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What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide
    #21707449 - 05/21/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah becouse its way easier to blame a plant then your own parenting...

"The parents of a University of Georgia student who committed suicide earlier this month are now speaking out about it — specifically about an unregulated drug called Kratom they say their son John Eden was addicted to, in an aim to save others from the same tragic fate.

“I had a feeling he was on the ledge, and next thing I know I get a knock on my door from a sheriff,” mom Lauren Eden tells Yahoo Parenting, through tears. He told her that John, who was a 22-year-old junior in the Navy Intelligence program, had shot himself while sitting in his truck on May 3.

In the months leading up to that day, she says, her son had come to her and asked for help with what he called an addiction to the substance, which he had initially turned to for his anxiety. She had looked into rehab programs, “but no one had never heard of Kratom,” she recalls. “And at that point we didn’t know where to turn.”

Lauren, who also has a 25-year-old daughter with her husband John, shared her son’s suicide note during an interview with WSBTV. “‘Mom and Dad, I loved you very much,’” she read. “‘Please know there was nothing you could do. I tried everything. I’ve ruined myself with drugs.”

She said he was referring to an age-old Asian herbal supplement called Kratom, which can be used as either a stimulant or a sedative depending on the dosage, and which is made from the leaves of a tree that’s native to Thailand, Malaysia, and Burma. Though a spike in usage has led to recent bans in just a handful of states, including Tennessee and Indiana, it’s not federally regulated and is easy to purchase online. Bags of Kratom, Lauren says, were found in her son’s apartment.

So how dangerous is it? That depends on whom you talk to. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has placed it on its list of Drugs and Chemicals of Concern (in the same company as bath salts and the cough suppressant DXM). “It means it’s not scheduled but is one we’re aware there’s been issues with,” DEA special agent Joseph Moses tells Yahoo Parenting, noting they’ve had reports of Kratom related psychosis. “It’s more for public awareness.”

When ingested in low doses, typically as a tea or pellets, notes the DEA fact sheet on Kratom, the drug, which can be addictive, can cause increased alertness and physical energy. At higher doses, users experience sedative effects.

In addition, the fact sheet states, “Several cases of psychosis resulting from use of Kratom have been reported, where individuals addicted to Kratom exhibited psychotic symptoms, including hallucinations, delusion, and confusion. Withdrawal effects include symptoms of hostility, aggression, mood swings, runny nose, achy muscles and bones, and jerky movement of the limbs.”

In 2014, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced it had seized more than 25,000 pounds of raw Kratom (mitragyna speciosa) from a California warehouse, issuing a warning that the drug can have “pharmacological effects similar to morphine and other opiates.” The seizure, a spokesperson noted, “was taken to safeguard the public from this dangerous product, and FDA will continue to take aggressive enforcement actions against products that are promoted for uses that are unapproved.”

Although she knew her son had begun taking the drug, John’s mother Lauren admits, “I thought it was harmless. He bought it online.” (Indeed, a quick search for purchasing Kratom brings up many options, including a site offering eight different types for prices ranging from $45 to $78 per 4-ounce packet.)

Last year, the family of a Denver man named Guy Garcia, 36, spoke out about the drug after a seizure that killed him, apparently triggered by a Kratom overdose. Garcia’s death certificate, said his mom, listed “apparent acute mitragynine toxicity” as cause of death — a reference to Kratom’s chemical compound, mitragynine. The drug was also blamed (but not confirmed) in the deaths of several others, including a 31-year-old Montana woman and a teenage boy in Florida named Ian Mautner. “He became argumentative; his eyes would roll back in his head. He was delusional at times. He was not the same person,” his mother, Linda Mautner, told CBS Miami last year.

Florida lawmakers are now in the process of attempting to ban the drug in that state, and it’s already illegal Tennessee, Indiana, Vermont, and Wisconsin. But the efforts have ignited a seemingly small but vocal faction of Kratom supporters who say it has important health benefits. They’ve started online petitions, spoken at legislative hearings, and formed coalitions in an effort to keep it legal.

The Botanical Legal Defense, for example — which has a website, albeit with no biographical details about its organizers — is “dedicated to fighting over-reaching government criminalization of nature’s most significant gifts. Chief among these is Mitragyna speciosa (aka Kratom), a natural analgesic, muscle relaxer, anti-inflammatory, and antioxidant.” The herbal supplement, the website explains, has been “widely misrepresented as dangerous and without medical value, when the truth is that is has already been under the scrutiny of the scientific community and has been found to be not only benign, but highly therapeutic.” A series of Reddit threads on the pros and cons of Kratom contain, along with warnings of its potency, first-person accounts of how the drug was beneficial.

Still, John’s parents say they will not back down with their message. “I’m talking about our young people,” Lauren says. “This has to become illegal — or at least something that is only prescribed to someone under a doctor’s care.”

