.

The only thing that came close was Mescajuana, weed and mescaline. It was similar to Acid but Acid was still its unique, deep, intense experience.

Weed can be intense as a trip, but LSD is so much more deeper and mystical.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21722450 - 05/25/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Weed used to be very intense and immersive in the beginning of smoking weed.

But once I had my first, very powerful, first hit of Acid. I was taking MUCH farther than any weed trip Ive had.

The only thing that came close was Mescajuana, weed and mescaline. It was similar to Acid but Acid was still its unique, deep, intense experience.

Weed can be intense as a trip, but LSD is so much more deeper and mystical.





Not even at the highest dosages will weed produce anything like LSD.

I frequently eat 1000mg brownies, I have ate multiple at once. 

Visuals are dependent on the person for brownies, I have only got visuals off BHO personally.

I will say though, I have got in some pretty deep headspaces off brownies + bho.  I find them to be very comfortable and easy to manage.  Even a tiny dose of LSD blows away anything you can get from Cannabis though.

Edit : I will like to add.  When you go above 1g of THC, things get difficult.. It becomes one of the harder drugs to manage.  The bodyload is too intense for people and they just shut down.  I have gave small amounts of my brownie out to people.  NOBODY seems to be able to stay awake from even a mere 500mg dose.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21722526 - 05/25/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like all true psychedelics are much more powerful than other drugs. That includes weed (and other drugs like opiates, stimulants, alcohol, etc). The thing with weed though is it is stuck somewhere inbetween those "other" drugs and psychedelics. I want to say weed is both at the same time, but really it isn't quite either. Your mind is dulled, and you are artificially relaxed. ON the contrary, you are put in a psychedelic headspace and get some classical psychedelic effects like visuals and profound ideas/realizations.


That being said, weed isn't as powerful as psychedelics, but it is more powerful than other classes of drugs. Because of that, it really should go into a class of it's own.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21722547 - 05/25/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I cannot imagine being able to be forced asleep by weed anymore.

The only time it happened was the first time I ever consumed cannabis. It was a dab of some indica. I blacked out and then woke up nodding in and out of sleep.

Every other time I have been able to fight the sleepiness, even with VERY high doses (tons of edibles, several joints, lots of dabs all at once)


In my experience, at high doses weed becomes a disassociative. There comes a point where you can't fight the experience, and you have to let go.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21722570 - 05/25/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I cannot imagine being able to be forced asleep by weed anymore.

The only time it happened was the first time I ever consumed cannabis. It was a dab of some indica. I blacked out and then woke up nodding in and out of sleep.

Every other time I have been able to fight the sleepiness, even with VERY high doses (tons of edibles, several joints, lots of dabs all at once)


In my experience, at high doses weed becomes a disassociative. There comes a point where you can't fight the experience, and you have to let go.





What kinda dosages are we talking about here..  Everybody says high dose edibles, then I have to point out they only ate a 200mg cookie or something.  You can fight the sleep sure.. I do just fine on them.  Normal people don't stand a chance though.  Maybe if you dab all day every day for a month can you walk into one of these suckers and come out being and to walk.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21722591 - 05/25/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The most weed I ever had in my system was:

4 edibles with 4g of dank in each one (~1.3g THC)

3 joints (.5-.9g) (~25% THC weed)

And 6-7 50mg dabs (by weigh) (~80% THC)


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21722629 - 05/25/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i find psychedelics have a more clear head space than bud but i wouldn't say bud is stronger


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: innerspeaker1967]
    #21722734 - 05/25/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

no amount of weed or bho  ever in my heavy tokin days could knock me out js I have a body made for weed as I say.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21722905 - 05/25/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The most weed I ever had in my system was:

4 edibles with 4g of dank in each one (~1.3g THC)

3 joints (.5-.9g) (~25% THC weed)

And 6-7 50mg dabs (by weigh) (~80% THC)




4gx4 of dank will only be around 800mg maximum, not 1.3g


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21723107 - 05/25/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, good point. I was thinking 5 edibles not 4


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21723541 - 05/26/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In many ways, weed is a mellow drug with low toxicity.

But.... But... But ... In a narrow sense, it IS stronger than LSD or shrooms.

The only time I've poured car wash detergent into a houseplant pot was while stoned on weed.
The time I claimed that "real men don't need the toilet" was while stoned on weed.

These things are funny, but stem from dangerous levels of confusion.

Like someone said earlier, there's a dissociative effect from cannabis which goes deeper than other drugs, and I find it easy to get in that state from a small amount of it, having quit a regular stoning habit, I now see that it's very potent in terms of headspace and it lingers in my body causing side effects for weeks.

I don't do LSD anymore because psilocybin is much better and more safely dosed.
Psilocybin is more satisfying, yet less emotionally destructive than weed, and it doesn't cause me to really stupid things, like weed does. There's always part of me unaffected by shrooms.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21723934 - 05/26/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Vibez said:
Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?



You haven't taken enough LSD.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21724091 - 05/26/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not saying weed is ultimately stronger than LSD. Obviously cid is more complex and mind altering than cannabis, with its visual and deep introspection. However, I think weeds "head space" is more intense than Acids head space. For me weed makes me more prone to paranoia, I get racy thoughts, high heart rate etc...and with big tolerance breaks the head space is not far of from lsd. Cid is electrical, warm and pure fun. I think theres more chance of a bad trip with a big blunt than 200ug of cid. Imo.

