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Jean-guy Masta
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Helping a goner
#21709228 - 05/22/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So my best friend since I'm like 7 is a goner now , he's addicted to crack meth ,opiates and alcohol . Since a while He gave up on himself and lives at 1000 miles an hour waiting to die . Opiates consumed his soul and almost killed him last week , he actually died and got reanimated . But it doesn't feel like it scared him or something . He's living to die right now . I know he should go to rehab or something but there is no way he wants to .
I really want to help him , I gave him shrooms a while ago he tripped alone but maybe it wasn't enough ? Maybe I could give him some L and go trip in the woods with him and a couple friends? I just want him to know that life is bieautiful and that his lifestyle is killing him..
Any thoughts on what I could do to help him ?
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SirShroomsAlott
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As much as I really hate saying it, there isn't much you can do, if he is addicted like that, he'll end up wrongdoing you at some point. My very good friend all through middle and highschool started experimenting right after high school, quickly went downhill, start sniffing like 15-20 bags of heroin a day, started injecting. I was with him through the entire ordeal trying to help him, he ended up stealing around 3000g in cash from me over the course of a few months (and around 30k worth of jewelry that he hocked for less then 4g at a cash for gold place that he stole from his family), and the whole time was claiming to be getting clean and how good he's been doing, when he was just robbing me to get more. He's only one of around 6 who I was really close with who turned to shit like that. The worst too, is he would always call me and swear up and down how he wanted to be clean, wanted help, needed someone to talk to, it was all a lie, just to try and get money from me or something else he needed, nothing more then an act.
He's still using now and finally stopped calling me 800 times a day. Unless your friend wants to quit, you will undoubtedly waste your time, as much as you want him to quit, he needs to want it himself.
I know exactly how bad it is when you have a close friend who gets like that, I gave him so many times and chances and kept trying to help him but he just kept fucking me over and it became too much for me to have him around, couldn't trust him in my house or let him get out of sight. In a way I almost feel guilty but I can't just stay close with him and watch him slowly kill himself. Very last time I hung out with him, he swore he was clean and wouldn't stop calling me and I wanted to believe he did, he was showing me his healing track marks and how he hasn't used in two months and all that, my wallet and 300 cash went missing that night and haven't talked to him since.
You could always try to help, but the sad truth is I wouldn't get your hopes up, and hopefully he realizes it before it's too late, I lost a different friend last year to overdose the day he got out of rehab, was close with him since first grade.
Even L or shrooms, to us, it is very introspective and helpful high, a drug addict probably has a totally different type of mindset towards it, for him it's just a different kind of "escape" and he probably wouldn't think of it as anything more then that. I truly hope your friend gets his shit together, but unless he wants it, you're going to keep getting dragged down to help him, and it'll end up all being for nothing unless he decides to change something.
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 Sometimes its better just to stay away and not get involved especially if your the emotional caring type. Its not good for your mental health.
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Tell him ghosts don't do drugs or masturbate.
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Jean-guy Masta
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It's so sad to read this cause it's kinda true in a way but I feel he's different from regular addicts , like I can't just let him down like that . He's would never rob me he is down to the neck in the dope game he's making tons of money actually . When I saw him in the hospital last week he was pissed because he could of make like 1k while he was dead .He was talking like the od wasn't a big thing he had to go make so more money. It's so unreal .
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Buster_Brown said: Tell him ghosts don't do drugs or masturbate.
I think he really don't give a shit he already got all the hoes he wants . Plus I don't thinnk he does drugs to enjoy himself anymore it's more deep then that
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flowersprout
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Ugh, sorry to hear that you're dealing with this, jean-guy. It's tough stuff. I don't pretend to know what's best for your friend and I'm honestly not too optimistic about their chances, but here's an experience I had:
I have someone in my life who appeared hopelessly into opiates and benzos but actually did want to get well, and I decided to "help" them with some mushrooms. After they took a couple grams of cubensis their opiate withdrawal symptoms totally disappeared, not forever but for a few hours. They were shocked and super excited! They called me and told me that, "I get it now, everything is wonderful, everything is beautiful." That was exactly what I think when I eat shrooms so I started hoping that I really helped them heal... but...
