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#21707279 - 05/21/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys excited for the Bob Weir documentary coming out tomorrow, May 22nd, on Netflix called The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir? I am. Very strange that it's only about Bobby and not the entire Grateful Dead, but still. Rolling Stone did an interview with him about it and I'm sold!
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Bob Weir on Dead Reunion, His Doc and Being Jerry's 'Bag Man' "I'll never step out of Jerry's shadow, nor he out of mine," says the guitarist By David Browne May 20, 2015
During Jerry Garcia's lifetime, the Grateful Dead had a special bond with New York City — so much so that, last week, Bob Weir, Bill Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart (along with Garcia's daughter, Trixie) attended a ceremony that inducted the Dead into Madison Square Garden's Walk of Fame to commemorate the band's 52 shows between 1979 and 1994. But Weir had other reasons for being in town. He was up for talking about The Other One: The Long Strange Trip of Bob Weir, the first doc to focus exclusively on the Dead's longtime singer, guitarist and occasional heartthrob. (It debuts on Netflix this Friday, May 22nd.) And he was also in the city to rehearse Dead songs with Phish's Trey Anastasio, who will be joining the "core four" surviving members for the upcoming "Fare Thee Well" shows in Santa Clara, California, and Chicago.
Weir took a break to talk to Rolling Stone about the movie, the state of the tour rehearsals and why the Dead chose Anastasio for the daunting task of stepping into Jerry's shoes.
What was your first reaction when you were approached about a movie devoted to you and not the Dead? You know — "a movie about me?" [Laughs] With an asterisk on either side and three big question marks after that. That's all that came to mind. But then it occurred to me, well, I'm awful busy these days and the director, Mike Fleiss, convinced me there was a story there. I've felt for the longest time that I've got to write a book. I'm going to have to do it, I realize, but this gives me another year or two to gin up the resolve to do. This buys me some time. So I jumped at the chance.
Starting with the title, did you think, "Here's a way for me to finally step out of Jerry's shadow"? You know, no — absolutely not. I'll never step out of Jerry's shadow nor he out of mine. People don't really understand the dynamic we worked in, and perhaps when I get a chance to write a book, I can elucidate on that a bit. We worked together. We worked at mending our efforts.
What did you bring out in Jerry? One of the things I did was I kept time for him. Some people were born with perfect pitch. I was born with perfect time. It's kind of equally rare. He also had close to perfect time, but he needed someone else to rely on and I did that to the best of my ability. He also liked the way I colored the music from our first night together in Palo Alto on New Year's Eve, 1964. He laced his lines through that coloration. That's how we worked together. And we were drawing from the same idioms.
In the movie we see you return to 710 Ashbury, the building where the Dead lived for a short period in the mid to late Sixties. When was the last time you were there? Well, I'll tell you what — the last time was, I guess, the day I moved out in 1968. The neighborhood is a lot nicer than it was at that point. One of the reasons we left Haight-Ashbury was because the drug dealers had moved in and staked their turf, and the people that the attention brought into the neighborhood weren't the people who made the real Summer of Love, which was 1966. That all went to hell quickly when the media caught wind of it and started trumpeting it.
What memories did that house bring back? When I went inside, it was partly recognizable to me; a lot of [the place] still seemed homey. It was more nicely turned out than it was in our day. The good folks who live there now refined the place. It's real nice digs. Back in our day — I won't say it was a hippie flophouse. We did our best. But we didn't have the benefit of too much income or the years on the place to polish it up.
What did you learn about yourself watching the movie? It drove home the point that I'm a guy who loves adventure. I need adventure in the music I'm going to be involved in or else it's not going to hold my interest. After the movie came together and I saw it, it's become real clear that I absolutely have to write this book. There was no way a two-hour movie could tell all the stories. I've seen stuff not a lot of people have seen.
At one point in the movie, you talk about being Jerry's "bag man" — carrying his drugs around for him and making sure he didn't take too much. How difficult was it to talk about that on camera? Nothing is particularly more difficult than anything else for me to talk about. I'm pretty open. If there was a point in telling that story, I'll tell it. I don't remember exactly what the point of that story was — it's been a year since I've seen the movie and I can't bring it fully to mind right now.