If weed was a hallucinogen similar to lsd I would have to say it would be stronger, though.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21724096 - 05/26/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have taken 3 tabs of real cid, from a trusted source from a trusted friend. I have never tested, so I can't be 100% sure...I tripped really hard though!


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21724401 - 05/26/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

marijuana makes me more anti-social, paranoid, quiet...etc..than LSD.

So, in that case I do believe its stronger than acid.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21724441 - 05/26/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Subjectively negative effects correlate to potency?

I can't think of any negative effects of using DMT occasionally, do it must be weak shit?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21724574 - 05/26/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well, weeds headfuck is so great that it makes me paranoid and all that..

I would say the headfuck is more potent with weed.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21724586 - 05/26/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I don't get that at all. i've been a chronic a long time though. That being said I definitely do recognize that it has power. I've had psychedelic revelations from weed that have been just as insightful, deep, or out there, as any other psychedelic.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21725306 - 05/26/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Weed is nowhere even remotely close to LSD. I've been so fucked off of edibles that I couldn't even move, but acid can convert your thoughts into bundles of synesthetic information far more complex than any human language. Paranoia and absent mindedness just doesn't compare to that. Cannabis is a very useful and powerful psychoactive tool, but equating it to something like LSD is just silly.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21725562 - 05/26/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

obviously weed doesn't make you hallucinate and is totally different than acid.

im just saying that weed makes me paranoid and feel sketched out and self-conscious and hallucinogens don't do that at all


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21725590 - 05/26/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Weed is nowhere even remotely close to LSD. I've been so fucked off of edibles that I couldn't even move, but acid can convert your thoughts into bundles of synesthetic information far more complex than any human language. Paranoia and absent mindedness just doesn't compare to that. Cannabis is a very useful and powerful psychoactive tool, but equating it to something like LSD is just silly.



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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21726837 - 05/26/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Weed is nowhere even remotely close to LSD. I've been so fucked off of edibles that I couldn't even move, but acid can convert your thoughts into bundles of synesthetic information far more complex than any human language. Paranoia and absent mindedness just doesn't compare to that. Cannabis is a very useful and powerful psychoactive tool, but equating it to something like LSD is just silly.



But what if you chugged a melted block of potent mjay butter?




I have chugged a potent mjay butter.. Well, I melted it down and took 2 shots of it.  They were rather large shots though.

Bill, your being a fucking retard as usual.

My experience : I know the butter was less potent than any brownie I have ate or combinations.  I have ate 2 Korova black bars, which net 2g of thc.  2 Full grams of THC was no match for what my friends and I endured that .. well, it lasted 3 days.

It was straight out of the movie hangover, all 3 of us were lost.. We have no recollection of the next 2 days and the 3rd day felt like hell.  Apparently we were driving, going to peoples houses, watching movies, sleeping on their couches. Driving to the store.. you know carrying on life as normal.  I have never been higher in my life off any substance and I am still trying to grasp how this actually happened.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21727193 - 05/27/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have chugged a potent mjay butter.. Well, I melted it down and took 2 shots of it.  They were rather large shots though.

Bill, your being a fucking retard as usual.

My experience : I know the butter was less potent than any brownie I have ate or combinations.  I have ate 2 Korova black bars, which net 2g of thc.  2 Full grams of THC was no match for what my friends and I endured that .. well, it lasted 3 days.

It was straight out of the movie hangover, all 3 of us were lost.. We have no recollection of the next 2 days and the 3rd day felt like hell.  Apparently we were driving, going to peoples houses, watching movies, sleeping on their couches. Driving to the store.. you know carrying on life as normal.  I have never been higher in my life off any substance and I am still trying to grasp how this actually happened.




Sounds like a pretty crazy experience. I've never heard of a single dose of cannabis lasting that long, but my point still stands. You can only compare the strength of drugs at the same dosage. Try taking 2g of LSD like Robert Hunter and get back to me. :eek:


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21727248 - 05/27/15 01:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have chugged a potent mjay butter.. Well, I melted it down and took 2 shots of it.  They were rather large shots though.

Bill, your being a fucking retard as usual.

My experience : I know the butter was less potent than any brownie I have ate or combinations.  I have ate 2 Korova black bars, which net 2g of thc.  2 Full grams of THC was no match for what my friends and I endured that .. well, it lasted 3 days.

It was straight out of the movie hangover, all 3 of us were lost.. We have no recollection of the next 2 days and the 3rd day felt like hell.  Apparently we were driving, going to peoples houses, watching movies, sleeping on their couches. Driving to the store.. you know carrying on life as normal.  I have never been higher in my life off any substance and I am still trying to grasp how this actually happened.




Sounds like a pretty crazy experience. I've never heard of a single dose of cannabis lasting that long, but my point still stands. You can only compare the strength of drugs at the same dosage. Try taking 2g of LSD like Robert Hunter and get back to me. :eek:





I am big guy, THC seems to stop working around 1.3g.  I know LSD is the same thing.  Not precise on the measurement, but you dont need 2g of LSD to saturate.  I think like, 15,000UG was the area where diminishing returns are not worth going further depending on how your body handles it


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
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I am big guy, THC seems to stop working around 1.3g.  I know LSD is the same thing.  Not precise on the measurement, but you dont need 2g of LSD to saturate.  I think like, 15,000UG was the area where diminishing returns are not worth going further depending on how your body handles it




Do you know this from personal experience or do you have a source? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious. 15,000ug is about a sheet and a half of good acid, which is a pretty insane dose. Another thing to consider is that there may be a discernible difference between such a dose and, say, a thumbprint (about 100mg), but either experience would be too much for the brain to remember. The problem is that there hasn't been a whole lot of good peer reviewed research on psychedelics, let alone extreme doses.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21727468 - 05/27/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Weed is nowhere even remotely close to LSD. I've been so fucked off of edibles that I couldn't even move, but acid can convert your thoughts into bundles of synesthetic information far more complex than any human language. Paranoia and absent mindedness just doesn't compare to that. Cannabis is a very useful and powerful psychoactive tool, but equating it to something like LSD is just silly.



