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Psychosis after LSD (Help needed)
    #21706655 - 05/21/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I took acid with a friend of mine two days ago. He had a terrible trip and was convinced everyone in the room was making fun of him. He left in the morning and went to work. I saw him a couple hours ago and he has completely lost touch with reality. He is convinced he's being followed everywhere he goes and kept pointing at random people on the street saying they were following him. He completely melted down at work and got fired.

He has no previous history of mental illnesses that I know of. I know this kind of situation usually gets better with time but I am a bit concerned. Should I wait a few days and see what happens or should I take him to a doc ASAP ?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21706664 - 05/21/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've never experienced this with anyone before but you should maybe take him to a dr. before he hurts himself or someone else.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sham87]
    #21706672 - 05/21/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ive experienced this myself

they are called deusions of reference and your friend needs help


i never would have stopped believing in that kind of shit without medicine and therapy. it lasted around 5 months, although the last 2 werent as bad as it was in the beginning. just my experience though


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sham87]
    #21706673 - 05/21/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah sounds bad if he got fired because of it


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: twelvelookslikeu]
    #21706675 - 05/21/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21706746 - 05/21/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's already preventing him from living a normal life, so I'd say yes, get him some help.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21706760 - 05/21/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Take him to a doctor before het commits some kind of crime.

Be honest about the drugs


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21706763 - 05/21/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if i didnt make it too clear in my first post, he probably needs immediate help if it is anything like what happened to me. and it sounds exactly like it


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21706773 - 05/21/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks everyone, really appreciate the help, I'll take him to a doc as soon as possible then..


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21707029 - 05/21/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good on you for being a solid bud man.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21707249 - 05/21/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've definitely experienced delusions of reference, i would even say i frequently experience them except i don't believe them but more so humor the thought :shrug:

I go through phases of tripping every weekend for a couple months. Took a break from psychedelics, all the delusional thoughts go away. Glad i have enough hold on reality to not believe the shit my brain thinks sometimes.

You should get your friend some valium or klonopin so he can chill out for at least a couple days. I actually think that would temporarily take away these thoughts as it always did for me. Maybe this is just a short term thing, but if it isn't obviously he is going to need to seek professional help from a therapist and/or doctor.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Everything]
    #21707933 - 05/21/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if it lasts more than 24 hours, you should be very concerned.  There is some limited evidence, that early medication can help people suffering from psychotic breaks/delusional thinking avoid more problems in the future (during the first break).

I've seen people be fucked up for a good while and be ok, and I"ve also seen people not be ok.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: teamkiller]
    #21707941 - 05/21/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Any hallucinogen can cause psychosis.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: teamkiller]
    #21707945 - 05/21/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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if it lasts more than 24 hours, you should be very concerned.  There is some limited evidence, that early medication can help people suffering from psychotic breaks/delusional thinking avoid more problems in the future (during the first break).

I've seen people be fucked up for a good while and be ok, and I"ve also seen people not be ok.




agreed.

noone was concerned with me even though i had been awake for over 5 days. if someone had strapped me to a bed on day 3 and forced me to sleep with something, i probably wouldnt have spent 5 months feeling like i was watched and followed


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21707968 - 05/21/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

oh shit, i forgot to say, its VERY IMPORTANT that he sleep.  I'm convinced its the not sleeping after snapping that really gets people rewired bad.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708002 - 05/21/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Any hallucinogen can cause psychosis.



Bullshit.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708009 - 05/21/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Any hallucinogen can cause psychosis.



Bullshit.



Not really it just depends on the person.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708023 - 05/21/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708047 - 05/21/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i think you mean shizophrenia, its like, a pretty established fact psychedelics cause psychosis.

even assuming you mean schizophrenia,since they don't know what causes it, couldn't that argument be applied to anything that we don't know the cause?

You got cancer cause predisposed.  You're poor cause predisposed, die young cause predisposed.

