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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420]
#21708213 - 05/21/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Think about it though, if you had a gun you/ those friends would probably be dead. Isn't that worse than some botched attempts?
Seems like to matter how gruesome and painful actually dying or losing friends/family would be worse in the end.
Also are those addicted people former opiate addicts? That seems to be a trend and I think there is something there. My theory is people who have used harder drugs need to take more and also have the addictions burned into their brains, so when exposed to a new fix it takes hold quickly.
Where as other people use it for months to years with only mild to not even noticeably withdrawals.
I used kratom to get off a light opiate addiction 2-4 hydrocodone a day for 3 years. And after my withdraws went away i did get "hooked" on kratom and took it everyday for a couple months until 5 grams no longer got me high. now i take a 3-7 day tolerance break whenever im not getting a full buzz off 5 or less grams and i have never once felt a withdraw from kratom other than the want to take like marijuana addiction and even then its more subtle i can't stand pot tolerance breaks i get so bored.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Asshat331]
#21708220 - 05/21/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive quit kratom a few times, the withdrawals can either be complete HELL for me or a walk in the park. It doesn't even matter how much I was taking each day, its like a coin toss up. Yes I am glad im still here to this day and am glad I had life lessons that didn't end up killing me. If I were to have turned into a vegetable I wouldn't want to be alive though that's what I was thinking when I made the last post.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Asshat331]
#21708265 - 05/21/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah see it like takes the place of the former addiction, making its own "addiction/ withdrawals" much much worse.
Makes complete sense.
I too like to compare it to cannabis, as it is almost all mental for me addiction wise but I can notice some physical effects if I am really abusing it.
For example trouble sleeping, lack of appetite, some moodiness though generally this is pretty short, definite boredom and desire to use it like you said.
I struggle with pot tolerance breaks myself, I generally feel good when I get myself down to several bowls a day and no joints/bongs and extracts... 
That's weird it is random for you FTS, I wonder if its some brain chemistry thing that causes that or what.
Ahhh, I was not thinking o the vegetable thing, great point! That is basically dead as far as we know especially if they never wake up.
It probably really depends on if you brain is active or not becouse I have heard stories of vegetables who remember being in a "coma"
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420]
#21708366 - 05/21/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would imagine kratom maintenance to be a healthier alternative to methadone or suboxone.
Are there any long term studies on kratom use?
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21708390 - 05/21/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look it up man, there is research being done on it around the globe, but especially in asia where it is native.
This article has a nice selection of research at the bottom: Kratom Medical Research
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420]
#21708694 - 05/22/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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After I had heart surgery a few years ago, my heart stopped at the dinner table just a week afterwards. My blood stopped, my breathing stopped, and I came out of my body. We had a medical professional over that claimed me dead. Being out there was the purest bliss I had ever felt. If I was dead, I believe I would be happier. Looking back, I would rather have stayed dead.
Don't worry, I can't do it now. I have a wife and kid to take care of now. I won't let them down.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#21708875 - 05/22/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I'm pretty sure it was the hand gun that killed him not the krantom. No quest to ban those of course.
Are you serious take away our guns? That's our god given American right! Hell guns never hurt no one, we should have more guns, bigger ones with bigger rounds and no backround checks, probably should make silencers legal aswell and Jesus was from Missouri and had blonde hair and blue eyes
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Isoroku Yamamoto
As passionate as all the soccer moms seem, to remove gun rights would bring a host of consequences that would shed light on not only how innocent kratom is, but how deadly lack of responsibilty is as well.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Cognitive_Shift] 1
#21708928 - 05/22/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: "I ruined my life with kratom" what a fucking pussy.
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Kizzle said: I'm pretty sure it was the hand gun that killed him not the krantom. No quest to ban those of course.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#21709342 - 05/22/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Nothing insane about that at all lol you should try and find some new friends, I mean everybody is depressed, but people who are down all the time go nowhere, of course my friends are not happy go lucky cheeky fucks either so you gotta find that happy medium
i can tell that is very true that negative people go nowhere. i am negative by association. my life in a spiral right now but im holding on to my dignity and pride as much as i can. i have an aunt who is VERY depressed, i live with her, and she hasn't gotten anywhere in life so she constantly looks at the bad in life and always has this negative undertone. seems like she tries to bring me down she will randomly come in to "talk" when all she does is passive aggressively insult me and treats me like a jinx and gives me an unwanted feeling of pity. this makes me resent my aunt and i feel bad for her but she has made my cousin into such a negative person he has no hopes and dreams and thinks he could never be anything other than a factory worker. i literally watched this kid give up his dreams and he has been conditioned to believe he cant be what he wants because im sure his moms energy. or atleast that's how it seems.
i WAS a very positive person at one point in life but things changed and now i feel stuck and like i cant get away from negative energies. i feel like this will make it so i cant achieve my goals.
example, i would wake up ready to go out meet people look for a new job and my aunt would be like "yeah its hard to get a job especially since you didn't graduate" but she does it so passive aggressively that you cant really call her a bitch or even mention that what she said was disrespectful and unnecessary.
and i know what she is saying is true but she does this in routine this negative feedback all the time shit.
but for now im stuck here with these negative energies because i don't really have much of anything in life.
again hope i make a lil sense
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420]
#21709388 - 05/22/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh my god this is one of my fears unfolding right before my eyes, first some kid kills himself because hes smoking too much salvia now someone does because of kratom?!
This is fucked, the government is going to have a field day over this!
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21709509 - 05/22/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hear you. I always get that in terms of money. Like for example, a few years back I happened to find a snake that's pretty rare to find. I came in to show my uncle and without batting an eye he asked "well how much is it worth?".. 