But what if you chugged a melted block of potent mjay butter?




I have chugged a potent mjay butter.. Well, I melted it down and took 2 shots of it.  They were rather large shots though.


Bill, your being a fucking retard as usual.

My experience : I know the butter was less potent than any brownie I have ate or combinations.  I have ate 2 Korova black bars, which net 2g of thc.  2 Full grams of THC was no match for what my friends and I endured that .. well, it lasted 3 days.

It was straight out of the movie hangover, all 3 of us were lost.. We have no recollection of the next 2 days and the 3rd day felt like hell.  Apparently we were driving, going to peoples houses, watching movies, sleeping on their couches. Driving to the store.. you know carrying on life as normal.  I have never been higher in my life off any substance and I am still trying to grasp how this actually happened.




I personally thought bill was spot on. Ime


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21727668 - 05/27/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I am big guy, THC seems to stop working around 1.3g.  I know LSD is the same thing.  Not precise on the measurement, but you dont need 2g of LSD to saturate.  I think like, 15,000UG was the area where diminishing returns are not worth going further depending on how your body handles it




Do you know this from personal experience or do you have a source? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious. 15,000ug is about a sheet and a half of good acid, which is a pretty insane dose. Another thing to consider is that there may be a discernible difference between such a dose and, say, a thumbprint (about 100mg), but either experience would be too much for the brain to remember. The problem is that there hasn't been a whole lot of good peer reviewed research on psychedelics, let alone extreme doses.




I have lots and LOTS of experience with very potent edibles (the strongest in the US).  I have tried everything from 2g down to 1.1g, for me that cuttoff point is right at 1.3g where nothing I do gets me higher, even smoking.

As far as LSD, I have plenty of experience with it, just not over 1000ug.  I based my information about all the thumbprint posts I have read and through their experiences they are saying that a thumbprint is not only overkill, you are very unlikely to remember what happened.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21727681 - 05/27/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Lsd gets you way more fucked up than weed.. Unless you have some kind of weird allergy to weed that creates a bi product that fucks you up.. man.. Lsd has torn the fabric of time, endless loop until you get it right... weed has made me pretty baked and even had me seing swirls of colours in my mind, but never anything close to LSD


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    #21727768 - 05/27/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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marijuana makes me more anti-social, paranoid, quiet...etc..than LSD.

So, in that case I do believe its stronger than acid.





You agree with this ... why?

How is this good information?

Just because bill cant handle his shit on edibles, does not give it the power to be stronger than acid in any way.

This is the stuff he posts, his personal experiences overshadow the worlds experience every time.  He's a fucking retarded addict that has nothing better to do other than to impose his will on unsuspecting people while handling out garbage parroted information.

"obviously weed doesn't make you hallucinate and is totally different than acid.

im just saying that weed makes me paranoid and feel sketched out and self-conscious and hallucinogens don't do that at all"

Weed can totally make you "hallucinate", give spiritual experiences and provide deep insight.  It's just REALLLLY fucking hard to navigate the space it is in.  You need to be eating edibles for years before you can actually be well adjusted to having your mind in this experience. 

It is no where near of the "headfuck" of acid if you have done good acid.  This is not a blanket personal statement, this is seen in trip report after trip report.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21727790 - 05/27/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well I don't think anyone here thinks you can actually get higher with weed, but what is higher? Is higher better? What if you arnt the highest you've ever been but it's still the best high you've ever had?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21727799 - 05/27/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is that he correlates negative ability to navigate the high as well as undesirable symptoms to conclude it's potency. That's because he thinks psychedelics make him some kind of ultra-intelligent superhero wizard.


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    #21727827 - 05/27/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think that most people who think they have tried LSD actually have, I think people get fed N-benzyl-methoxy-phenethylamine (NBOMe's), compounds., compounds from the  the DOx series, xxx-LAD series compounds, LSx series compounds, or any number of analogues, then will make statements about LSD that are incredibly far from what LSD does, because little do these people know they have never taken LSD.

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21727853 - 05/27/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think that goes for a lot of older people too. I've talked to people in their 40's and 50's who used to trip all the time and I remember descriptions of acid that wasn't very visual, acid that tasted funny, acid that didn't last very long, acid that lasted for DAYS. Overall though, it seems like it's prevalence hasn't dimishished, if anything it's just as available or more. The issue is the availablility of other compounds. So while I do agree to some extent, I think the group you speak of is less prevalent than you might think.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21728086 - 05/27/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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marijuana makes me more anti-social, paranoid, quiet...etc..than LSD.

So, in that case I do believe its stronger than acid.





You agree with this ... why?

How is this good information?

Just because bill cant handle his shit on edibles, does not give it the power to be stronger than acid in any way.

This is the stuff he posts, his personal experiences overshadow the worlds experience every time.  He's a fucking retarded addict that has nothing better to do other than to impose his will on unsuspecting people while handling out garbage parroted information.