Saying psychedelics can't cause a thing that happens for unknown reasons seems pretty i dunno, cavalier.  Especially considering threads like this.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21708076 - 05/21/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.





im not trying to be some kind of drugwar fearmonger, but that is bullshit

there are plenty of people whos psychedelic use triggered psychosis. it doesnt matter if they were predisposed or not, because it wouldnt have happened without the psychedelics

ive read enough of first hand accounts by shroomerites to know that


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21708080 - 05/21/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.





im not trying to be some kind of drugwar fearmonger, but that is bullshit

there are plenty of people whos psychedelic use triggered psychosis. it doesnt matter if they were predisposed or not, because it wouldnt have happened without the psychedelics

ive read enough of first hand accounts by shroomerites to know that



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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce] * 1
    #21708086 - 05/21/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't think that psychedelics can cause psychosis then you should read the DMT nexus.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708131 - 05/21/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708147 - 05/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you're going to develop psychosis, you're going to develop it anyways.
Psychadelics can't CAUSE psychosis.

But it can be a stressful enough experience, to bring on psychosis that you already have.

Look up the diathesis stress model. That's why Psychadelics "cause" psychosis. Any stressful experience can bring out psychosis, and what's more stressful than a bad trip? Not much.

Many of the people you claim have psychosis that was caused by psychs didn't lose their shit on the first time. Why would it take 5 doses of mushrooms to cause psychosis? It didn't and it does't. It only took one to be extremely stressful.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708148 - 05/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708165 - 05/21/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

youre so vainn, you probably think this song is about you :wink:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708167 - 05/21/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you're going to develop psychosis, you're going to develop it anyways.




that is completely false. i dont think you have a clue what you're talking about

you're right that any very stressful event could cause it. but that doesnt mean it will


i get what you're trying to say but your logic is totally flawed. i'm not trying to scare people but its been basically proven that psychedelics can cause an essentially permanant change in personality if used enough. or one time in some cases


by your logic, using tons of PCP, or meth, or coke cant make you psychotic either. cause that can only happen if you're predisposed though right? no... that just isnt how it works though


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #21708172 - 05/21/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"Among his initial theories, which he explained in ''The Divided Self'' and a later book, ''The Self and Others,'' was that schizophrenia was not, as had long been believed, rooted in some genetic aberration. Nor, he argued, was it the product of some biochemical event. He felt it arose when an individual found himself in a hopeless ''heads-I-win, tails-you-lose'' emotional situation, of a kind that can occur within a family. Finding such a situation intolerable, a boy or girl escapes this unbearable pain through schizophrenia. "

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708178 - 05/21/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708190 - 05/21/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Stubbing your toe repeatedly can change your personality... I don't get what your point is.

You really think that psychs can cause someone with a healthy mind to develop psychosis?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
    #21708195 - 05/21/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

psychosis is just a sane response to an insane world.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708206 - 05/21/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Stubbing your toe repeatedly can change your personality... I don't get what your point is.

You really think that psychs can cause someone with a healthy mind to develop psychosis?





i edited my post a bit late, but ill quote my edit cause it still fits :

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by your logic, using tons of PCP, or meth, or coke cant make you psychotic either. cause that can only happen if you're predisposed right? no... that just isnt how it works though




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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708211 - 05/21/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know the studies say it doesn't happen, but I"ve seen it first hand  twice, so yea i believe it.  Maybe its just super rare I dunno.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708215 - 05/21/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?



Because delusions mean that you have some type of severe mental disorder.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: teamkiller]
    #21708222 - 05/21/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

patterns of self deception.

show your buddy this video, and bamm he will understand.




Finding meaningful patterns in meaningless noise. Only those tripping right now will understand this :lol:






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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708229 - 05/21/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

But even abusing all those drugs to the point where the cause psychosis, I believe the lack of sleep plays into the psychosis heavily as well.

My whole Idea about it not causing psychosis is that a healthy mind, isn't just going to catch psychosis like some kind of cold...

But yeah, you're right about abusing stimulants can cause psychosis but that's different. That's a combination of several factors, not sleeping for weeks at a time, not eating, etc. etc.

Where tripping balls for one day, I wouldn't think, could possibly CAUSE psychosis.. It can make your psychosis worse though, sometimes a psychosis that has such little symptoms, that you don't notice it, will get made worse, but I don't believe that drugs are the 100 percent cause for this.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?