The context was Jerry's struggles, how tough those problems were on you and how you were trying to help him in whatever way you could. Right. I don't know how tough that was. It was life as it presented itself to us. We were close, and whatever he had to go through, he had to go through. I was on his side, and he was on my side, same deal, with whatever I was going through — like getting my heart broken again or whatever. He was there to hear about it when things came crashing down.
What was Trixie referring to when she said you were able to get away with things in the Dead because you were the good-looking guy in the band? I'm headstrong. Always have been. I was born that way. And [Jerry] expected me to be that way from time to time. This happened nightly on stage. Jerry would make a suggestion musically and I was headed somewhere else, and he oftentimes had to go with that. I was intent on following the thread I had. It didn't happen all the time by any means. But there were times when there were different opinions of where to take something. And for what it's worth, if I hadn't been that way, he would have found me less interesting to work with. It may not have lasted that long.
What's the status of the Fare Thee Well shows right now? I'm here in New York working with Trey on songs. Getting arrangements down. We're lining up who gets what vocal parts, where to take the guitar work and how to work off each other, that kind of thing. Having good fun doing it.
In terms of this reunion, some think you got the ball rolling early last year when you told Rolling Stone that the band should "man up," bury any hatchets and reunite for their 50th anniversary. I don't know if the credit's to me or if it just occurred to everybody else at the same time. But things got rolling, I guess, eight months ago or so. I'm real happy to see it happening now.
Given the ups and downs you've all had together since Jerry's death, how surprised are you that it's come together? Well, I'm a little surprised. But I'm happy to see the guys have gotten over their disagreements and differences and whatever, and risen to the occasion. We really owe it to ourselves every bit as much as we owe it to the fans, who've kept us off the streets for 50 years. But we owe each other a debt of gratitude as well, for investing in our lives together.
How would you describe the last 20 years? It's been a period for me of cranking up the exploration as best I can, now that I don't have my old pal and sidekick to play off of.
Why did you all choose Trey? I think, really, he's the guy. There are a couple of other guitarists who might be able to handle that load. One of the guitarists — and I'll leave names out of this conversation — is real good but he doesn't sing. And Trey does the whole thing, and he also gets what we're up to. He was profoundly influenced by us early on, and he knows what we're drawing from. He's the right guy.
How are you preparing for the show? You had a shoulder operation not too long ago. I did all that kind of stuff and the operation was a semi-success. It didn't help my shoulder, but it helped my neck, which was also a situation. Going into six decades now, I've been hanging my head to the left to watch my chording hand, and it's caused stress over decades. So I have to realign myself to play the instrument. What I have to do now is play without looking at my hands, so I'm doing lots of practice blind-folded. I'm forced to listen more intently to what I'm doing, and it takes me out of certain patterns I might fall into. I think it'll have some pretty big payoff if I can do it.
Have you read Bill Kreutzmann's new book? No. I'm not reading anybody's book until I've written mine. Then I'll have a stack of reading to do.
You, Phil and Trey rehearsed on May 1st at Lesh's club, Terrapin Crossroads. What did you accomplish? That was the first time we've convened for this project and that was just fine. We put in a fair amount of work. It was one day, but a long day. Phil had it set up for us to play [that night], but I didn't stick around. I was spent by the time we were done. I think Trey did stick around, but I don't think he played much [laughs]. I can't bring to mind what songs we were working on, but there were a couple dozen. It's safe to say a lot of your favorite chestnuts will be played. The point we're making to the guys in general is: It's not the playing that made us famous. It was the songs. I want to make sure we have the right songs trotted out.
And speaking of live shows, in the movie Bill Kreutzmann makes fun of your fondness for skimpy shorts onstage. [Laughs] Well, I have something of an aversion to heat and I saw no point in suffering needlessly. The shorts were an attempt at self-preservation. It's always July under the lights. I don't know why it took so long to dawn on me, but I thought, all I have to do is get rid of the long pants and that'll alleviate some of the problem. In the years since, before I go onstage I soak my shirt in ice water in the beer cooler, wring it out and put it back on. Now I'm happy as a clam. It took me a long time to figure that thing out, for some reason.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 3
#21707358 - 05/21/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah i heard about this gettin ready for the Dear Jerry show; i'm pretty psyched - needless to say. I'm not goin to work tomorrow; so i'll probably wake up, wake and bake, watch this movie, then hit the road and head on in to the Dark Star Jubilee 
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 2
#21707382 - 05/21/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing! This is going to be great! I love hearing more stories from them guys. They're always from an awesome angle.