"obviously weed doesn't make you hallucinate and is totally different than acid.

im just saying that weed makes me paranoid and feel sketched out and self-conscious and hallucinogens don't do that at all"

Weed can totally make you "hallucinate", give spiritual experiences and provide deep insight.  It's just REALLLLY fucking hard to navigate the space it is in.  You need to be eating edibles for years before you can actually be well adjusted to having your mind in this experience. 

It is no where near of the "headfuck" of acid if you have done good acid.  This is not a blanket personal statement, this is seen in trip report after trip report.





:lol:

butthurt much?


weed doesn't give me open-eye visuals. Weed makes me paranoid if I do not have a tolerance and weed makes me feel sketchy.

LSD doesn't do that. It gives me open eye visuals.


You following along billy? derp


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21728310 - 05/27/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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weed doesn't give me open-eye visuals. Weed makes me paranoid if I do not have a tolerance and weed makes me feel sketchy.

LSD doesn't do that. It gives me open eye visuals.




And for that reason I think weed is stronger than LSD, mentally. LSD and weed are both psychedelics, LSD just "unlocks" more features if you will. LSD is ultimatly better and more profound, but for me weed is stronger(and in a bad way)....I'm just seeking people that have the same view point as me...I'm not saying LSD is lesser than  weed.


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    #21728323 - 05/27/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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weed doesn't give me open-eye visuals. Weed makes me paranoid if I do not have a tolerance and weed makes me feel sketchy.

LSD doesn't do that. It gives me open eye visuals.




And for that reason I think weed is stronger than LSD, mentally. LSD and weed are both psychedelics, LSD just "unlocks" more features if you will. LSD is ultimatly better and more profound, but for me weed is stronger(and in a bad way)....I'm just seeking people that have the same view point as me...I'm not saying LSD is lesser than  weed.





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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21728328 - 05/27/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That logic is so flawed.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21728330 - 05/27/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

these substances affect different people differently.

I smoke weed everyday and have been smoking everyday for 5 years.

I have never taken acid so I don't REALLY have a frame for reference other than shrooms but I know if I took acid it would be stronger to me than weed.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728370 - 05/27/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What kind of weed are you guys smoking that's stronger than lsd? A ten strip can blow a good amount of marijuana out the water any given day. Lol this argument is so silly. Just another weed bashing thread IMO.

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Kinshino]
    #21728377 - 05/27/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

We can stop proving arguments for why the OP is wrong, he simply hasn't taken enough acid.  We all know he's being silly/dramatic.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21728385 - 05/27/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well like some of you have said he migt just get shitty acid and his weed is better hahahaha but obviously something synthesized will always be stronger than something natural.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728390 - 05/27/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's wrong. Salvia is active at the microgram level. DMT and psilocybin only need a few mgs to be felt.

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728398 - 05/27/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ever hear of organic chemistry?

dmt is synthesized and salvia ( )x is synthesized Im sure.

psilocybin in nature takes like an 8th of shrooms to blast off and that's still not that strong IME not as strong as the way people describe lsd and dmt.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728427 - 05/27/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

nobody is saying marijuana is stronger than LSD


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728463 - 05/27/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ever hear of organic chemistry?

dmt is synthesized and salvia ( )x is synthesized Im sure.

psilocybin in nature takes like an 8th of shrooms to blast off and that's still not that strong IME not as strong as the way people describe lsd and dmt.



Shrooms are not psilocybin. :facepalm:

Shrooms contain psilocybin. An 8th of shrooms is not 3.5g of psilocybin.

Dude, just no.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21728635 - 05/27/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Weed and LSD are completely incomparable, also everything depends on dosage and tolerance


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728797 - 05/27/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ever hear of organic chemistry?

dmt is synthesized and salvia ( )x is synthesized Im sure.

psilocybin in nature takes like an 8th of shrooms to blast off and that's still not that strong IME not as strong as the way people describe lsd and dmt.



Shrooms are not psilocybin. :facepalm:

Shrooms contain psilocybin. An 8th of shrooms is not 3.5g of psilocybin.

Dude, just no.





I didnt say that? reread it my friend obviously YOU are talking about synthesized psilocybin.

do you even know what synthesized means?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728830 - 05/27/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Synthesize implies a chemical reaction that produces a new substance.

Those plants do that way before you get anywhere near them.

Lay off the weed.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728839 - 05/27/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728846 - 05/27/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There are more than just one chemical in shrooms and weed. Weed especially. That is why it is sad to see pure thc being used in marijuana studies. Nature has placed all of these extra alkaloids in these plants to offer a different a experience than pure anything.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21728853 - 05/27/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think some of these people need to touch up on their research. I check my shit before I post I am certain those guys didn't.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728858 - 05/27/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

DMT is a natural product, you extract it from a fucking bark. Same with each material I presented, they are substances extracted from a natural source. I didn't change the definition of anything, you simply don't understand.

You said natural products can't compare to synthesized ones.
Just because you extract a chemical from organic material, that doesn't make it a synthesis.
I can name a bunch more natural chemicals that are highly potent.
Ever heard of morphine?
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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728864 - 05/27/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Here's an example- why do people call synthnoids synthnoids? What does the word synthetic mean? Why is THC not a synthnoid?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21728906 - 05/27/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.

and it can be synthesized so???

and that's one (bad) example,  not "a bunch more"

drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.

how you are arguing with this?

and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21728909 - 05/27/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.