Because delusions mean that you have some type of severe mental disorder.



im sure everyone has a severe mental disorder of some type of im sure im not alone :lol:

i see it as a gift, it can be a curse as well but nothing is ever perfect.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708247 - 05/21/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the positives of heightened pattern recognition of schizophrenia/psychosis is that it makes you far more creative than your average joe, and this IS a fact.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708260 - 05/21/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

high pattern recognition is associated with genius as you will see in that video. John Nash is used as an example.

the line between genius and madness is almost non existent.

you NEED madness for breakthroughs in creativity.


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    #21708271 - 05/21/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708293 - 05/21/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My whole Idea about it not causing psychosis is that a healthy mind, isn't just going to catch psychosis like some kind of cold...






Having a hallucinogen induced psychotic break from reality isn't a healthy mind catching psychosis like some kind of cold.

It's introducing POWERFUL MIND-ALTERING drugs into a very complicated system.

Any one thing can go wrong and cause someone to pop out of reality.  Any type of severe trauma can cause a psychotic episode, even in someone with a healthy mind.  I'd say a super bad trip qualifies as severe psychic trauma.

I've known a couple people who tripped many times and things were fine, and then one day after a trip they just weren't right.  Sounded like what the OP is describing.  If it was only predisposed minds that could become psychotic after a trip, like you claim, it should have happened much earlier, maybe even the first time.


I can't believe this is up for debate.  It's rare, but it happens.  It is known.


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    #21708297 - 05/21/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

why is no-one talking to these people and asking them SPECIFICALLY whats on their minds.

yeah lets just leave it to our imaginations and just speculate all day :rolleyes:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708300 - 05/21/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

have you guy ever noticed psychosis and psychedelics can be compared quite accurately to entropy?



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"When a person goes mad, a profound transposition of his position in relation to all domains of being occurs. His center of experience moves from ego to Self. Mundane time becomes merely anecdotal, only the Eternal matters. The madman is, however, confused. He muddles ego with self, inner with outer, natural and supernatural. Nevertheless, he often can be to us, even through his profound wretchedness and disintegration, the hierophant of the sacred. An exile from the scene of being as we know it, he is an alien, a stranger, signalling to us from the void in which he is foundering. This void may be peopled by presences that we do not even dream of. They used to be called demons and spirits, that were known and named. He has lost his sense of self, his feelings, his place in the world as we know it. He tells us he is dead. But we are distracted from our cozy security by this mad ghost that haunts us with his visions and voices that seem so senseless and of which we feel impelled to rid him, cleanse him, cure him." - R. D. Laing


schizophrenia is a gas state, therefore you are a ghost :tinfoil:


i see dead people.



I think entropy happened to your friend.


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    #21708333 - 05/21/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

we are all gas. just hydroconducted gas.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708344 - 05/21/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yo im like gas that can solidify and expand when necessary.

Proooo. :lol:

teach OP's buddy how to solidify and baamm! curing psychosis with anti-entropy one step at a time :wink:


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    #21708357 - 05/21/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

he's just missing the smoke signals.


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    #21708362 - 05/21/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21708369 - 05/21/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

he needs "Beacon Therapy". step by step. he can consult me.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708378 - 05/21/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OPs friend is delusional and potentially dangerous to himself and others. this isnt something that a "spiritual guide" is going to fix.

don't downplay delusions like its some sort of enlightenment. IT ISNT.


you have no idea what is going through his mind. i contemplated alot of dangerous things while i was delusional. and i attempted suicide.

this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE


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    #21708381 - 05/21/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

but i mean, i think he is talkin' as if OP's friend truly is gone for good.

so for that spiritual guidance would absolutely be need to differentiate between reality and fantasy, as much as psychological guidance, but it's all in one really, spiritual guidance is in part psychological guidance.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708385 - 05/21/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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don't downplay delusions like its some sort of enlightenment. IT ISNT.




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this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE



hey tell that to this guy not me

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    #21708400 - 05/21/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

relationships are seminal to workings of anything in human conception.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708413 - 05/21/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE



hey tell that to this guy not me

:shrug:






dude, how is thinking that everyone in the room is laughing at you a spiritual awakening?

it is an extremely destructive delusion that can drive people to do terrible things.

you are downplaying a serious issue as if OPs friend is "just a little confused". no. he has a serious problem that has lasted at least 4 days

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but i mean, i think he is talkin' as if OP's friend truly is gone for good.

so for that spiritual guidance would absolutely be need to differentiate between reality and fantasy, as much as psychological guidance, but it's all in one really, spiritual guidance is in part psychological guidance.





i don't see how that is the case. he hasnt even been to a doctor or tried medicine yet. and here we have some nutjob who thinks a little shamanism is all OP's friend needs.