Keen for July...
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Shortknight]
#21707391 - 05/21/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Bees are good too. they remind me of the Grateful Dead in places.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: memes]
#21707419 - 05/21/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweet Meems. Sounds like a good time. You smokin' again?
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#21707420 - 05/21/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will be anxiously awaiting it to be posted up tonight hopefully its on there when the clock strikes midnight. Either way ill be tripping so watchen it on the come up or come down (or atleast try too!).
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21707431 - 05/21/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A fellow shroomerite sent me a link to the trailer, looks like a great film would love to see it
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21707462 - 05/21/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is awesome! I definitely gotta check this out when I get back in town on Monday. Great interview.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21707465 - 05/21/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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more or less; but i'm about to turn the lights back out. my desire comes in ebbs and flows. i'm finding myself increasingly bipolar recently, think its time to nix it again and let my body harmonize
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21707653 - 05/21/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Sweet Meems. Sounds like a good time. You smokin' again?

Rita looks really high...
I am greatly anticipating this, I will have to whip out my Bobby shorts for the occasion.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21711838 - 05/22/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What a smart, thoughtful man he is. It surprises me not one bit.
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#21711926 - 05/22/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gonna watch it tonight smoking hella weed im gonna love it looks dope
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: SunnyD] 1
#21712362 - 05/22/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i am more than half way through it, its been a good watch, thanks op. 
i knew they played in egypt but i didnt know they played like right next to the pyramids in the ancient arena, i thought that was pretty neat.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: zZZz] 1
#21712770 - 05/23/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just watched this on a whim, that makes two great docs I've watched in the last month or so due to your recommendation Learyfan!
Whole song is great as well as the album but I always really loved that little bit at 6:35!
Sometimes I get The Other One mixed up with this one. They flow together though as many songs do, as like one gigantic song, so don't hate I've never claimed to be a "deadhead" by any means, but for years I've liked me some GD 
I've always tended towards their earlier works, but I'm like that with most artists, maybe that's like "extra hipster" LOL before they get all "famous" and all but it's not even really a conscious decision on my part; even after acing two music classes this semester I can honestly say I haven't learned much as usual from school and that I just learned what was needed for the grades. Then again I did learn a FEW things, but my tastes haven't changed a ton, just opened a bit.
Something just feels raw and genuine about the earlier works of some artists, and professional musicians generally like to "grow" from that point but as simply a listener, I can always appreciate that sound created before fame and development that just seemed "pure." I dunno. This is getting slightly off topic from the documentary now... I just felt like saying that cuz Anthem of the Sun and Aoxomoxoa (pretty sure it's a palindrome, I'm not looking any of this stuff up lol) and Live/Dead have always been some favorites of mine. Their first record was even dirtier than these I think - self titled wasn't it? - I can't recall too much from that album, but I really like Morning Dew and Beat It On Down The Line (and all of the Minglewood Blues songs ha).
That Minglewood Blues... woo......... first heavy acid trip when I heard that song I thought I was god and just really drunk the Grateful Dead carried me through that whole trip, what an amazing experience I will never forget 
Anyway, I can't think of a ton to say about the doc since again I'm not a diehard deadhead nor a "music connoisseur" but I still enjoyed the doc a lot. I don't think you have to be a diehard deadhead to enjoy watching it, though if you are a diehard deadhead, I think this has got to be on your bucket list lol, if you live for everything dead essentially. I connected with the bit about Bob being adopted, since I am too, and even before knowing that I always liked him a lot in the band 
Yea nothing more to say really, just that I enjoyed the documentary, and thanks again Learyfan for hooking up another great watch on Netflix! Keep posting cool docs and I'll comment on them  
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21712798 - 05/23/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've waited a very long time for a Bobby only document. I find him the most interesting musician out of the band. Excluding anything to do with the drums; he's the only one in the band who I just don't understand what they are doing musically. I.e. I know the theory on how Jerry plays guitar, I even know the theory on how Phil plays bass (and I'm certainly no bassist), but when Bobby plays he's doing something under appreciatedly complex (particularly during any early recordings). How people seem to take his talent in the band for granted is fucked up
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21712836 - 05/23/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just watched this today. It was a great documentary. Netflix is always on point.