They exhibited exactly the behaviour you would expect from someone who has no self control or safety concern about drugs. Aside from dosing too frequently (which wasn't a concern other than I coudln't get them to really consider what I was saying about tolerance) they dosed carelessly. No preparation at all, no consideration of set or setting, no thought to what their tolerance might be after x days, super high dosages, no safety (this person came to grab a few more mushrooms from me, and then ate 5g in my driveway before driving 20minutes home). After a couple months, they had a really rough experience because they never listened to what I was saying about tolerance increasing in time and they had no 'respect' for the mushroom. Finally they had a, "maybe I'm a bad person, why would anybody love me?" type of trip. They say they'll never eat psychs again. They are still sober and healing, and I don't know if shrooms helped...
So here's what I think - What if you talk them into psychs, and then they treat the psychs with the same disrespect for safety that they have with other drugs? I guess what I'm saying is... giving them mushrooms could be wonderful or horrible (but the person you're describing is in worse shape than my pal was at that point). If I could do it again I'd still give my person mushrooms because I think that first session might have helped, but I would have pretended that I didn't access to a ton of mushies... I would have created an artificial scarcity that had timing for tolerance and prevented them from overdosing. Some people just can do drugs safely because they have no self control.
Having said all that, I do wonder if others in this thread are right... that maybe it's time to let go, let them control their fate, and accept it... I don't know, I wish I did.
Edited by flowersprout (05/22/15 08:25 AM)
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Jean-guy Masta
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Thanks guys for the responses I think you guys are right.. I went to his house today , he was feeling a lot better then when I saw him at the hospital .
I sat with him , and talked and I think there is probably some chance that it goes for the better . he told me it was good to be sober for once . his ego definitely took a hit I think , he just got too much pride to admit it . I told him he was becoming a loser doing this and stuff and he said that he knows all that stuff . I almost told him about the L but I know that he thinks im just a hippie that is becoming insane when I talk about psych So much shit I told him about DMT and stuff when I working with him during last winter, I just said that he should try DMT before dying again but he said fuck that im not touching drugs in a while , it was actualy really awesome to hear it from him. also said to me that hes probably never gonna touch opiates again but that its still the best drug in the world, we laughed . we talked about old memories and stuff also talked about what it was like dying and stuff overall we laughed , we hugged and I said take care man.
So maybe he isn't that much of a goner afterall , I definitely feel better and sitting and talk to him was probably the best thing to do . I still fear that he starts that shit all over again at some point in the future . maybe the L will be usefull at somepoint when he starts becoming at peace with himself , but for now I think it was the best thing to do .
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Sounds like there is still hope 
Just be careful, opiates are VERY hard to quit.
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TrippieHunter
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Shit man I've been off opiates for 3 years now and I still constantly think about them. I stopped for a while but it's back now, like an itch I can't
scratch. I hope all works out for your friend OP, it's a shame when we get lost like this in life.
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Deviate
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Jean-guy Masta said: Thanks guys for the responses I think you guys are right.. I went to his house today , he was feeling a lot better then when I saw him at the hospital .
I sat with him , and talked and I think there is probably some chance that it goes for the better . he told me it was good to be sober for once . his ego definitely took a hit I think , he just got too much pride to admit it . I told him he was becoming a loser doing this and stuff and he said that he knows all that stuff . I almost told him about the L but I know that he thinks im just a hippie that is becoming insane when I talk about psych So much shit I told him about DMT and stuff when I working with him during last winter, I just said that he should try DMT before dying again but he said fuck that im not touching drugs in a while , it was actualy really awesome to hear it from him. also said to me that hes probably never gonna touch opiates again but that its still the best drug in the world, we laughed . we talked about old memories and stuff also talked about what it was like dying and stuff overall we laughed , we hugged and I said take care man.
So maybe he isn't that much of a goner afterall , I definitely feel better and sitting and talk to him was probably the best thing to do . I still fear that he starts that shit all over again at some point in the future . maybe the L will be usefull at somepoint when he starts becoming at peace with himself , but for now I think it was the best thing to do .