DMT is almost always extracted, but can be synthesized, as can psilocybin be synthesized. But they are chemicals that come from nature.

LSD is a semi-synthetic substance if I remember correctly. Because it is synthesized from a natural occurring alkaloid in the ergot fungus.


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    #21728918 - 05/27/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.

and it can be synthesized so???

and that's one (bad) example,  not "a bunch more"

drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.

how you are arguing with this?

and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?



For fuck sakes. I'm done.

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    #21728925 - 05/27/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.



DMT is almost always extracted, but can be synthesized, as can psilocybin be synthesized. But they are chemicals that come from nature.

LSD is a semi-synthetic substance if I remember correctly. Because it is synthesized from a natural occurring alkaloid in the ergot fungus.





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morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.

and it can be synthesized so???

and that's one (bad) example,  not "a bunch more"

drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.

how you are arguing with this?

and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?



For fuck sakes. I'm done.

Actually read shit, don't go around claiming you know things you don't know.





I still cant find your made up word anywhere I found a pill or something called "synthroid" still nothing about "synthnoids?"


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    #21728955 - 05/27/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

He said it CAN be synthesized, so can many other things. It's pretty sad that you're trying to let people take credit for millions/billions of years of evolution.


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    #21728961 - 05/27/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Different class, different receptors, different biological/psychological effect. Apples vs oranges.


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    #21729050 - 05/27/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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He said it CAN be synthesized, so can many other things. It's pretty sad that you're trying to let people take credit for millions/billions of years of evolution.





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    #21729216 - 05/27/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I want to add some more comments to this thread.

First of all, stronger perhaps isn't the right word because what do we mean by stronger? and at what dose?

For example, weed for me is a lot stronger than LSD in the sense that on a few hits of LSD, I can go around in public, talk to people, etc and have them not know I am tripping. If I smoke a joint, I cannot do that. Weed also can make me feel more confused than LSD and I feel like I am more deeper into myself on weed, whereas LSD is a much more extroverted experience. In fact, LSD would be my favorite drug for socializing on if only it didnt last so long and keep me awake all night.

Weed has also given me far more spiritual insight than LSD. But having said that, in no way am I claiming that smoking a joint will be a more shattering experience than taking a 10 strip of LSD. Of course a high dose of LSD is going to do things to your mind, that weed just does not do.

And yet, weed is a trip every bit on the level of LSD/shrooms imo but people dont realize it because they smoke weed often and grow accustomed to the effects. But if you take several months off weed and then eat a heap of good edibles, you will most certainly trip.

Also I have never experienced synthesia on LSD at all, even when I ate a ten strip of potent acid. On weed I get this effect any time I take a strong dose of edibles.


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    #21729388 - 05/27/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, saying that synthesized compounds are always stronger than natural ones is completely moronic. Is ibuprofen stronger that botulinum toxin? A 50mg dose of extracted DMT will do the exact same thing as a 50mg dose of synthesized DMT. There is no such thing as a concentrated form of a pure chemical either.

Also, LSD has a much greater variation in how it effects different people than THC or other cannabinoids. It's also affected by set and setting, which cannabis is not. These substances are extremely different, and comparing their subjective strength is pointless.

Even still, we can easily draw objective conclusions. If you smoke a gram of 20% THC weed (200mg total THC), and then compare to a 200mg dose of LSD, you will realize very quickly which is the more powerful drug.


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    #21729422 - 05/27/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol comparing 200mg of THC to 200mg of LSD? Have you even heard of binding affinity before? :lol: Physically, LSD is stronger per MG than almost (if not ALL) other drugs.

And like I said before, you cannot compare the two because THC isn't a true psychedelic. It is both a psychedelic and an intoxicant, which is a class of it's own. LSD is a true psychedelic.

That is why you can compare weed to psychedelics, opiates, stimulants, and even benzos. Although they share many things with all of those drugs, weed will never give you the full effect of any other drug. It is it's own drug with so many similarities to others. LSD is a psychedelic, and just a psychedelic!


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    #21729430 - 05/27/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you guys realize were arguing about how we actually agree with eachother. lsd is obviously stronger than weed. 
im not arguing against that im supporting that since lsd is WAY more affective at smaller doses it will obviously be a stronger high, dose to dose.

can someone please tell me where that dude came up with synthnoids?
still cant find it anywhere I have found synth noids, but no synthnoids?
synth noids are synthetic cannabinoids or something and doesn't have to do with dmt or psilocybin.


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    #21729440 - 05/27/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

THC has never been synthesized before. Just because it affects cannabinoid receptors doesn't mean it's a cannabinoid. Sorry, but I actually don't believe a cannabinoid has EVER been synthesized (aside from marinol, which isn't actually real THC), it is pretty much impossible.

I am pretty sure the same goes for opiates too (though don't quote me on it). If I am not mistaking, ALL opiates are either opiods or opiod derivatives (opiod = derived from opium poppy)


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    #21729464 - 05/27/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

haha what about jwh? and all other synthetic cannabinoids?


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    #21729468 - 05/27/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Those aren't cannabinoids :facepalm:

Just because it affects the cannabinoid receptor doesn't mean it is a cannbinoid.

That is like saying menthol (an opiod receptor agonist) is an opiate


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    #21729490 - 05/27/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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lol comparing 200mg of THC to 200mg of LSD? Have you even heard of binding affinity before? :lol: Physically, LSD is stronger per MG than almost (if not ALL) other drugs.

