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Trichome_Delta9


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you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.
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Gottaloveacid
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There are more than just one chemical in shrooms and weed. Weed especially. That is why it is sad to see pure thc being used in marijuana studies. Nature has placed all of these extra alkaloids in these plants to offer a different a experience than pure anything.
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Trichome_Delta9


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I think some of these people need to touch up on their research. I check my shit before I post I am certain those guys didn't.
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larry.fisherman
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DMT is a natural product, you extract it from a fucking bark. Same with each material I presented, they are substances extracted from a natural source. I didn't change the definition of anything, you simply don't understand.
You said natural products can't compare to synthesized ones. Just because you extract a chemical from organic material, that doesn't make it a synthesis. I can name a bunch more natural chemicals that are highly potent. Ever heard of morphine? Now shut up.
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larry.fisherman
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Here's an example- why do people call synthnoids synthnoids? What does the word synthetic mean? Why is THC not a synthnoid?
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Trichome_Delta9


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morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.
and it can be synthesized so???
and that's one (bad) example, not "a bunch more"
drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.
how you are arguing with this?
and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?
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Achillita
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Trichome_Delta9 said: you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.
DMT is almost always extracted, but can be synthesized, as can psilocybin be synthesized. But they are chemicals that come from nature.
LSD is a semi-synthetic substance if I remember correctly. Because it is synthesized from a natural occurring alkaloid in the ergot fungus.
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larry.fisherman
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Trichome_Delta9 said: morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.
and it can be synthesized so???
and that's one (bad) example, not "a bunch more"
drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.
how you are arguing with this?
and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?
For fuck sakes. I'm done.
Actually read shit, don't go around claiming you know things you don't know.
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Trichome_Delta9


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Achillita said:
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Trichome_Delta9 said: you synthesize dmt and lsd. you can synthesize psilocybin. its not that hard to understand.... you can synthesize thc. you cant change the definition just because you want to.
DMT is almost always extracted, but can be synthesized, as can psilocybin be synthesized. But they are chemicals that come from nature.
LSD is a semi-synthetic substance if I remember correctly. Because it is synthesized from a natural occurring alkaloid in the ergot fungus.
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Trichome_Delta9 said: morphine is not natural? its in opium. opium is natural. never heard of a morphine plant but I have heard of opium.
and it can be synthesized so???
and that's one (bad) example, not "a bunch more"
drugs in their natural form compared to the more concentrated substance that was synthesized from the plant/fungi with chemicals is obviously made to be stronger.
how you are arguing with this?
and wtf is a "synthnoids" I cant find this term anywhere?
For fuck sakes. I'm done.
Actually read shit, don't go around claiming you know things you don't know.
I still cant find your made up word anywhere I found a pill or something called "synthroid" still nothing about "synthnoids?"
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larry.fisherman
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He said it CAN be synthesized, so can many other things. It's pretty sad that you're trying to let people take credit for millions/billions of years of evolution.
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satch1234
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Different class, different receptors, different biological/psychological effect. Apples vs oranges.
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MikeBearPig
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XLCaps said: He said it CAN be synthesized, so can many other things. It's pretty sad that you're trying to let people take credit for millions/billions of years of evolution.
Can't we just go back to a simpler time.. A time where we were bashing bill and everyone was happy
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Deviate
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I want to add some more comments to this thread.
First of all, stronger perhaps isn't the right word because what do we mean by stronger? and at what dose?
For example, weed for me is a lot stronger than LSD in the sense that on a few hits of LSD, I can go around in public, talk to people, etc and have them not know I am tripping. If I smoke a joint, I cannot do that. Weed also can make me feel more confused than LSD and I feel like I am more deeper into myself on weed, whereas LSD is a much more extroverted experience. In fact, LSD would be my favorite drug for socializing on if only it didnt last so long and keep me awake all night.
Weed has also given me far more spiritual insight than LSD. But having said that, in no way am I claiming that smoking a joint will be a more shattering experience than taking a 10 strip of LSD. Of course a high dose of LSD is going to do things to your mind, that weed just does not do.
And yet, weed is a trip every bit on the level of LSD/shrooms imo but people dont realize it because they smoke weed often and grow accustomed to the effects. But if you take several months off weed and then eat a heap of good edibles, you will most certainly trip.
Also I have never experienced synthesia on LSD at all, even when I ate a ten strip of potent acid. On weed I get this effect any time I take a strong dose of edibles.
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Starless
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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Deviate]
#21729388 - 05/27/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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First of all, saying that synthesized compounds are always stronger than natural ones is completely moronic. Is ibuprofen stronger that botulinum toxin? A 50mg dose of extracted DMT will do the exact same thing as a 50mg dose of synthesized DMT. There is no such thing as a concentrated form of a pure chemical either.
Also, LSD has a much greater variation in how it effects different people than THC or other cannabinoids. It's also affected by set and setting, which cannabis is not. These substances are extremely different, and comparing their subjective strength is pointless.
Even still, we can easily draw objective conclusions. If you smoke a gram of 20% THC weed (200mg total THC), and then compare to a 200mg dose of LSD, you will realize very quickly which is the more powerful drug.
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Gottaloveacid
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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
#21729422 - 05/27/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol comparing 200mg of THC to 200mg of LSD? Have you even heard of binding affinity before? Physically, LSD is stronger per MG than almost (if not ALL) other drugs.
And like I said before, you cannot compare the two because THC isn't a true psychedelic. It is both a psychedelic and an intoxicant, which is a class of it's own. LSD is a true psychedelic.
That is why you can compare weed to psychedelics, opiates, stimulants, and even benzos. Although they share many things with all of those drugs, weed will never give you the full effect of any other drug. It is it's own drug with so many similarities to others. LSD is a psychedelic, and just a psychedelic!
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Trichome_Delta9


