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Does sex slow down human being evolution?
    #21707794 - 05/21/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hi guys, sorry  but I am not sure where to place this thread. It is not about  sex but how it relates to our evolution.

Sometimes I think sex slows down our evolution cause we pretty much think about it 24/7 and get stimulus from everywhere in our world.

If weren't thinking too much about it I believe we would have more time to ourselves and friends and our evolution as human being. Getting rid of testosterone would also reduce the aggression instinct we have.

I think that life on other planets would not have the same amount of sex as we do, maybe.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Thaj]
    #21707842 - 05/21/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The sociology of sex; Wow, I bet a lot has been written about that. From the standpoint of entertainment, procreation & bonding, I don't think sex inhibits evolution.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Thaj]
    #21709086 - 05/22/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sex itself actually plays a key role in evolution. It drives it.
This may sound like trolling or stating the obvious, but I emphasize the importance of recognizing that it's not the activity that is responsible. It's our relationship to it. Sure, we are programed to seek the reproductional completion like every creature upon this planet, but this doesn't mean we are necessarily victims to it. It's what this 'work on yourself' is all about... and 'those that will not go that way will be dragged along' (if we won't learn ourselves, life will teach us). The programmed sexual obsession can be transcended. This is clearly the case with the naga baba sadhus of India to point out one of the extremes.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: cbub]
    #21709190 - 05/22/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard that having sex often with different people depletes your chakra energy.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Thaj]
    #21709473 - 05/22/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Thaj said:
Hi guys, sorry  but I am not sure where to place this thread. It is not about  sex but how it relates to our evolution.

Sometimes I think sex slows down our evolution cause we pretty much think about it 24/7 and get stimulus from everywhere in our world.

If weren't thinking too much about it I believe we would have more time to ourselves and friends and our evolution as human being. Getting rid of testosterone would also reduce the aggression instinct we have.

I think that life on other planets would not have the same amount of sex as we do, maybe.






like that other guy said, its not sex that slows down evolution but our relationship to it.

Key to understanding this, is understanding that there at least appears to be something wrong on planet earth. This understanding is BASIC from a spiritual standpoint, but I can't assume you know it so I must state it.

Different religions approach the problem differently, Christianity says we fell from grace, Hinduism says we forgot our nature, etc. The important point is that our original nature is healthy and in balance. We somehow have gone out of balance, and one effect of that is that sex has become an obsession for us.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Thaj]
    #21715265 - 05/23/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with much of what has been said in this thread already. From a spiritual point of view, sex (or at least the male ejaculation) depletes vital energy (in the form of jing) from the body. This is the reason why men feel so tired after sex, but women generally do not. Women in fact lose their vital energy through the loss of blood during the menses. The loss of vital energy has many effects including a weakened physical state, illnesses etc, and also the ability of a person to be conscious, to meditate, to do spiritual work etc.

I'm female so I can only say what I have experienced, but towards the end of the month I find that I am filled with vitality, able to meditate and stay present to a much greater extent than at the beginning of the month. I've heard of men noticing similar improves, increasing in physical strength etc from abstaining from sex and masturbation for several weeks.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe there is anything wrong with sex per se, and you can learn techniques so that you can prevent the loss of semen during sex. But our obsession and attitude to sex is preventing us from being able to reach new heights. Kundalini for example cannot be raised by a person who is continually losing their vital energy. Nor can a person be successful in alchemy.

A lot has been written about this in various spiritual traditions. In Kabbalah for example, there are various warnings about this:

One who purposely causes an erection places himself in excommunication. (Talmod Niddah 13)

This was the flaw of the generation of the flood, they would waste their seed. (Rashi Shabbos 41)

One is not allowed to spill seed. This is the most severe transgression from all sins in the torah. A person is not allowed to purposely cause an erection or bring himself to think impure thoughts. (Shulcan Aruch A.H. 23)

These teachings are not saying that spilling seed is evil, or dirty. It's simply a warning as to the spiritual damage it is doing. The teachings state that aging is in fact a result of ejaculation and losing vital energy.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21715391 - 05/23/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As someone who has struggled a lot with impure thoughts, lust and masturbation in the past, I can say I agree with those quotes. Only recently I have begun to overcome lust, through following the techniques laid out in the Philokalia. A couple of days ago, after I fell back into old ways and masturbated after a long period of non ejaculation. I have to say it was one of the most awful experiences of my life. I did not enjoy it at all, and afterward I felt such a tremendous energy loss. It felt like energy was simply pouring out of me. The good news is, it was such an awful, disgusting experience, that I am now much better able to resist any sexual temptation the demons throw at me, because I simply remind myself where it leads. When the demons attack, I say out loud  "I love God, not the flesh".