And like I said before, you cannot compare the two because THC isn't a true psychedelic. It is both a psychedelic and an intoxicant, which is a class of it's own. LSD is a true psychedelic.

That is why you can compare weed to psychedelics, opiates, stimulants, and even benzos. Although they share many things with all of those drugs, weed will never give you the full effect of any other drug. It is it's own drug with so many similarities to others. LSD is a psychedelic, and just a psychedelic!




I completely agree. They're subjectively incomparable, leaving us with only an objective point of comparison, where LSD is clearly more potent. Regardless, comparing these substances seems to be illogical and ultimately useless. I still can't comprehend how cannabis could be perceived as more intense than LSD in any way, though.


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    #21729491 - 05/27/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you sure about that cheech? :cheech:

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729544 - 05/27/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Are you trolling?


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    #21729619 - 05/27/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

is that what you say when you lose an argument?


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    #21729620 - 05/27/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If I have no tolerance to weed and I smoke something strong, I'll get a panic attack which can be similar to a panic attack while tripping. That's the only similarity.

People like to say that Cannabis is a psychedelic, but I don't buy it. I see very clear differences between the two. Cannabis is in a class of it's own, period.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Universe]
    #21729625 - 05/27/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If I have no tolerance to weed and I smoke something strong, I'll get a panic attack which can be similar to a panic attack while tripping. That's the only similarity.

People like to say that Cannabis is a psychedelic, but I don't buy it. I see very clear differences between the two. Cannabis is in a class of it's own, period.




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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729626 - 05/27/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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is that what you say when you lose an argument?



I haven't lost anything. I was right about everything I said, you just don't understand the information presented to you.

JWH isn't a cannabinoid. If JWH is a cannabinoid then Salvia is an opioid. Which is wrong.


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    #21729630 - 05/27/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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you sure about that cheech? :cheech:

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Pretty damn sure, yes. Infact I am positive. This should also answer your question about synthnoids. By the way, it is just an abbreviation for synthetic cannabinoids. (You should also note that synthnoids are NOT cannabinoids)

"There is controversy about calling Spice and K2 synthetic cannabis. Synthetic marijuana is a misnomer according to Lewis Nelson, MD, a medical toxicologist at the NYU School of Medicine. "It's really quite different, and the effects are much more unpredictable. It's dangerous, and there is no quality control in what you are getting."[4] Since the term synthetic does not apply to the plant but rather to the chemical that the plant contains (tetrahydrocannabinol), the term synthetic cannabinoid is more appropriate.[5] Research on the safety of synthetic cannabinoids is now becoming available. Initial studies are focused on the role of synthetic cannabinoids in psychosis. Synthetic cannabis may precipitate psychosis and in some cases it may be prolonged. Some studies suggest that synthetic cannabinoid intoxication is associated with acute psychosis, worsening of previously stable psychotic disorders, and it may trigger a chronic (long-term) psychotic disorder among vulnerable individuals such as those with a family history of mental illness."

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    #21729649 - 05/27/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

where do you get your info? other than you made it up to justify your own views.

im actually researching and posting real definitions.

you have not presented on bit of info you have gotten from another source seems like you just talk from your ass.
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your post talks about the controvery, too bad its still classified as a synthetic cannabinoid even though you just wish it weren't.

I didn't say synthnoids that's a made up word, I said synth noids.

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    #21729657 - 05/27/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dude it is just a different spelling of it... it means the same thing


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    #21729682 - 05/27/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

actually one is two words and one is one word.

he said all synthesized drugs are called synthnoids but that word doesn't exist.

I have only seen the word synth noids in one place.

im not the one making up words. im not the one reclassifying substances.


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    #21729698 - 05/27/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he said all synthesized drugs are called synthnoids but that word doesn't exist.

im not the one making up words. im not the one reclassifying substances.




Ah I understand now. Yes, he is wrong. Synthnoid (or synth noid, whichever you prefer...) means SYNTHetic cannabiNOID and nothing else.

And I am not reclassifying substances..... There are endocannabinoids (anandamide for example, ones made by the body), normal cannabinoids (or phytocannabinoid if you will), and synthetic cannabinoids. They can never be like the other ones. Normal cannabinoids are fat soluble for instance, whereas endocannabinoids are not.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729704 - 05/27/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say that. Just shut the fuck up, you're mentally deficient.


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    #21729712 - 05/27/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Here's an example- why do people call synthnoids synthnoids? What does the word synthetic mean? Why is THC not a synthnoid?




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    #21729718 - 05/27/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he said all synthesized drugs are called synthnoids but that word doesn't exist.

im not the one making up words. im not the one reclassifying substances.




Ah I understand now. Yes, he is wrong. Synthnoid (or synth noid, whichever you prefer...) means SYNTHetic cannabiNOID and nothing else.

And I am not reclassifying substances..... There are endocannabinoids (anandamide for example, ones made by the body), normal cannabinoids (or phytocannabinoid if you will), and synthetic cannabinoids. They can never be like the other ones. Normal cannabinoids are fat soluble for instance, whereas endocannabinoids are not.


http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm058183t




thank you for understanding. I get what youre saying as well but cannabinoid is a cannabinoid whether the word synthetic is in front or not.
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I didn't say that. Just shut the fuck up, you're mentally deficient.




you mad bro haha
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Here's an example- why do people call synthnoids synthnoids? What does the word synthetic mean? Why is THC not a synthnoid?




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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729737 - 05/27/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I see your comprehension of my inflection is as thourough here as it is anywhere else you apply yourself.