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Re: Weed stronger than LSD [Re: Starless]
#21729430 - 05/27/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you guys realize were arguing about how we actually agree with eachother. lsd is obviously stronger than weed. im not arguing against that im supporting that since lsd is WAY more affective at smaller doses it will obviously be a stronger high, dose to dose.
can someone please tell me where that dude came up with synthnoids? still cant find it anywhere I have found synth noids, but no synthnoids? synth noids are synthetic cannabinoids or something and doesn't have to do with dmt or psilocybin.
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Gottaloveacid
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THC has never been synthesized before. Just because it affects cannabinoid receptors doesn't mean it's a cannabinoid. Sorry, but I actually don't believe a cannabinoid has EVER been synthesized (aside from marinol, which isn't actually real THC), it is pretty much impossible.
I am pretty sure the same goes for opiates too (though don't quote me on it). If I am not mistaking, ALL opiates are either opiods or opiod derivatives (opiod = derived from opium poppy)
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Trichome_Delta9


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haha what about jwh? and all other synthetic cannabinoids?
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Gottaloveacid
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Those aren't cannabinoids 
Just because it affects the cannabinoid receptor doesn't mean it is a cannbinoid.
That is like saying menthol (an opiod receptor agonist) is an opiate
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Starless
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Gottaloveacid said: lol comparing 200mg of THC to 200mg of LSD? Have you even heard of binding affinity before? Physically, LSD is stronger per MG than almost (if not ALL) other drugs.
And like I said before, you cannot compare the two because THC isn't a true psychedelic. It is both a psychedelic and an intoxicant, which is a class of it's own. LSD is a true psychedelic.
That is why you can compare weed to psychedelics, opiates, stimulants, and even benzos. Although they share many things with all of those drugs, weed will never give you the full effect of any other drug. It is it's own drug with so many similarities to others. LSD is a psychedelic, and just a psychedelic!
I completely agree. They're subjectively incomparable, leaving us with only an objective point of comparison, where LSD is clearly more potent. Regardless, comparing these substances seems to be illogical and ultimately useless. I still can't comprehend how cannabis could be perceived as more intense than LSD in any way, though.
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