Made me think about the underbelly of the counter culture movement.
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#21713962 - 05/23/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm pretty surprised at how well made this is. Lots of great old footage, it's nice seeing the whole band together with everyone smiling and laughing with one another. Lots of touching moments in this, I teared up for a good bit of the 2nd half of it.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Shroomopotamus] 1
#21713972 - 05/23/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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watchin it now bout halfway thru it is really well made i love the graphics n stuff
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: extreme]
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Glad you guys liked it as much as I did. Yeah Extreme, it was pretty cool to see Bob's biological father. Wasn't it the guy's other son (Bob's step-brother) who said "The only Bob Weir I know is in the Grateful Dead" lol. Good line. Pretty wild to find out that you have a long-lost, famous and filthy rich son. And I loved the parts about the Acid Tests, of course. The parts about the groupies was interesting. And of course the parts where Bobby talks about Jerry were great. He nearly broke down a few times. I loved the part where they go into the 710 Ashbury St. house. I would have loved to have seen 30 minutes of just that house, but I'm surprised the current tenants allowed even that short clip to be shown.
Also, here's one interesting thing I noticed. Bob says he first took LSD on August 1st, 1965. They didn't mention, or apparently notice it, but August 1st is Jerry's birthday.

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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 1
#21714004 - 05/23/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amazing film.....
Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space It trembled and exploded, left a bus stop in its place The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land
(Neal cassady died walking down the railroad tracks in Mexico while Bob was writing that song....that song and Neal cassady ive always had a high affinity for, though I never knew that Neal died when Bob was writing that song until he said it in this film...)
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Oh, that's right. I forgot that Bob had written that song the very night that Cassady died. Very eerie coincidence. Also, I didn't know (or remember?) that Bob and Cassady were roommates at 710 Ashbury. Pretty rad. And also, before that, Bob said he bought some weed off Cassady. First off, I didn't know that Neal Cassady sold weed? Or did he just hook his friend up? And didn't Bob smoke that weed with Jerry on the day they met or something? It was at some significant moment.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21714060 - 05/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just watched it last night. It was the highlighted/featured film on the Netflix queue and I have to admit, it was amazing.
I've never been into the dead. Not that I don't like their music, because I enjoy it from time to time but it's just never really been my style of tunes that I feel the urge to listen to.
Anyways, amazing documentary like I said. The life and times of Bob Weir were awesome for lack of a better descriptive word.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] 1
#21714397 - 05/23/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If Bob scored from Neal cassady, chances are cassady scored from ken kesey or one of the merry pranksters, people who were really in the know when it came to quality psychedelics (their acid came from owsley "bear" Stanley or nick sand or Tim scully, all very talented chemists....kesey was given alpha-methyl-tryptamine in a government test in papa alto California, the research lab was robbed of all their LSD and AMT, at the exact same time that AMT showed up on furthur, so you know it was kesey or one of the pranksters who stole all those beautifully synthesized psychedelics.
Bob said he felt like Neal was there writing the song with him, that song has always made me think of Neal, partly because the Rhythm of the lyrics reminds me of the Rhythm in which cassady would sometimes speak, and because of the verse "The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land" (the bus is obviously furthur, intentionally left misspelled after someone wrote the word in that way for the destination sign)
Neal cassady was an amazing man, in "on the road" when jack kerouac writes about dean Moriarty, he is talking about Neal cassady, Neal eventually ended up being the driver of "furthur" the bus of the merry pranksters and ken kesey, who held "acid tests", which the dead eventually became the house band for...
Jack kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, William Burroughs, ken kesey, the grateful dead, and so on will all have this amazing picture to paint of Neal cassasdy
“So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the West Coast, and all that road going, and all the people dreaming in the immensity of it, and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land where they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and shedding her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all the rivers, cups the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean Moriarty.” -jack kerouac
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Learyfan said: Very eerie coincidence.
