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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729802 - 05/27/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, because calling them that implies that they are synthesized versions of naturally occurring cannabinoids. These synthetic cannabinoids may exhibit some characteristics of those that naturally occur, but are ultimately different compounds and will behave differently in certain situations.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729828 - 05/27/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ah I see what you are saying. is there any work going on to classify them outside of  synthetic cannabinoids?

it didn't come from the cannabis plant so it shouldn't be classified as such. is this what youre getting at?

its molecule structure is what I believe gets it its classification. its similar to cannabinoids.

I agree it shouldnt be considered a synthetic cannabinoid but it is sooooo....... yknow. im not gonna jump hoops around the word synthetic cannabinoid if their is no other word to use to describe substances such as jwh.

is their a better word to use? or no because its not been classified yet?


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729862 - 05/27/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Synthetic cannabinoid is the technically correct term, it's just a bit misleading unless clarifications are made when comparing them to natural cannabinoids.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729886 - 05/27/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i used to have a lot  blotter when I was a teenager,I'd get half sheets or a sheet all the time. i've had probably over a hundred trips, or close to it.. some acid was better than others, but If I never tried the real lsd.. then fuck.. I want to try it.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729888 - 05/27/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what is the difference I have smoked some synthetic weed that felt like nothing compared to weed and some that blow me away and others that had me freaking out paranoid.

it does feel similar to weed though. what other parts of the brain cause the high other than its affect on the endocannabinoid recpetors?

btw i hope im not coming off sarcastic, im genuinely asking. also mad respect for actually contributing productively.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729937 - 05/27/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

never have I smoked weed and woke up in a different dimension..


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: abductee]
    #21729941 - 05/27/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

take a hit and trip... man, I remember smoking weed to come down.lol


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21729958 - 05/27/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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what is the difference I have smoked some synthetic weed that felt like nothing compared to weed and some that blow me away and others that had me freaking out paranoid.

it does feel similar to weed though. what other parts of the brain cause the high other than its affect on the endocannabinoid recpetors?

btw i hope im not coming off sarcastic, im genuinely asking. also mad respect for actually contributing productively.




The neurochemistry involving cannabinoids is fairly advanced and I am by no means an expert, I'm just explaining it as I understand it.

These 'synthetic weed' drugs are various very specific and complicated synthetic cannabinoid compounds. The term synthetic marijuana is a misnomer because real cannabis contains hundreds if not thousands of natural cannabinoids, some of which are psychoactive. These synthetic drugs on the other hand, are synthetic analogues that behave roughly like some of the natural cannabinoids found in cannabis. The effects of these drugs can vary wildly, and I don't recommend using them until further research has been done. Real cannabis is much safer and more versatile.


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Substances I have allegedly taken: Cannabis (bud, edibles, and concentrates), Mushrooms (P. Cubensis), LSD, ETH-LAD, ALD-52, DMT, MDMA, Mescaline (Peruvian Torch), 25I-NBOMe, Salvia Divinorum (10x), Syrian Rue, Amanita Muscaria (10x), Cocaine, Nightshade (Henbane).

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
    #21729973 - 05/27/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i remember reading when the spice craze was booming that jwh affected the same receptors thc did just much stronger like 6x or something idk it was years ago.

that whole fitting like a key thing you can find on youtube of how thc affects the mind and gets one "high"


jwh fits in the same "keyhole" as thc


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9] * 1
    #21730083 - 05/27/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, that keyhole is the CB1 and CB2 receptor. CB1 is the brain/CNS receptor, while CB2 is the body receptor (head high vs. body high).

Since JWH and other compounds belong to a technically different class of cannabinoids, they have vastly different psychoactive characteristics. The reason it kind of feels like weed is because it affects the same 2 receptors in the brain, the only difference is how much of each one it affects. Marijuana has many different cannabinoids, many of which are CB1 antagonists or CB1 inverse agonists (like CBD)). JWH just floods both the CB1 and CB2 receptors with a much higher binding affinity, and there are no other cannabinoids to damper it's effects.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21730103 - 05/27/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yessir that makes complete sense thanks i forgot about the cannabinoids that kinda counter thc.

i have never had panic attack freak out on weed but spice has mind fucked me a few times.

thanks for the info man:youthemandawg:


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21731252 - 05/28/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

try smoking spice in the peak of a 2.3 g subaeruginosa trip.

i forgot who i was, who my friend was, where i was, what was was

i was time, energy; everything around me. it was pretty fucking scary but amazing. like full blown amnesia except the concept of being alive didn't process along with forgetting everything i knew.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21731345 - 05/28/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that goes for a lot of older people too. I've talked to people in their 40's and 50's who used to trip all the time and I remember descriptions of acid that wasn't very visual, acid that tasted funny, acid that didn't last very long, acid that lasted for DAYS. Overall though, it seems like it's prevalence hasn't dimishished, if anything it's just as available or more. The issue is the availablility of other compounds. So while I do agree to some extent, I think the group you speak of is less prevalent than you might think.





Yeah, for a period in the late 1960s 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methyl-amphetamine was rampant, it caused a wave of ER visits, too many people re-dosed before the DOM (which they thought was LSD) hit, which can take up to 3 hours and last over 24....nobody died, but a good deal of people were temporarily fried....today its DOC (2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloro-amphetamine) that you see sold on blotters as LSD, if you see any DOx compounds at all...

Honestly, ive noticed a huge decline in authentic LSD, and just like young people a good deal of old people are full of shit, if they tell you stories of LSD that had incredible un-LSD-like qualties, they are probably just making it all up, and have never taken LSD or even its analogues.

Out of all the psychedelicos I know, 50% have never taken real LSD, and these are dedicated psychedelic exploreres who could brew yage, grow mushrooms and extract DMT and mescaline, yet they have never tried real LSD, this is disturbing to me....

The police were full of shit when they said taking down pickard led to a 90% drop in the availability of LSD, but at least in the United States, pickards arrest did put a pretty big dent in comercial LSD manufacture....now its nothing but imported or micro-lab produced, and its rare. It doesn't help that chemists like Casey hardison (before his arrest) are running to Europe, hardison went to the UK because electronic music and the art scene has caused demand to sky-rocket in those parts....

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21738295 - 05/29/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weed is definitely weaker than LSD, but it can be "trippy".


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: mikeisapro]
    #21740222 - 05/30/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think marijuana cant even compare to LSD, even when I first began using marijuana and would experiance these "Fitz Hugh ludlow-esk" ordeals, it still cant compare to LSD.....

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21744065 - 05/31/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"He who controls the spice , controls the universe"


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21744127 - 05/31/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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weed doesn't give me open-eye visuals. Weed makes me paranoid if I do not have a tolerance and weed makes me feel sketchy.

LSD doesn't do that. It gives me open eye visuals.




And for that reason I think weed is stronger than LSD, mentally. LSD and weed are both psychedelics, LSD just "unlocks" more features if you will. LSD is ultimatly better and more profound, but for me weed is stronger(and in a bad way)....I'm just seeking people that have the same view point as me...I'm not saying LSD is lesser than  weed.




Are you suggesting you're more prone to having a bad trip off weed? I get its strong, just in it's own way. People are more prone to freaking out on LSD than weed, and that's a fact. Weed has way more recreational value, i'm guessing that's the main reason why people use it... But if a 'casual smoker' were to take LSD for the first time there is a huge potential for a bad trip, it CAN happen whether they handle it or not. I just don't see how Weed could be more intense than a psychedelic, you can't breakthrough on weed like you would on a psychedelic (unless someone here has, i'd like to here about that...)


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21744328 - 05/31/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Does anyone else think weed is stronger than LSD? In the sense of head space...or am I the only one?


man i don't think you have had real acid from 5 hits ive seen my eyebrows turn into caterpillars and crawl down my face fall off and fuck each other on the floor followed by talking to a pizza about its life and then jut starring at a wall for hours watching it melt. the most high ive been off weed was taking 11 grams of shatter to the dome one 420. all that happened was i just felt supper stoned and like everything was a cartoon. weed is good for daily use but LSD is so much better and takes you further than weed ever could. my best bet is your acid sucks or your brain is wired different.


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21744353 - 05/31/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Fog1]
    #21760455 - 06/04/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's because LSD is a waay more 'clear headed' high. while weed isn't as 'profound' as LSD, the headspace is still quite strong... especially when you get fucking ripped
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