You know one thing you can do for him, is pray for him. I know this is controversial in our society, but there really is a spirit world and prayers really do help, especially if you know how to pray but even if you dont God still likes the fact that you are trying.
I lost a friend of few weeks ago, heroin addict and alcoholic, slowly drank himself to death. It was very hard to watch, but I had to accept there wasn't anything I could do. He was simply too resistant to change. I offered him psychs but he declined. He was a deadhead, had done lots of LSD and mushrooms back in the day and knew what they were about but he probably also knew that simply tripping without putting in the effort to change, would not solve anything. He was completely unwilling to make that effort. I used psychs myself while I was addicted to heroin and they never helped me quit. In fact, I used to love ending my trips with a huge shot of heroin. Heroin plus LSD was my favorite drug combo for a while, until I tried to kill a bad acid comedown with massive amounts of heroin and nearly ODed.
In my experience, psychs are helpful if you are ready to go down the spiritual path. If not, then even though you might have insight into your addiction while you are tripping, two days later it's not gonna make a difference unless you WANT to change. .
Edited by Deviate (05/22/15 03:51 PM)
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Re: Helping a goner [Re: Deviate]
#21711450 - 05/22/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Today is my fourth day sober. I've been high since I was 11. No body and I mean no body. Not the finest piece of ass, or the toughest cop or judge. Not my best fiends, or my family could ever get me to stop doing drugs. There's nothing you could say to me that would get through to me.
It took me to feel like I was gonna die, and not in a good ego-death kinda way, for me to even consider that I actually had something called a drug problem.
I don't know what will help your friend other than hitting rock bottom. But I do hope his rock bottom is a soft but firm landing. Don't be too upset if he relapses after trying to get clean, this shit is hard.
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Supachopped719 said: Today is my fourth day sober. I've been high since I was 11. No body and I mean no body. Not the finest piece of ass, or the toughest cop or judge. Not my best fiends, or my family could ever get me to stop doing drugs. There's nothing you could say to me that would get through to me.
It took me to feel like I was gonna die, and not in a good ego-death kinda way, for me to even consider that I actually had something called a drug problem.
I don't know what will help your friend other than hitting rock bottom. But I do hope his rock bottom is a soft but firm landing. Don't be too upset if he relapses after trying to get clean, this shit is hard.
Kudos bro, keep it up! I completely agree with you, nobody can make someone quit if that person doesn't want to. THE END.
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Shrooms work wonders for addictions
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PinPornProducer said: Shrooms work wonders for addictions 
I've been doing shrooms forever, not a single trip did the thought of me having a drug problem even occur. If anything I convinced myself that everything was way way under control.
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PinPornProducer said: Shrooms work wonders for addictions 
I've been doing shrooms forever, not a single trip did the thought of me having a drug problem even occur. If anything I convinced myself that everything was way way under control.
I started smoking weed almost daily for a while. A shroom trip made me stop smoking for a few weeks, and now I only smoke very occasionally.
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Achillita said:
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Supachopped719 said:
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PinPornProducer said: Shrooms work wonders for addictions 
I've been doing shrooms forever, not a single trip did the thought of me having a drug problem even occur. If anything I convinced myself that everything was way way under control.
I started smoking weed almost daily for a while. A shroom trip made me stop smoking for a few weeks, and now I only smoke very occasionally.
wish that was my case. But then again I really enjoy smoking pot I just don't enjoy that I don't really get high anymore.
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PinPornProducer
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Shrooms helped me quit smoking weed completely, I don't even really have an urge to get drunk anymore. I'll still go have some drinks with my girl and shoot pool once and a while but nothing like I used to be. And I've been a coffee drinker for ever and even that need for coffee is disapating now.
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PinPornProducer said: Shrooms helped me quit smoking weed completely, I don't even really have an urge to get drunk anymore. I'll still go have some drinks with my girl and shoot pool once and a while but nothing like I used to be. And I've been a coffee drinker for ever and even that need for coffee is disapating now.
Were you looking to accomplish these things or did the just come about as the result of tripping?
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PinPornProducer
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Just happened, the urges just started to become less and less until they were gone
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