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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Envix] 1
#21713537 - 05/23/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, life is an illusion, but a very persistent one. The past does not exist, memories are false and neither does the future exist. The only true and valid point in time is right now, this moment. That does not mean we can't learn from the past and plan for the future, as OP said. It means we should be aware of the illusions and not take life so seriously.
What I'm trying to say is that we need to play life like a game. We act as though it was real and important while not taking it seriously. We do what we need to do to stay alive, have creature comforts and plan for the future, knowing it will be different than we planned.
Its important to be non attached to the physical world and all in it. Everything changes, once we have things just the way we want them, we lose them all. We lose friends and loved ones, we lose our abilities, possessions, eventually our mind and life too. Why cling desperately to these things knowing they will soon be gone? If you define yourself as someone who can run fast, play a good game of whatever, and who is attractive, etc, what happens when none of those things are valid any longer? Do you cease to exist? No, your essence is the same, the outer illusions have changed.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21713665 - 05/23/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The past does not exist, memories are false and neither does the future exist.
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That does not mean we can't learn from the past and plan for the future,
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We do what we need to do to stay alive, have creature comforts and plan for the future, knowing it will be different than we planned.
This is a bunch of hippie nonsense. Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
You say the past and future don't exist but we can learn from the past and plan for the future. What happened to it not existing?

Nice pseudo-intellectual jargon though
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21713679 - 05/23/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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MGMT - Your Life Is a Lie:
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21713692 - 05/23/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
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The past does not exist, memories are false and neither does the future exist.
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That does not mean we can't learn from the past and plan for the future,
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We do what we need to do to stay alive, have creature comforts and plan for the future, knowing it will be different than we planned.
This is a bunch of hippie nonsense. Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
You say the past and future don't exist but we can learn from the past and plan for the future. What happened to it not existing?

Nice pseudo-intellectual jargon though
Ah, grasshopper, naturally you don't understand. The past does not exist, if it does, show it to me? The future is not here, you can't show me that either. Our memories are notoriously faulty, we remember things the way we want to remember them. Only the present is real.
Change is constant, we have the ability to plan and to change our present. We use our faulty memories of the past to make plans for a better life in the present. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Our thoughts and actions create the new present reality.
Who are you? What defines you; your status, money, health, knowledge, relationships? All those things will fall away. What is the real you?
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21713716 - 05/23/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow really? Do molecules and atoms not exist because I can't show you them? Just because or memories are faulty doesn't mean the past doesn't exist. It just means our interpretation of the events are skewed.
What planet do you live on man?
You're asking for proof of past and future like its an objective experience that everyone goes through the exact same way. Obviously my past is gonna be different than yours, as will my future Bc we're different people
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Envix]
#21713773 - 05/23/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Life Is A Ride, and whether you go Weeeeeeee like in a rollercoaster or like in Deliverance is up to you.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Asante]
#21713838 - 05/23/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol envix must be smoking crack
"Your past is fake"
No, it's real.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Uzziel]
#21713981 - 05/23/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Show us the past? If something exists, it can be shown. Matter in any form, light and other radiation, electricity, and so on can all be shown. But only in the present. We can say our records show that in the past this or that occurred. Perhaps, but the past is over, it no longer exists. The present is all that is real and even that is full of illusions.
If you think the past is still real and does exist even though you can't show it, does the future exist? Where is it? Can you show the future? You can only show the present and what is going on right now.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21714084 - 05/23/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The present is a human conception of the current second in point in time which can only be measured in relatively accurate terms computed by technology, your understanding of the present, past and future is nothing more than a series of present realities, all of which are as real as any other second that has passed
Saying it doesn't exist and it isn't real is pretty fucking hilarious
"SHOW ME THE FUTURE FUCKER OR ELSE IT DOESN"T EXIST"
OK. Wait 1 second. Bam. The fucking future.
The past? Well, I can't show you the past, I just have to imagine you remember what happened one second ago.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Envix] 3
#21714174 - 05/23/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What a bunch of inane mental masturbation 
As it is, this is all that exists for us, what value does the notion of 'real' or 'fake' have in the face of this being the only single thing you are experiencing at the moment.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Uzziel]
#21714208 - 05/23/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: The present is a human conception of the current second in point in time which can only be measured in relatively accurate terms computed by technology, your understanding of the present, past and future is nothing more than a series of present realities, all of which are as real as any other second that has passed
Saying it doesn't exist and it isn't real is pretty fucking hilarious
"SHOW ME THE FUTURE FUCKER OR ELSE IT DOESN"T EXIST"
OK. Wait 1 second. Bam. The fucking future.
The past? Well, I can't show you the past, I just have to imagine you remember what happened one second ago. 
Goddamn hippies man
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: twighead]
#21714221 - 05/23/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: What a bunch of inane mental masturbation 
As it is, this is all that exists for us, what value does the notion of 'real' or 'fake' have in the face of this being the only single thing you are experiencing at the moment.

This life is nothing short of a deepening explosion of transformative ecstasy. We believe, we exist, we are reborn.The goal of ultra-sentient particles is to plant the seeds of joy rather than ego.You and I are warriors of the stratosphere.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] 1
#21714244 - 05/23/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your Mom is the warrior of the stratosphere!
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21714258 - 05/23/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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My 12 year old mullet exists!!
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Hobozen]
#21714390 - 05/23/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You people believe in something you can't see, feel, touch or measure? It takes a lot of faith to do that. The present changes or seems to so we delude ourselves into thinking the past exists and there is a future which also exists. Neither of which can be seen, measured, etc.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21714423 - 05/23/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21714439 - 05/23/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Relax your face brah, it's all flexed and douchey.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Hobozen]
#21714457 - 05/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: Envix]
#21714498 - 05/23/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Envix said: if only i could forget this narrative my brain keeps telling me is real.
everything that's needed is right here and now. why is so much time and energy invested in this fantasy that only exists in my head
past and future - swirling like a merry-go-round through my mind day-in and day-out dreams built upon wishful expectations, anxious fears, nostalgic memories and remorseful mistakes
these are all just stories we tell ourselves to give our lives meaning. everything that's real is right here in this moment.
plans are good, goals are good, and learning from the past is good. but why do we invest so much emotion and concentration on these imaginary stories that we make up?
and no, your life is not fake. it is in fact your life's story that is fake.
you as an organism are real. and your interactions with the environment are real. physical and emotional and social dynamics and all that. the meaning you give to things which so influence your emotional dynamics is just built upon language and syntax, which is just a bunch of symbols we made up
It's funny because I totally agree with the division you're drawing between the organism and the life story, but I came to a different conclusion about which "I" should identify with.
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Re: anyone bothered by the fact that your life is fake? [Re: jakefake]
#21714507 - 05/23/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about the 4th 'time'? The time where a thing happens and then has to be filtered through your senses in order to become present, past, future?
Maybe there's just now, and past is memory, future is speculation, and now is now..
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