Everything's always money money money,...it's like they're not even seeing what they're looking at because big las vegas style dollar signs are lit up in their eyes blinding them. That shit does not fly, in a creative environment..
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Amanita86]
#21709566 - 05/22/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i understand that money is important in these complex times we all live in but i agree it has gotten to a power hungry greedy point that is quite sad and causes many problems in a "free" society.
i am not TOO worried about money i don't have this overwhelming need to be powerful and rich i only wish to survive.
its hard to survive around such negative energy its hard to get anywhere when you know someone is just going to talk you out of being positive for their own sick joy.
its the misery loves company deal i live in and i could literally be happy making jokes and my cousin sees this and turns into an ass and tries to bring me down and once im down he acts all happy.
sometimes i think im going to snap... i want out of here so bad. i make plans to go out and get away from these people but then i get so low by the way they talk and the things they say.
they DWELL on the negative like i m now but they NEVER actually put positive energy in the world.
my cousin constantly acts like hes the only one in the world and has really made himself seem to have a god complex or something.
he has told me he don't think he can die once and it didn't come off jokey.
he thinks Dennis from always sunny is an alright guy but he symbolizes narcissist and god complex and many other very unlikeable characteristics.
i guess im just venting about him but really the kid brings me down. i only ever tried to expand his options in life but he ALWAYS doubts anything fun or good can happen. hes always the party pooper and i moved in with him thinking he was different from when we were younger now im stuck and its rough i am sick right now with an ear infection so i haven't even been able to look for a job.
i just want to add.. he was a virgin until very recently because he was always shallow and cared too much about what others thought or just didn't do anything that could bring an attack to his ego. well he dated a fat girl recently and he was in COMPLETE denial that she was a big girl. i don't have anything against big girls i have been with one before personally not for me though.. anyways we got into a fight one time and i called him out on it and he got very upset since then he has become even more detached from me which is alright but there is a CONSTANT tension in the house i live in and he is also a mommies boy
i just wanted to vent a bit sorry it ended up being in this thread but yeah any one know how to deal with people like this?
i do my best and positivity always trumps negativity making them look like asses but that's how the tension has been built.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9] 1
#21709630 - 05/22/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The best way I've found is "you be you", in one ear and out the other. Don't engage. Focus on you and where you need to be, and keep your eyes on the horizon. It'll be a lesson you take with you for the entirety of your life.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Amanita86]
#21709714 - 05/22/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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thank you i am planning on getting out of the house more soon. getting away from them even if i am alone just being honest its better than being with them.
im not that much of a loner i like my alone time but i also like to socialize and talk with others yknow
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
#21709822 - 05/22/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trichome_Delta9 said: depression is uncomfortable, its something i believe almost everyone is going through. atleast in the world im living in with the people i have in my life and most of the people i meet all seem depressed. most admit it because it so obvious. sometimes i think its just in my life and because of how i am that the people in my life all are depressed but i see other people i don't know and what not and they don't seem depressed but i don't know these people. in my life everyone i know is depressed and always bringing eachother down with negative energy. i just want more positive people in my life.
i try to stay positive but you can hide from the news forever right?
i hope i don't sound too insane.
I'm glad you said that.
I was in a much more rural area than I usually am the other week. It was really weirding me out just how genuinely nice and happy everybody there was.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21710017 - 05/22/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It doesn't really matter if he was on other drugs or not, because meth heroin xanax and even antidepressants don't make you kill yourself. I have used kratom a lot and I used it to kick a heroin habit, the withdrawals were brutal but I would make myself a smoothie of kratom and as long as I didn't vomit the whole thing up, would get near complete relief of my physical symptoms for 4-6 hours. This allowed me to keep my job, which was a big reason I had not quit sooner. I have withdrawn from opiates way too many times, and I do not believe drugs "make" you suicidal, but there was a pronounced depression that came on quickly like 12 hours after my last dose and faded along with my physical symptoms.
Maybe this poor dude just believed all the crazy shit people say about never being able to be happy again once you "ruin your brain chemistry" with drugs, and he tried to quit kratom and had withdrawal symptoms, and thought that was his life from then on, that it would never end. Kratom is effective enough to relieve heroin withdrawals, so I think long term high doses of kratom would have similar withdrawals as other opiates. I used to believe some crazy shit about drugs before I understood them.
As far as banning it, we don't ban people from breaking up and I get depressed as hell when I get dumped. We just accept that it's a feeling everyone goes through and expect people to, at the very least, survive the experience. We feel bad when they don't but attribute it to ... "they weren't well adjusted" obviously this kid wasn't. Hell, I'm not.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: OrgasmicBanana]
#21710208 - 05/22/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like how they don't point out how he was depressed and had severe anxiety problems BEFORE Kratom. Like........that isn't a big deal, or something? Yeah, it was totally the kratom and not the fact he was a ship wreck before the drug.............
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Uzziel]
#21710262 - 05/22/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's not unheard of for parents to drug test their kids when they're living at home at 18 or bad relationships
guess everyone has to get use to the effort of using a knife/drinking beer
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Kizzle] 1
#21710942 - 05/22/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I'm pretty sure it was the hand gun that killed him not the krantom. No quest to ban those of course.
The handgun killed him as much as keyboards make typos.
He killed him. It is utterly ridiculous to ban kratom.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Society]
#21711626 - 05/22/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Suicidal people will be suicidal.
I've not read one report like this. Eyes rolling into the back of his head? He may have been using it for a heroin and/or benzo taper to get better and just had enough. Or hell, a ton of other behavioral or familial personal issues not mentioned in the article.
Blaming this solely on Kratom is absolutely ridiculous. Unless some new study has come out that I'm unaware of I just don't know what to say. And shame on the writer for saying it's addictive, go ban caffeine or beer.
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