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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21707508 - 05/21/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What about the people that have used Kratom to get off of hard addictive drugs. Or for pain, anxiety, panic attacks, maybe even just recreational fun. People ALWAYS hafta ruin it for others.
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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MistaToast] * 6
    #21707530 - 05/21/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"I ruined my life with kratom"  what a fucking pussy.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: musiclover420] * 3
    #21707545 - 05/21/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it was the hand gun that killed him not the krantom. No quest to ban those of course.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MistaToast]
    #21707558 - 05/21/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

its like we don't have personal responsibility any more. these are adults taking these drugs themselves. the kid who killed himself was probably not only using kratom and a lot can attribute to depression. the society we live in where we "demonize" drugs and pretend people are victims when really people are often taking these drugs willingly. people are the problem not drugs. educate people and maybe the kid wouldn't have beat himself of because he used drugs. im sure no one ever made him feel good enough only because he used drugs and if he cant feel comfortable in his own skin what do you think the end result will be.

we NEED to stop kicking and screaming, pointing fingers at the "bad man"(drugs) take responsibility for our actions like adults and educate.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21707571 - 05/21/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The truth to why people kill themselves is really complicated, so it's easiest to have an answer and blame it on the drug.  If you have an answer at least your mental narrative of events is complete, instead of always wondering why.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Kizzle]
    #21707589 - 05/21/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it was the hand gun that killed him not the krantom. No quest to ban those of course.





Are you serious take away our guns? That's our god given American right! Hell guns never hurt no one, we should have more guns, bigger ones with bigger rounds and no backround checks, probably should make silencers legal aswell and Jesus was from Missouri and had blonde hair and blue eyes


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21707620 - 05/21/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the reason people kill themselves is because they are uncomfortable in their skin.

that's if we are talking about voluntary suicide not accidental.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21707621 - 05/21/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl2:

Great replies everyone :thumbup:

Glad I am not the only one who is extremely bothered by this article.

I wonder if I could find the parents info to write a "strongly worded letter" :lol:

Seriously, kratom does wonders for my depression and anxiety, I actually just turned a 70~ year old onto kratom as a natural alternative to the xanax he was taking...

I would have to agree that that guy was probably taking other drugs too. Or would have killed himself regardless of the kratom.

This scenario makes sense to me:

Person has depression issues, start staking drugs to help with the depression. Realizes drugs will just make it worse so turns to kratom as an alternative. Starts regularly using kratom to help instead of trying to fix whatever issues are making him depressed in the first place. Takes more and more kratom until he has a tolerance and the depression comes back even worse than before so he kills himself...


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21707633 - 05/21/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Of course I don't really want them to ban anything. I just wish some of these people were as adamant about the right to use a plant if it makes you feel better as they are the right to possess the means to murder someone.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Kizzle]
    #21707644 - 05/21/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

man what a fucking  :shitbird:


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21707655 - 05/21/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yea that's about the best way of putting it, but there are many many different reasons people do it, I had a buddy who tried to kill himself when he was young like 13 or 14 by locking himself in his closet and setting it on fire. If you knew today you would have never guessed, I've talked to him about he said he was just depressed and had been diagnosed with clinical depression no other way of putting it, but now a totally positive guy with a good live it's just sad all these kids that off them selves before really getting a chance to work their problems out and talk to someone.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21707695 - 05/21/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

depression is uncomfortable, its something i believe almost everyone is going through. atleast in the world im living in with the people i have in my life and most of the people i meet all seem depressed. most admit it because it so obvious. sometimes i think its just in my life and because of how i am that the people in my life all are depressed but i see other people i don't know and what not and they don't seem depressed but i don't know these people. in my life everyone i know is depressed and always bringing eachother down with negative energy. i just want more positive people in my life.

i try to stay positive but you can hide from the news forever right?

i hope i don't sound too insane.:zomgteehee:


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21707724 - 05/21/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing insane about that at all lol you should try and find some new friends, I mean everybody is depressed, but people who are down all the time go nowhere, of course my friends are not happy go lucky cheeky fucks either so you gotta find that happy medium


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21707737 - 05/21/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You don't insane at all, at least not to me.

I too know tons of negative people constantly projecting that shit onto people around them, I actually just had a falling out with a friend over that.

Said friend was basically going off about how selfish everyone is, and I got fed up with him just being negative and judgmental so I tried to say how that is a lame judgement. And how even if "everyone" is selfish that's all the more reason to be positive and work on yourself, which he then was offended by me not just agreeing with him and started getting aggro. Said I was "annoying" after he started raging about it :lol: needless to say I have not been hanging out with him since then.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21707745 - 05/21/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

On the bright side, at least he had a gun. I know what being depressed and suicidal is like. Realistically, a gun is the most humane way to commit suicide. It would be a lot faster and less painful than many other methods.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Stargate]
    #21707767 - 05/21/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

To me depression is a feeling like there's no possible way to be happy no matter what you do.  Luckily my depression comes and goes and I'm a real drug addict.  Never been suicidal before though, that's like a whole new level of hating yourself.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Stargate]
    #21707771 - 05/21/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would say that is a sad thing man.

I have been suicidal before in the past and if I had access to a gun I might be dead right now, maybe if he had not had a gun he would be alive :shrug:


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: Stargate]
    #21708122 - 05/21/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know people who are addicted to kratom, it saved there life.
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On the bright side, at least he had a gun. I know what being depressed and suicidal is like. Realistically, a gun is the most humane way to commit suicide. It would be a lot faster and less painful than many other methods.



As morbid as that sounds you are absolutely right. I know people including myself who have tryed committing suicide multiple times and it has done damage to them/me.


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Re: What's Kratom? Parents Claim the Drug Drove Son to Suicide [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21708156 - 05/21/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Think about it though, if you had a gun you/ those friends would probably be dead. Isn't that worse than some botched attempts?

Seems like to matter how gruesome and painful actually dying or losing friends/family would be worse in the end.

Also are those addicted people former opiate addicts? That seems to be a trend and I think there is something there. My theory is people who have used harder drugs need to take more and also have the addictions burned into their brains, so when exposed to a new fix it takes hold quickly.

Where as other people use it for months to years with only mild to not even noticeably withdrawals.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

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