It came to my attention years ago, that the whole thing that was the grateful dead, was surrounded by eerie happenings. This has led me to believe that the boys had some greater force which surrounded them, strange I know, but Bobby Weir controls the weather and everything is just exactly perfect.
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Learyfan said: Glad you guys liked it as much as I did. Yeah Extreme, it was pretty cool to see Bob's biological father. Wasn't it the guy's other son (Bob's step-brother) who said "The only Bob Weir I know is in the Grateful Dead" lol. Good line. Pretty wild to find out that you have a long-lost, famous and filthy rich son. And I loved the parts about the Acid Tests, of course. The parts about the groupies was interesting. And of course the parts where Bobby talks about Jerry were great. He nearly broke down a few times. I loved the part where they go into the 710 Ashbury St. house. I would have loved to have seen 30 minutes of just that house, but I'm surprised the current tenants allowed even that short clip to be shown.
Also, here's one interesting thing I noticed. Bob says he first took LSD on August 1st, 1965. They didn't mention, or apparently notice it, but August 1st is Jerry's birthday.

Haha yea man, that was a great story and was pretty funny, his dad had no idea then his son said that and he was like "Oh, sweet!" Bob said it well, as the same goes for me; with the love for your adoptive family you still wanna know where you come from.
Also I forgot to mention it a lot in my last post, but the detail about his relationship with Jerry was great. It was really sad that Jerry was practically worshipped as a god though, I never really understood that personally, I mean Jerry obviously had a huge role in the band, but I don't know how people were putting him alone on some messianic pedestal. It ended up becoming overwhelming and too much for him to bear without some "help" aka heroin. That part was sad but enlightening to learn about.
Oh yea, and that part about the acid tests was certainly awesome too! I agree Coincident, that story about Neal and the lyrics to The Other One was great, I knew that bit about Neal beforehand but had no idea the full story about how he died that same night, gives me chills thinking about his random and strange death while at the same time Bob wrote about him. Didn't know all that about Neal in the first place... he seemed like quite the character and a very interesting man.
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Awesome, im gonna check this out, with the right mindstate gonna be dope
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....ive always been a dead fan because I was a fan of Neal cassady, the beat writers, and Mr. Kesey and his acid test concept, the dead has SO many connections to the figures and events that truley inspired me....then I guess I like the music too, I mean some songs will forever be meaningful in my life....but its more of that the dead caught on to a wave of high novelty that they were riding, and I love everything connected to that particular tsunami of novelty that crashed into the west coast through out the 1960s.....
Theres a good deal that they left out of that documentary.....
Still an amazing film, according to Bob I'm not a true fan because the music is secondary to the history for me....though I don't think he was refering to people like me when he made that comment....
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It was a pretty cool documentary 
i enjoyed it alot
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Bob could have gotten the acid directly from Owsley as he was their sound engineer for a while. I know someone who photographed some groups back in the day and he got his stuff directly from Owsley during his period with the Dead. He also got to trip with the group a few times at their place and on the road.
Just finished the documentary. Quite well made. Reminded me of Scorsese's film on George Harrison.
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i'm not a deadhead and i thought it was really good. i watched it last friday.
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#21724003 - 05/26/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Soul-Shine said: Bob could have gotten the acid directly from Owsley as he was their sound engineer for a while. I know someone who photographed some groups back in the day and he got his stuff directly from Owsley during his period with the Dead. He also got to trip with the group a few times at their place and on the road.
Just finished the documentary. Quite well made. Reminded me of Scorsese's film on George Harrison.
Owsley "bear" Stanley produced "white lightening" a Brand of LSD being supplied to kesey, the pranksters, the acid tests and the dead....look at a "steal your face" logo, I see white lightening LSD and the coincentia oppositorum that LSD causes every time I see a "stealy "
The other popular brand of LSD from the time was "orange sunshine" this was a product of Nick sand and Tim scully, who both had connections to owsley....
...like I said, the history is what draws me to the dead, they caught on to.something amazing and rode that novel wave to the end....not just the dead every amazing personality connected to that particular revolution and LSD.....
