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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21714037 - 05/23/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, that's right.  I forgot that Bob had written that song the very night that Cassady died.  Very eerie coincidence.  Also, I didn't know (or remember?) that Bob and Cassady were roommates at 710 Ashbury.  Pretty rad.  And also, before that, Bob said he bought some weed off Cassady.  First off, I didn't know that Neal Cassady sold weed?  Or did he just hook his friend up?  And didn't Bob smoke that weed with Jerry on the day they met or something?  It was at some significant moment. 
















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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21714060 - 05/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just watched it last night.
It was the highlighted/featured film on the Netflix queue and I have to admit, it was amazing.

I've never been into the dead. Not that I don't like their music, because I enjoy it from time to time but
it's just never really been my style of tunes that I feel the urge to listen to.

Anyways, amazing documentary like I said. The life and times of Bob Weir were awesome for lack of a better descriptive word. :thumbup:


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21714397 - 05/23/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If Bob scored from Neal cassady, chances are cassady scored from ken kesey or one of the merry pranksters, people who were really in the know when it came to quality psychedelics (their acid came from owsley "bear" Stanley or nick sand or Tim scully, all very talented chemists....kesey was given alpha-methyl-tryptamine in a government test in papa alto California, the research lab was robbed of all their LSD and AMT, at the exact same time that AMT showed up on furthur, so you know it was kesey or one of the pranksters who stole all those beautifully synthesized psychedelics.

Bob said he felt like Neal was there writing the song with him, that song has always made me think of Neal, partly because the Rhythm of the  lyrics reminds me of the Rhythm in which cassady would sometimes speak, and because  of the verse "The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began There was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land" (the bus is obviously furthur, intentionally left misspelled after someone wrote the word in that way for the destination sign)

Neal cassady was an amazing man, in "on the road" when jack kerouac writes about dean Moriarty, he is talking about Neal cassady, Neal eventually ended up being the driver of "furthur" the bus of the merry pranksters and ken kesey, who held "acid tests", which the dead eventually became the house band for...

Jack kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, William Burroughs, ken kesey, the grateful dead, and so on will all have this amazing picture to paint of Neal cassasdy

“So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the West Coast, and all that road going, and all the people dreaming in the immensity of it, and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land where they let the children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and shedding her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all the rivers, cups the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what's going to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean Moriarty.” -jack kerouac


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21714402 - 05/23/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It was suposed to.say palo alto California....Damn autocorrect


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21714430 - 05/23/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Very eerie coincidence. 




It came to my attention years ago, that the whole thing that was the grateful dead, was surrounded by eerie happenings.
This has led me to believe that the boys had some greater force which surrounded them, strange I know, but Bobby Weir controls the weather and everything is just exactly perfect.



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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #21714789 - 05/23/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Glad you guys liked it as much as I did.  Yeah Extreme, it was pretty cool to see Bob's biological father.  Wasn't it the guy's other son (Bob's step-brother) who said "The only Bob Weir I know is in the Grateful Dead" lol.  Good line.  Pretty wild to find out that you have a long-lost, famous and filthy rich son.  And I loved the parts about the Acid Tests, of course.  The parts about the groupies was interesting.  And of course the parts where Bobby talks about Jerry were great.  He nearly broke down a few times.  I loved the part where they go into the 710 Ashbury St. house.  I would have loved to have seen 30 minutes of just that house, but I'm surprised the current tenants allowed even that short clip to be shown. 

Also, here's one interesting thing I noticed.  Bob says he first took LSD on August 1st, 1965.  They didn't mention, or apparently notice it, but August 1st is Jerry's birthday. 

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Haha yea man, that was a great story and was pretty funny, his dad had no idea then his son said that and he was like "Oh, sweet!" :lol:  Bob said it well, as the same goes for me; with the love for your adoptive family you still wanna know where you come from.

Also I forgot to mention it a lot in my last post, but the detail about his relationship with Jerry was great.  It was really sad that Jerry was practically worshipped as a god though, I never really understood that personally, I mean Jerry obviously had a huge role in the band, but I don't know how people were putting him alone on some messianic pedestal.  It ended up becoming overwhelming and too much for him to bear without some "help" aka heroin.  That part was sad but enlightening to learn about.

Oh yea, and that part about the acid tests was certainly awesome too!  I agree Coincident, that story about Neal and the lyrics to The Other One was great, I knew that bit about Neal beforehand but had no idea the full story about how he died that same night, gives me chills thinking about his random and strange death while at the same time Bob wrote about him.  Didn't know all that about Neal in the first place... he seemed like quite the character and a very interesting man.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21714853 - 05/23/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome, im gonna check this out, with the right mindstate
gonna be dope :wink:


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: SunnyD] * 1
    #21719893 - 05/25/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

....ive always been a dead fan because I was a fan of Neal cassady, the beat writers, and Mr. Kesey and his acid test concept, the dead has SO many connections to the figures and events that truley inspired me....then I guess I like the music too, I mean some songs will forever be meaningful in my life....but its more of that the dead caught on to a wave of high novelty that they were riding, and I love everything connected to that particular tsunami of novelty that crashed into the west coast through out the 1960s.....

Theres a good deal that they left out of that documentary.....

Still an amazing film, according to Bob I'm not a true fan because the music is secondary to the history for me....though I don't think he was refering to people like me when he made that comment....

