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OfflineRock1084
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Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs?
    #21707698 - 05/21/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I couldn't find anything definitive searching the forums, but just wondering if I was to pick P.Subs from a verfied patch, what are the chances that say galerinas or other P.Sub look-alikes would be growing amongst them?

Also, if I throw them all in a bag together, is there any risk of either cross contamination, and/or blue staining from P.Subs getting on galerinas and causing misidentification?

Thanks.


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Rock1084]
    #21707748 - 05/21/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think they do,in fact, grow side by side. I doubt putting them in the same basket on the way home matters because of the first sentence.


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Matt87]
    #21707757 - 05/21/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As always though I'd wait to hear from someone with a trusted identifier tag on all matters shroomy.


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Matt87]
    #21707760 - 05/21/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Look a likes do grow in very close proximity to subs which is why each should be checked 2-3 times for 100% confirmation. Might be over kill but safety first.


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Rock1084]
    #21707789 - 05/21/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've never found Galerina marginata growing amongst P. Subaeruginosa, but have frequently found other lookalike species amongst them and wouldn't be surprised if Galerina marginata does grow amongst them from time to time. The take home message is to always double check every mushroom you pick and be prepared to toss anything you aren't willing to bet your life on. I don't think cross contamination is a big issue but if my actives had been in direct contact with deadly mushrooms I'd give them a rinse with water to be safe. The blue staining of active mushrooms doesn't easily transfer on contact, but I 100% recommend learning to distinguish the other taxonomic characteristics of P. Subaeruginosa so you don't have to rely on blue bruising alone.

Peace and safe hunting :smile:


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: chiralspiral]
    #21707861 - 05/21/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

check them in the field, and double check them when you get home. every single one! note once you dry them its hard to identify properly so ID before you dry


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: chiralspiral]
    #21707900 - 05/21/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks very much for the advice. I've only harvested once, (see yesterday's post: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21706668#21706668 ) so I'm still in the early stages of learning. I only used galerina as an example, I wasn't sure how common they were to begin with, but I'm also aware there are others.

Do other (potentially deadly) look alikes all have a different spore print to P.Subs?

My method of identification is firstly look for the brown/gold cap and white stem. Upon ticking this box, I'll give the stems a squeeze to see if they turn blue, if this test is passed I take em home and do a spore print. If the print is purple/black, I post here for confirmation.

Am I missing anything with this method? Are there any other signs or finer details I should look for to rule in or out potentially poisonous species?


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Rock1084]
    #21708140 - 05/21/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if they look like subs, bruise blue and leave a dark purple spore print then you are fine. the really bad/toxic ones that look similar to subs (galerina and cortinarius) have a rusty orange spore print and do not bruise blue. there are some toxic ones that bruise blue  or appear to bruise blue but they do not not look like subs

nice finds by the way. the blue bruising is usually easiest to spot on the white stem. some subs bruise quite aggressively but others its a bit more subtle. part of my process is to wipe the mud and spores off the stems and caps with a damn piece of kitchen paper, the moisture and rubbing action seems to bring out the blue on the stem better than just pinching them or whatever


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: the_spice]
    #21708277 - 05/21/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Cool spice, thank you. I think I'll try to find some look alikes and spore print them so I can really have a good look over what not to pick in the future.

Also that's a nice idea with the wet cloth, I'll try that on my next hunt.


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Re: Do P. Sub look-alikes grow among P. Subs? [Re: Rock1084]
    #21708585 - 05/21/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

paper towel is good for this, because you can bury the spore covered wet paper into some woodchips and theoretically it should help create mycelium patches


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