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    #21708418 - 05/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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    #21708429 - 05/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread...  :thumbdown:




forgive us few people who actually have been through it, and care enough to post about it.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708433 - 05/21/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dude, you're talking to me like you think i've never gone through psychosis.

well i did big time, but you know what some really messed up synchronicities and delusions actually pointed me in the direction of something meaningful and coherent and logical..

yes there was dangerous delusions INCLUDING a confused suicide attempt(not for a sinister reason, i just thought i was in a dream and that was the only way to wake up) but thats just the dangers of the transition.

im fine now. Although i have a lot of questions that need answering because people in my actual life were validating some of my thoughts and opinions.

We know that synchronicity and coincidence becomes completely UNREALISTIC.

experiencing this stuff first hand will cause almost ANY "strong" rational mind to find connections and get lost in it.

We are faced with 2 possibilities. Either we are hallucinating that everything is connected and synchronized in some way, or everything IS connected in some way and psychosis makes us aware of this.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708439 - 05/21/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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dude, you're talking to me like you think i've never gone through psychosis.

well i did big time, but you know what some really messed up synchronicities and delusions actually pointed me in the direction of something meaningful and coherent and logical..

yes there was dangerous delusions INCLUDING a confused suicide attempt(not for a sinister reason, i just thought i was in a dream and that was the only way to wake up) but thats just the dangers of the transition.

im fine now. Although i have a lot of questions that need answering because people in my actual life were validating some of my thoughts and opinions.

We know that synchronicity and coincidence becomes completely UNREALISTIC.

experiencing this stuff first hand will cause almost ANY "strong" rational mind to find connections.

We are faced with 2 possibilities. Either we are hallucinating that everything is connected in some way, or everything IS connected in some way and psychosis makes us aware of this.






i'm facing one possibility. that you did not read the OP and dont know what this thread this about.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708446 - 05/21/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

whatever dude, keep your head up your ass and only listen to your opinion. doesn't bother me.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
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    #21708466 - 05/21/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If your friend isn't better tomorrow, take him to the ER.  Somewhere with an inpatient mental health ward.  Ive seen someone have a psychotic break after a psych experience and that stuff is truly freightening.  They can really end up in prison or dead due to their crazy thinking.  He might hate you for it but he will be somewhere safe.  Dont listen to this hippie shit.  Good luck.


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    #21708471 - 05/21/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

if he isn't able to be taken care of, then of course. we're having a discussion here, not a rally.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708487 - 05/21/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: All We Perceive]
    #21708493 - 05/21/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yeah like if someone becomes violent then yeah, but if its mild doctors could do more harm than good,

and hippie bullshit is a statement of ignorance.

Its dangerous to think alternative therapy is never necessary and you have to go to a doctor for everything that goes "wrong"

enough people have healed from this experience naturally.

Drugs are not the only method but whatever its easy i guess.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708515 - 05/21/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Have you ever actually had a friend have an authentic psychotic break?  I assure you, "chilling and smoking some weed" is not an effective solution.


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    #21708523 - 05/21/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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dude, you're talking to me like you think i've never gone through psychosis.

well i did big time, but you know what some really messed up synchronicities and delusions actually pointed me in the direction of something meaningful and coherent and logical..

yes there was dangerous delusions INCLUDING a confused suicide attempt(not for a sinister reason, i just thought i was in a dream and that was the only way to wake up) but thats just the dangers of the transition.

im fine now. Although i have a lot of questions that need answering because people in my actual life were validating some of my thoughts and opinions.

We know that synchronicity and coincidence becomes completely UNREALISTIC.

experiencing this stuff first hand will cause almost ANY "strong" rational mind to find connections and get lost in it.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708528 - 05/21/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.



I disagree. Give your most grounded man a strong ass psychedelic, in a strong dose in a chaotic environment and anyone can crack.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708534 - 05/21/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i never said smoke weed, he needs to stabilize himself, which means completely sobriety.

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Quote:

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Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.



I disagree. Give your most grounded man a strong ass psychedelic, in a strong dose in a chaotic environment and anyone can crack.