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21715860 - 05/23/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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PocketLady said:

The teachings state that aging is in fact a result of ejaculation and losing vital energy.




Yet science has shown the opposite, that a healthy sex life can prolong life, and even reduce the need for some medications.

My only comment on this thread will be on this statement, as it's not just science but life experience has shown otherwise to me personally.

From a spiritual standpoint, sex can be a very spiritual experience, especially when one enjoys and even embraces sensuality and the power of touch,etc. A sensual experience doesn't need to culminate in an orgasm, although I certainly prefer it too :smile:

JMHO,
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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Deviate]
    #21717843 - 05/24/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I understand where you are coming from Deviate. I'm not sure how you feel about sex in general, but I think it's important that we don't judge ourselves, the thoughts that we have, or the actions that we take. Judging certain things to be "bad" can lead to repression, which eventually leads to an equal and opposite rebound reaction. We create a battle within ourselves. Best way to deal with it imho, is just to recognise the thoughts without judgement, and that they are illusions based in the temporal physical world. I think that is what you are doing when you say you love God :smile:


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Denman]
    #21717863 - 05/24/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Denman said:


From a spiritual standpoint, sex can be a very spiritual experience, especially when one enjoys and even embraces sensuality and the power of touch,etc. A sensual experience doesn't need to culminate in an orgasm, although I certainly prefer it too :smile:





Den, I'm interested to understand what your idea of a spiritual experience is? Sex can be immensely pleasurable, and it can bring you 100% into the moment for sure, but with the exception of people who know what they are doing (tantra, sex magick etc) I'm not sure where spiritual really comes into it. Sensual and spiritual are not the same thing in my mind, but maybe that's just me :shrug:


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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Thaj]
    #21719700 - 05/25/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Today in planned society the soul confronts temptation in the post-modern spectacle of culture (i.e. the objectification of sexuality) that, through automated mediums, create a false representation of the paradisiacal state. It might be said that Homo sexualis (as in 'Homo economicus') is the fallen progeny of the First Man, whose seed produced the first murderer. In as much as the violence of civilization is compelled by the impulses of Éros, the the worst evil of men are but the smallest and pettiest imaginings of Heaven.


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    #21724016 - 05/26/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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From a spiritual standpoint, sex can be a very spiritual experience, especially when one enjoys and even embraces sensuality and the power of touch,etc. A sensual experience doesn't need to culminate in an orgasm, although I certainly prefer it too :smile:





Den, I'm interested to understand what your idea of a spiritual experience is? Sex can be immensely pleasurable, and it can bring you 100% into the moment for sure, but with the exception of people who know what they are doing (tantra, sex magick etc) I'm not sure where spiritual really comes into it. Sensual and spiritual are not the same thing in my mind, but maybe that's just me :shrug:




I suppose I should have stated that I meant it in the sense that religion and spirituality are 2 different things. Although I see now this thread is leaning mostly in a religious direction. A spiritual experience can mean many things, one can have a spiritual experience at the top of the Rockies, while another will have a religious experience for example. (Or no real reaction other than "nice view" lol)
I suppose I may have chosen the wrong wording as well. But I've had an "encounter" or 2 that led well beyond any sensual or sexual expectations. When almost literally 2 beings become one, feeling each others thoughts and emotions.... I think I would consider that a spiritual experience for me. It's not something I could do if I tried, just a few incredible experiences that went somewhere incredibly deep, tho neither of us intended from the start.

I think the term "spiritual" is so widely defined and so general a term that many will interperate it in many different ways. Either way I don't feel sex is bad or dirty, evil or draining. But I'm also not a very religious person, so I suppose one should take my posts for what they are, simply an opinion :smile:

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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: Denman]
    #21724397 - 05/26/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with a lot of what you have said Denman. Spirituality is different things to different people, and thanks for sharing your experiences.To clarify, I don't believe sex is bad, or dirty, or evil in the slightest. However, I do think ejaculation and menustration drains a person of spiritual power, which makes sense to me because the sperm and the egg represent the most powerful energy in existence, the energy of creation and life.