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Drumdude27] 2
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You guys i've watched this three times now, its fucking great. I love the underwater scoobadiving scene Im not even gonna talk about it further, that was one of the most soul struck moments in the whole video.
Bob Weir could really relate to his fans i felt. He ran away from home just like all the hippie kids that followed the dead, and they really were a kind of heady psychedelic "circus". I don't know if this is just my observation but a fraction of deadheads have mental issues, like its a percentage of the followers that felt outcasted in other groups but were able to find love and family within dead tour, and i think Bobby relates to this too as he states in the documentary he is dyslexic and never found formal education to work for him.
On another note, I just got back from visiting the Kesey's property where famous author, Ken Kesey, and the Merry Pranksters lived after the acids tests. The property was once full of hippys and wanderers but that has changed since kesey's death, though people still do trespass to the dismay of the kesey family.
I saw the old further bus in its full archaic beauty, the real one from the electric kool-aid acid tests. I also saw the new one, which is once again being re-painted! A lot of the designs stay though.
The house is still a trip, full of psychedelic art, the whole place is a trip, the history feels very alive.
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#21724356 - 05/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I watched this last night. It was pretty awesome. I especially like Bob's statement at the very end. It was something like "I realized that we are all one and now I'm trying to do something that is timeless". I thought that was pretty cool and I see where he's coming from.
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Is it just me or does the kid holding the flag at 41:16 look like Anthony Kiedis?
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Drumdude27]
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I like how it shed light on how the whole Jerry iconism started. Their music video on MTV touch of grey is what started the whole thing. Before that the popular focus was on Bob. I like Jerry and all but it was good to see the truth finally come out about how socially engineered the dead scene became during the late 80's and 90's.
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Everything said " I saw the old further bus in its full archaic beauty, the real one from the electric kool-aid acid tests. I also saw the new one, which is once again being re-painted! A lot of the designs stay though"
------- The restoration of FURTHUR
(When kesey had first obtained the bus, one of the pranksters wrote in "furthur" in the destination sign, and through out the buses adventures they left the name misspelled)
http://furthurdowntheroad.org/index.php/history/furthur-the-bus-then-now/
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What a nightmare, the dead scene in the late 80s and 90s was full of a good deal of people who perhaps didn't deserve to be there and did a good deal to turn that scene into something that it never should have become....and where are all those people now? The real dead heads are still supporting the dead, but wow, look at how many dead heads there are now compared to then, all the people squatting on and ruining the scene in the late 80s and 90s all moved on to other scenes to wreck....
The dead was never meant to be mainstream, and for the breif period when that's what happened it wrecked the core of the scene, these people were violent, materialist, and ignorant of the history and the norms of the culture.....
...I may just be bitter about seeing the things I love become mainstream, but when things are small, and only the true inspirational and free souls are involved, it prevents it from becoming a plastic "cookie-cutter" clique, anybody can wear a tye-dye shirt and smoke pot, it was never suposed to be about conforming to a set image, and in the late 80s and 90s, all the true freaks (I mean that in a positive sense) with free minds were over run by a conformist cookie cutter parade....
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....Sammy Hagar is a dousche bag....the only thing I disliked was having to listen to Sammy hagars stupid shit every so often through out the film....
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In many ways, for this I am grateful for the EDM scene because in recent years it seems to be absorbing most of the young kids that are just out there to get fucked up. Most of these kids have no idea who the Grateful Dead is. I had to step away from the modern jamband scene for a while. It seems to have gotten much smaller and better now that EDM's popularity has risen to so much.
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Yeh its pretty hilarious how pimped out the dead are now adays I mean its almost a fucking joke to me lol. Is bobby still doing that tour with john mayer? After all the buzz from this im sure pepsi will sponsore a full stadium tour and dvd box set. Throw mike gordon in there did you guys see his interview!? badda bing badda boom you made a trillion fucking dollars baby yeh fuck yeh. Gotta milk this fucking cow till its gratefully dead yeeeehhhh fuck yeh. But seriously the jam band scene was destroyed because of the satanic band phish. Some time in the early 90's tray made some kinda deal wit Satan. Think about it. All the phish song the symbolizm. Think of all the phish fans. Dont you think its jus a little suspicious. I mean Ive only jus scratched the surface of this thing but theres some seriously dark stuff going on over there alot of it is centered around opiates and using black magic to corrupt young souls for satan other wise known as getting them "down with the disease."