You also believe an invisible man is going to make you suffer in eternal hellfire for masturbating.:lol:


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    #21708587 - 05/21/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

almost everyone who looks at schizophrenia unfortunately sees meaningless patterns in meaningful noise. :nono:


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    #21708627 - 05/21/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck it, tell ur friend not to fear, those people watching him don't really want to hurt him, and if they do tell him to whoop they ass.

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fear is the mind killer :smile:

nobodies got a handle on fear so they get lost in the extra sense. :frown:


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have you guy ever noticed psychosis and psychedelics can be compared quite accurately to entropy?



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"When a person goes mad, a profound transposition of his position in relation to all domains of being occurs. His center of experience moves from ego to Self. Mundane time becomes merely anecdotal, only the Eternal matters. The madman is, however, confused. He muddles ego with self, inner with outer, natural and supernatural. Nevertheless, he often can be to us, even through his profound wretchedness and disintegration, the hierophant of the sacred. An exile from the scene of being as we know it, he is an alien, a stranger, signalling to us from the void in which he is foundering. This void may be peopled by presences that we do not even dream of. They used to be called demons and spirits, that were known and named. He has lost his sense of self, his feelings, his place in the world as we know it. He tells us he is dead. But we are distracted from our cozy security by this mad ghost that haunts us with his visions and voices that seem so senseless and of which we feel impelled to rid him, cleanse him, cure him." - R. D. Laing


schizophrenia is a gas state, therefore you are a ghost :tinfoil:


i see dead people.







Maybe I'm crazy too but i think you're making a lot of sense metaphorically.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Everything]
    #21708835 - 05/22/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

THANK YOU, jesus everyone else is blind. :cheers:

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708858 - 05/22/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay so laying down your theory solids are people in the current state of reality they react with things but its very obvious and the reactions are physical just as in science.

Liquids are people in a transitional state. This could be the hallucinogenic state, or a psychotic episode.

gases are people that have been excited, either by psychotic episode/enlightenment/madness whatever you want to call this state of "agonism" where all your atoms and whatnot are flailing around madly. The reactions from gases are violent sometimes thought unforeseen initially. Say for example propane gas from your stove leaking into your kitchen and causing an explosion.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Everything]
    #21708872 - 05/22/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i like that :smile:

these comparisons were my insight, psychosis made me realize the existence of unified field theory and im finding physics is metaphorically proportional to even the human condition.

everyone thinks that you see more coincidenses and synchronicities because your pattern recognition goes up due to higher levels of dopamine when you take psychedelics making you connect the dots even to things that have no connection. This would be the chaos and disorder

doing that consistently is called schizophrenia, where you see meaning in everything and tv shows and music and messages of facebook begin to feel like its talking directly to you.

It went this far for me and still is, i never experienced constant unrealistic synchronicities that are almost connected like a chain reaction before my psychosis now it wont stop.

And when i say unrealistic synchronicities i mean to the point where ive used it to find out things i didnt know about people that i couldnt possibly know. And just the direction all the delusions and connections that happened are pointing to is something extremely coherent and ordered.

it seems like im experience a higher level of order in what most perceive as chaos.

DMT made me discover the unified field theory and i began making connections to everything based on a simple flower of life structure that voices in my head explained to me when i was in psychosis. I never have experienced voice before this and i never have after it, it was completely exotic for me.

hear is the first post i made when i went psychotic, later someone informed me what this thread meant and how it wasnt just complete chaos.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17864922/page/13

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"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction." -Einstein

One psychosis quote i wrote

"Intelligence quotient tests are about determining your ability to recognize patterns in problems/or outside data. What if you were able to develop/recognize a single fundamental pattern that could be expressed in anything that exists, a pattern that can be seen in all things and information. Then in theory. The more you search to find this fundamental law in everything and succeed, the faster you will be at applying and recognizing the pattern. Would this be the potential for an exponentially growing infinite IQ?"