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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: SunnyD] * 1
    #21720354 - 05/25/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It was a pretty cool documentary :smile:

i enjoyed it alot


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21720397 - 05/25/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Bob could have gotten the acid directly from Owsley as he was their sound engineer for a while. I know someone who photographed some groups back in the day and he got his stuff directly from Owsley during his period with the Dead. He also got to trip with the group a few times at their place and on the road.

Just finished the documentary. Quite well made. Reminded me of Scorsese's film on George Harrison.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Soul-Shine] * 2
    #21720687 - 05/25/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i'm not a deadhead and i thought it was really good. i watched it last friday.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Soul-Shine] * 1
    #21724003 - 05/26/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Bob could have gotten the acid directly from Owsley as he was their sound engineer for a while. I know someone who photographed some groups back in the day and he got his stuff directly from Owsley during his period with the Dead. He also got to trip with the group a few times at their place and on the road.

Just finished the documentary. Quite well made. Reminded me of Scorsese's film on George Harrison.




Owsley "bear" Stanley produced "white lightening" a Brand of LSD being supplied to kesey, the pranksters, the acid tests and the dead....look at a "steal your face" logo, I see white lightening LSD and the coincentia oppositorum that LSD causes every time I see a "stealy "


The other popular brand of LSD from the time was "orange sunshine" this was a product of Nick sand and Tim scully, who both had connections to owsley....


...like I said, the history is what draws me to the dead, they caught on to.something amazing and rode that novel wave to the end....not just the dead every amazing personality connected to that particular revolution and LSD.....

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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum] * 1
    #21724174 - 05/26/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know what I'm watching on Netflix now. Thanks guys


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Drumdude27] * 2
    #21724210 - 05/26/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You guys i've watched this three times now, its fucking great. I love the underwater scoobadiving scene :heart: Im not even gonna talk about it further, that was one of the most soul struck moments in the whole video.

Bob Weir could really relate to his fans i felt. He ran away from home just like all the hippie kids that followed the dead, and they really were a kind of heady psychedelic "circus". I don't know if this is just my observation but a fraction of deadheads have mental issues, like its a percentage of the followers that felt outcasted in other groups but were able to find love and family within dead tour, and i think Bobby relates to this too as he states in the documentary he is dyslexic and never found formal education to work for him.

On another note, I just got back from visiting the Kesey's property where famous author, Ken Kesey, and the Merry Pranksters lived after the acids tests. The property was once full of hippys and wanderers but that has changed since kesey's death, though people still do trespass to the dismay of the kesey family.

I saw the old further bus in its full archaic beauty, the real one from the electric kool-aid acid tests. I also saw the new one, which is once again being re-painted! A lot of the designs stay though.

The house is still a trip, full of psychedelic art, the whole place is a trip, the history feels very alive.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Everything] * 1
    #21724356 - 05/26/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I watched this last night. It was pretty awesome. I especially like Bob's statement at the very end. It was something like "I realized that we are all one and now I'm trying to do something that is timeless". I thought that was pretty cool and I see where he's coming from.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: searching] * 1
    #21724379 - 05/26/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Is it just me or does the kid holding the flag at 41:16 look like Anthony Kiedis?


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Drumdude27]
    #21724564 - 05/26/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I like how it shed light on how the whole Jerry iconism started. Their music video on MTV touch of grey is what started the whole thing. Before that the popular focus was on Bob. I like Jerry and all but it was good to see the truth finally come out about how socially engineered the dead scene became during the late 80's and 90's.


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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #21727703 - 05/27/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Everything said " I saw the old further bus in its full archaic beauty, the real one from the electric kool-aid acid tests. I also saw the new one, which is once again being re-painted! A lot of the designs stay though"


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The restoration of FURTHUR

(When kesey had first obtained the bus, one of the pranksters wrote in "furthur" in the destination sign, and through out the buses adventures they left the name misspelled)



http://furthurdowntheroad.org/index.php/history/furthur-the-bus-then-now/

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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: passifloracaerulea] * 1
    #21727732 - 05/27/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I like how it shed light on how the whole Jerry iconism started. Their music video on MTV touch of grey is what started the whole thing. Before that the popular focus was on Bob. I like Jerry and all but it was good to see the truth finally come out about how socially engineered the dead scene became during the late 80's and 90's.





What a nightmare, the dead scene in the late 80s and 90s was full of a good deal of people who perhaps didn't deserve to be there and did a good deal to turn that scene into something that it never should have become....and where are all those people now? The real dead heads are still supporting the dead, but wow, look at how many dead heads there are now compared to then, all the people squatting on and ruining the scene in the late 80s and 90s all moved on to other scenes to wreck....

The dead was never meant to be mainstream, and for the breif period when that's what happened it wrecked the core of the scene, these people were violent, materialist, and ignorant of the history and the norms of the culture.....

...I may just be bitter about seeing the things I love become mainstream, but when things are small, and only the true inspirational and free souls are involved, it prevents it from becoming a plastic "cookie-cutter" clique, anybody can wear a tye-dye shirt and smoke pot, it was never suposed to be about conforming to a set image, and in the late 80s and 90s, all the true freaks (I mean that in a positive sense) with free minds were over run by a conformist cookie cutter parade....

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Re: The Other One: The Long, Strange Trip of Bob Weir [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21727737 - 05/27/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

....Sammy Hagar is a dousche bag....the only thing I disliked was having to listen to Sammy hagars stupid shit every so often through out the film....

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