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    #21729747 - 05/27/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hell no :lol:


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    #21729754 - 05/27/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thorough* :lol:


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    #21729764 - 05/27/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There are different types of cannabinoids that behave differently. How hard is that to understand?


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    #21729773 - 05/27/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

calling them by what they are is misleading... gotchya....


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    #21729796 - 05/27/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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lol comparing 200mg of THC to 200mg of LSD? Have you even heard of binding affinity before? :lol: Physically, LSD is stronger per MG than almost (if not ALL) other drugs.

And like I said before, you cannot compare the two because THC isn't a true psychedelic. It is both a psychedelic and an intoxicant, which is a class of it's own. LSD is a true psychedelic.

That is why you can compare weed to psychedelics, opiates, stimulants, and even benzos. Although they share many things with all of those drugs, weed will never give you the full effect of any other drug. It is it's own drug with so many similarities to others. LSD is a psychedelic, and just a psychedelic!




I completely agree. They're subjectively incomparable, leaving us with only an objective point of comparison, where LSD is clearly more potent. Regardless, comparing these substances seems to be illogical and ultimately useless. I still can't comprehend how cannabis could be perceived as more intense than LSD in any way, though.




Didn't my post explain it? FOr me, cannabis is a lot more intense than LSD in the following ways:

- I can interact with people very well on LSD, on cannabis I cannot.

- Weed causes much more paranoia for me and cuts through my ego, whereas LSD tends to initiaully reduce my ego but then intensify it. If i eat a bunch of cannabis edibles, I trip out and feel like I am really on the "edge" of something big, on LSD I am usually relaxed and nowhere near my "edge".


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    #21729802 - 05/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, because calling them that implies that they are synthesized versions of naturally occurring cannabinoids. These synthetic cannabinoids may exhibit some characteristics of those that naturally occur, but are ultimately different compounds and will behave differently in certain situations.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729828 - 05/27/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ah I see what you are saying. is there any work going on to classify them outside of  synthetic cannabinoids?

it didn't come from the cannabis plant so it shouldn't be classified as such. is this what youre getting at?

its molecule structure is what I believe gets it its classification. its similar to cannabinoids.

I agree it shouldnt be considered a synthetic cannabinoid but it is sooooo....... yknow. im not gonna jump hoops around the word synthetic cannabinoid if their is no other word to use to describe substances such as jwh.

is their a better word to use? or no because its not been classified yet?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729862 - 05/27/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Synthetic cannabinoid is the technically correct term, it's just a bit misleading unless clarifications are made when comparing them to natural cannabinoids.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729886 - 05/27/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i used to have a lot  blotter when I was a teenager,I'd get half sheets or a sheet all the time. i've had probably over a hundred trips, or close to it.. some acid was better than others, but If I never tried the real lsd.. then fuck.. I want to try it.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729888 - 05/27/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what is the difference I have smoked some synthetic weed that felt like nothing compared to weed and some that blow me away and others that had me freaking out paranoid.

it does feel similar to weed though. what other parts of the brain cause the high other than its affect on the endocannabinoid recpetors?

btw i hope im not coming off sarcastic, im genuinely asking. also mad respect for actually contributing productively.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729937 - 05/27/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

never have I smoked weed and woke up in a different dimension..


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: abductee]
    #21729941 - 05/27/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

take a hit and trip... man, I remember smoking weed to come down.lol


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729958 - 05/27/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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what is the difference I have smoked some synthetic weed that felt like nothing compared to weed and some that blow me away and others that had me freaking out paranoid.

it does feel similar to weed though. what other parts of the brain cause the high other than its affect on the endocannabinoid recpetors?

btw i hope im not coming off sarcastic, im genuinely asking. also mad respect for actually contributing productively.




The neurochemistry involving cannabinoids is fairly advanced and I am by no means an expert, I'm just explaining it as I understand it.

These 'synthetic weed' drugs are various very specific and complicated synthetic cannabinoid compounds. The term synthetic marijuana is a misnomer because real cannabis contains hundreds if not thousands of natural cannabinoids, some of which are psychoactive. These synthetic drugs on the other hand, are synthetic analogues that behave roughly like some of the natural cannabinoids found in cannabis. The effects of these drugs can vary wildly, and I don't recommend using them until further research has been done. Real cannabis is much safer and more versatile.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729973 - 05/27/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i remember reading when the spice craze was booming that jwh affected the same receptors thc did just much stronger like 6x or something idk it was years ago.

that whole fitting like a key thing you can find on youtube of how thc affects the mind and gets one "high"


jwh fits in the same "keyhole" as thc


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9] * 1
    #21730083 - 05/27/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, that keyhole is the CB1 and CB2 receptor. CB1 is the brain/CNS receptor, while CB2 is the body receptor (head high vs. body high).

Since JWH and other compounds belong to a technically different class of cannabinoids, they have vastly different psychoactive characteristics. The reason it kind of feels like weed is because it affects the same 2 receptors in the brain, the only difference is how much of each one it affects. Marijuana has many different cannabinoids, many of which are CB1 antagonists or CB1 inverse agonists (like CBD)). JWH just floods both the CB1 and CB2 receptors with a much higher binding affinity, and there are no other cannabinoids to damper it's effects.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21730103 - 05/27/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yessir that makes complete sense thanks i forgot about the cannabinoids that kinda counter thc.

i have never had panic attack freak out on weed but spice has mind fucked me a few times.