If anyone is interested in this, google " nofap" and check out the experiences of some people who have given it up for a while on reddit. It's very interesting reading :smile:


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The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

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The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21724531 - 05/26/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I agree with a lot of what you have said Denman. Spirituality is different things to different people, and thanks for sharing your experiences.To clarify, I don't believe sex is bad, or dirty, or evil in the slightest. However, I do think ejaculation and menustration drains a person of spiritual power, which makes sense to me because the sperm and the egg represent the most powerful energy in existence, the energy of creation and life.

If anyone is interested in this, google " nofap" and check out the experiences of some people who have given it up for a while on reddit. It's very interesting reading :smile:




Ive "no fapped" for around 18 months and I did not notice anything in regards to my mental and physical vitality when I ejaculated again.

I've seen the testimonials and such online n I think it's a placebo effect which is great for them, but ime its completely in one's head regarding the benefits of non-ejaculation. 

What is "spiritual power?" 


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: cez]
    #21724722 - 05/26/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mana!

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...meaning "power, effectiveness, prestige," where in most cases the power is understood to be supernatural.

In Polynesian culture, mana is a spiritual quality considered to have supernatural origin — a sacred impersonal force existing in the universe. Therefore to have mana is to have influence and authority, and efficacy — the power to perform in a given situation. This essential quality of mana is not limited to persons — peoples, governments, places and inanimate objects can possess mana.




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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: cez]
    #21724883 - 05/26/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ive "no fapped" for around 18 months and I did not notice anything in regards to my mental and physical vitality when I ejaculated again.

I've seen the testimonials and such online n I think it's a placebo effect which is great for them, but ime its completely in one's head regarding the benefits of non-ejaculation. 

What is "spiritual power?" 




That's fair enough. Can I ask, do you, or were you during this time, meditating on a regular basis? I have noticed a distinct inability to maintain my awareness during meditation after a loss of vital energy. My level of awareness then increases consistently until I have another loss. Also, I have noticed that I am far more lucid in my dream state as vitality increases.

By spiritual power, I mean the ability to consistently reach higher states of consciousness. Ability to meditate, sustain awareness etc.

It's not just in Kabbalah that this is discussed. References are found in lots of different traditions. In Taoism, retaining the semen is a basic sexual practice.  Sun Ssu-mo, a Tang Dynasty adept outlived three emperors through his practice. 'If a man squanders his semen, he will soon die. For a man, this is the most important point to remember about sex.'

It's well known in yogic practices that a person will not be successful in raising Kundalini unless they have saved their seed for a certain amount of time. In Tantric sex, the practioner learns how to reach and sustain orgasm without any release of sexual energy. Sure, I guess it's partly because it's fun to do so, but a big part of it is being able to retain and transform the built up sexual energy to help a person reach higher states of consciousness.

"Sexuality is a simple, biological phenomenon. It should not be given so much importance. Its only significance is that the energy can be transformed into higher planes.”

"The feeling of emptiness that is overtaking the whole Western mind is just because of sexual wastage."

“Sex has to be transformed – neither repressed nor indulged. And the only possible way to trans­form sex is to be sexual with deep meditative awareness”


-Osho


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: PocketLady]
    #21725155 - 05/26/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For the past few years Ive made a daily habit of awaking into a zazen session before breakfast and I typically sit whenever I have nothing else to do with my time.

I know this concept of non-ejaculation is noted  in many philosophies but from my experience I can't say I was this highly aware thing during that time or I felt better or more creative because I saved my seed.  I think the most creative and seemingly lively/happy people among my peers are very sexually driven.

I think we often times look for ways to better ourselves and will believe anything to make us feel like we are progressing and doing better.  "The no-fap challenge" is a great way to boost confidence/energy/creativity etc because it's marketed to do so.  I fail to believe it does anything but to someone thats in a life-rut and needs a catalyst for self-improvement, no fapping will probably help if they research it and hear/read all the testimonials of how well it works.


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Re: Does sex slow down human being evolution? [Re: cez]
    #21727810 - 05/27/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: for speaking your experience


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