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gonna watch this tonight,
thanks for the heads up LF!!
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Dude....what? Phish is awesome.
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Everything] 1
#21732205 - 05/28/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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dude such a good documantary.
I'm not a super die hard deadhead, so maybe there's some criticism to be had, but I though it was really enjoyable to watch for sure.
lots of good old footage.
I never knew jerry was a diver
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] 1
#21732224 - 05/28/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The documentary in the link below (45 minutes long) gives you information on everything and everybody that shared in close connection to the grateful dead, basically everything ive been bringing up that was not the dead, but was closeley intertwined with the dead and the culture they sprouted from, any way its a great film on the culture and times the dead were a part of.
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A great Documentry for anyone interested in the grateful dead or even just the hippie era.
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what a hoot....
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
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Trichome_Delta9 said: A great Documentry for anyone interested in the grateful dead or even just the hippie era.
I thought in the quote (from your signiture) that it was "sub-projectively" not "subjectively"....but I may be wrong...
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
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I remember that quote from a tool song, perhaps manard altered it?
I think sub-projectivley fits better...
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Guys, it's "subjectively". Please listen to a clip of him saying it on YouTube and move on. This is about Bob Weir's documentary.
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Learyfan said:I loved the part where they go into the 710 Ashbury St. house. I would have loved to have seen 30 minutes of just that house, but I'm surprised the current tenants allowed even that short clip to be shown.
It was fun envisioning them all there while they were doing the mini house tour 
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That was my personal favorite part of the documentary too, I would LOVE to see more footage from the dive. Everything that was filmed that day, I want it.
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Scratch that, just found a good bit more of the underwater footage on youtube Here are the videos for anyone interested
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said: Guys, it's "subjectively". Please listen to a clip of him saying it on YouTube and move on. This is about Bob Weir's documentary.
I cant even remember the tool song that the qoute I was refering to was from, I just thought I remembered hearing something different so I asked the person who had the qoute in their post. No need to take it personally, I was simply inquiring if there were variations on this quote, if there wasn't just simply saying "ive never heard any other variations on it" would have done just fine.
Multiple things can be discussed in a single thread, I was curious about a qoute, whats wrong with that? Every other post has related to the dead or further or kesey or cassady, so its not like I'm not contributing to the actual coversstion otherwise.
But yeah, its really not that important to me, and i wont bring it up again if its that detrimental to the thread.
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Shroomopotamus said: Scratch that, just found a good bit more of the underwater footage on youtube Here are the videos for anyone interested

for a guy whos already lost most of a finger, he's pretty ballsy with those eels
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Documentary into fans of the dead, I'm sure all of you have lived this at one point
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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan]
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I watched this movie while in the hospital. I don't listen to the grateful dead, like ever. And until I read the description I had no idea who Bob Weir was, never heard that name before. And I still loved this movie 
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Bob said the last time he saw Jerry was at soldier field in Chicago and Jerry said "it was a hoot!"
The upcomming show at soldier field keeps reminding me of the part of the film where Bob was talking about the last time he saw Jerry, its kind of sad that for all of us soldier field is going to be the last place we see the grateful dead.
No band could ever replace the dead, the history behind the band is amazing, they had connections to some of the most influential individuals of that time, Neal cassady, Allen Ginsberg, ken kesey, owsley bear Stanley, and many more, they were the house bend for ken kesey and the merry pranksters "acid test" events, and this is just the begining! No band has such novel connections in history as the grateful dead, and their following reflects this as well, that wave of novelty that they caught onto attracts free individuals like moths to a flame, from the very start as the warlocks or as the early grateful dead playing acid tests through the amazing album production of the 1970s into the late 1980s and early 1990s where their populairity hit an unbelieveable high, no band has ever had such a long strange trip, and the fans that have followed them, catching onto that same novel wave which the dead found in the 1960s and the beats discovered slightly earlier, becoming a piece of this thing as well....no band could ever replace the grateful dead....
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