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21731252 - 05/28/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

try smoking spice in the peak of a 2.3 g subaeruginosa trip.

i forgot who i was, who my friend was, where i was, what was was

i was time, energy; everything around me. it was pretty fucking scary but amazing. like full blown amnesia except the concept of being alive didn't process along with forgetting everything i knew.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21731345 - 05/28/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that goes for a lot of older people too. I've talked to people in their 40's and 50's who used to trip all the time and I remember descriptions of acid that wasn't very visual, acid that tasted funny, acid that didn't last very long, acid that lasted for DAYS. Overall though, it seems like it's prevalence hasn't dimishished, if anything it's just as available or more. The issue is the availablility of other compounds. So while I do agree to some extent, I think the group you speak of is less prevalent than you might think.





Yeah, for a period in the late 1960s 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine was rampant, it caused a wave of ER visits, too many people re-dosed before the DOM (which they thought was LSD) hit, which can take up to 3 hours and last over 24....nobody died, but a good deal of people were temporarily fried....today its DOC (2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloro-amphetamine) that you see sold on blotters as LSD, if you see any DOx compounds at all...

Honestly, ive noticed a huge decline in authentic LSD, and just like young people a good deal of old people are full of shit, if they tell you stories of LSD that had incredible un-LSD-like qualties, they are probably just making it all up, and have never taken LSD or even its analogues.

Out of all the psychedelicos I know, 50% have never taken real LSD, and these are dedicated psychedelic exploreres who could brew yage, grow mushrooms and extract DMT and mescaline, yet they have never tried real LSD, this is disturbing to me....

The police were full of shit when they said taking down pickard led to a 90% drop in the availability of LSD, but at least in the United States, pickards arrest did put a pretty big dent in comercial LSD manufacture....now its nothing but imported or micro-lab produced, and its rare. It doesn't help that chemists like Casey hardison (before his arrest) are running to Europe, hardison went to the UK because electronic music and the art scene has caused demand to sky-rocket in those parts....

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21738295 - 05/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weed is definitely weaker than LSD, but it can be "trippy".


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: mikeisapro]
    #21740222 - 05/30/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think marijuana cant even compare to LSD, even when I first began using marijuana and would experiance these "Fitz Hugh ludlow-esk" ordeals, it still cant compare to LSD.....

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    #21744065 - 05/31/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21744127 - 05/31/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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weed doesn't give me open-eye visuals. Weed makes me paranoid if I do not have a tolerance and weed makes me feel sketchy.

LSD doesn't do that. It gives me open eye visuals.




And for that reason I think weed is stronger than LSD, mentally. LSD and weed are both psychedelics, LSD just "unlocks" more features if you will. LSD is ultimatly better and more profound, but for me weed is stronger(and in a bad way)....I'm just seeking people that have the same view point as me...I'm not saying LSD is lesser than  weed.




Are you suggesting you're more prone to having a bad trip off weed? I get its strong, just in it's own way. People are more prone to freaking out on LSD than weed, and that's a fact. Weed has way more recreational value, i'm guessing that's the main reason why people use it... But if a 'casual smoker' were to take LSD for the first time there is a huge potential for a bad trip, it CAN happen whether they handle it or not. I just don't see how Weed could be more intense than a psychedelic, you can't breakthrough on weed like you would on a psychedelic (unless someone here has, i'd like to here about that...)


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21744328 - 05/31/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?


man i don't think you have had real acid from 5 hits ive seen my eyebrows turn into caterpillars and crawl down my face fall off and fuck each other on the floor followed by talking to a pizza about its life and then jut starring at a wall for hours watching it melt. the most high ive been off weed was taking 11 grams of shatter to the dome one 420. all that happened was i just felt supper stoned and like everything was a cartoon. weed is good for daily use but LSD is so much better and takes you further than weed ever could. my best bet is your acid sucks or your brain is wired different.


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    #21744353 - 05/31/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21760455 - 06/04/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's because LSD is a waay more 'clear headed' high. while weed isn't as 'profound' as LSD, the headspace is still quite strong... especially when you get fucking ripped
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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Krazent]
    #21764494 - 06/05/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

^^ Exactly.

THC interferes with my headspace far more than anything else does.

However if I keep doing it, I get used to it, learn to mentally sidestep it,
and that's when proper psychedelics seem much more shocking and dangerous.

If I'm NOT tuned into weed, I find psychedelics really pleasant by comparison to weed.

If this doesn't make sense to you, then I challenge you to test it for yourself.
It means going for 3 months without any weed at all,
then have a couple of mushroom trips in the 4th month.

Then when you have nothing important to do, try a hit of your fave bud.
I bet you find yourself more dissociated from yourself with weed.


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    #26952369 - 09/24/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I think Kratom Strains is stronger than weed and LSD and also more available than both of them, i used to smoke weed and LDS but recently it gets more harder to buy weed because it illegal in my state, and lack of make me wake up every morning with anxiety and depression, everytime i check my Facebook or Instagram i see new bad news in the world, fires, global warming, Covid-19 !! there is a new crisis every single month this bad year, my best friend helped me about it and told me about Kratom Strains for anxiety and send me this link to order it https://kratominsider.com/kratom-strains/, i tried it and i actually i like how it feels, it feels better than weed for me.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: alexsawe]
    #26952373 - 09/24/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I tried LSD it's really good.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: herbie]
    #26952395 - 09/24/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've thought some edibles were up in strength with mushrooms or lsd. Apples to oranges though, a good dose of any will have you gone like the wind in a different way


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