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we are pattern seekers, and you are seeking to understand the unified field theory (look this up please!) in your own conceptual, language of thought per say.  Understanding it by truly experiencing it, that being infinity, and infinity being the unified field theory, is what you are trying to do.
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If you want my opinion?  Yes, the unified field theory exists, and we experience it and see it on psychedelics through the infinite fractal of realizing we are the infinite.  We are the unified field theory in it's sum.  When you reach nirvana, you realize the unified field theory, in your own language of concepts and thoughts, that of which you translate into English, or french, to speak to others.  In your art you are trying to translate the language of thought and concept into another language we all speak.  Is it possible?  Yes, through the simplest diagrams, which we each must translate into our own respective language of thought and concepts, which is each respective to our own universes.





My psychosis with DMT made me a poster boy for Nassims Unified Field Theory and the "Thrive Movement"

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The new fractal holographic unified field theory and it's implications for spirituality

Hey guys.

So I'm going to try and give a writeup of how Nassim Harameins quantum gravity solution opens up a new dialogue for explaining the breakthrough experience of a psychedelic drug, as well as spirituality.

Nassim's solution is this. The planck unit in physics is the most fundamental we have for length and mass of the spacetime fabric. It is extremely tiny, but extremely massive. We have learned that temperature and energy moves in these fundamental integer lengths instead of analogue, due to Max Planck and then Einstein.

It's been impossible to extrapolate mass from this vacuum unit because of the enormous mass discrepency. The vacuum catastrophe

Nassim proves that the proton is holographic, a black hole in which the mass can be derived using the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle) solution (the surface area of a black hole can encode the volume information]generalized holographic principle[/url]

This is what it looks like when you treat the proton as a holographic black hole.

The total amount of planck unit masses that fit inside of the proton yields a mass of 10^55 grams. This is dubbed the 'holographic gravitational mass'. This is exactly what we would suspect if the proton is holographic, because this is the mass of all protons in the Universe, essentially 99.9% of the mass of matter.

We could yell coincidence, if it wasn't for the rest of the solutions that follow.

Dividing the surface planck units by the volume planck units yields the protons rest mass, of 10^-24 grams. Wolfram Alpha

This is the holographic principle, and applied here takes us from all protons masses to a single proton mass.

So yes, what this is saying is that the entirety of the Universe's information is omnipresent in each and every proton of each and every atom. Literally, this would imply we are not drops in the ocean, we are literally entire oceans in a drop, but with specific configurations of the entire ocean for each particular drop. This creates a clear mechanism for the illusion of physical reality on top of the universe's mass energy - as we are all simultaneous reader/writer's of this holographic mass, which updates at the planck time.

Each proton has a specific amount of plancks, or 'bits' that are active for that particular proton, recording the information of the environment around it electrodynamically. Each proton 'remembers' its configuration in the Universe due to the fundamental feedback loop of reading/writing the holographic mass - the torus dynamic.

Just to give you an idea of what this solution unifies in physics, before I go to the psychonautical claims:

]It solves quantum gravity (the strong nuclear force would be perfectly satisfied by this solution, e.g. we do not need quantum chromodynamics.)

It solves dark energy and the vacuum energy.

It solves spin.

Now to the good part, the implications psychonautically.

For one, Rupert Sheldrakes' morphic resonance is implicated. This means that there is an unseen, non-local evolution of form (not just biology), in which the patterns in the holographic mass or the patterns of matter in the Universe are recorded, and for new creation of form, it is easier to replicate the forms that work the best. This allows for stuff like Keplars platonic solar system model, the reason we see phi and sacred geometry in our solar system, etc. More info, including entanglement here

Along with this, if our neurons are specifically interacting with the holographic mass, using certain drugs or meditations may alter the read/write sectors that our atoms are usually focused on.

With DMT, I like to look at it as a molecular lense that distorts the torus flow of electrodynamics from a particular neurons holographic storage, to potentially the entire holographic mass. It essentially could de-focus or de-tune your consciousness from a single particular spot to a formless, pre-matter energetic fluctuations.

Along with this, stuff like meditations and chanting are given a whole new meaning in the lens of morphic resonance. If humanity has been imprinting certain feelings along with a visual and or audio brainwave, it may be easier to synchronize with this 'form' because it has been collectively trained in the collective holographic storage of humanity. here

This depiction is in the Kaballah, as well as the geometry of the tree of life actually forming the geometry of the vacuum that allows this PSU packing in the proton. The geometry is also exactly the Egyptian creation mythos.

here is a trailer for a brand new documentary by Malcom Carter. It has been the most funded documentary on indiegogo to date.

I just want to open a dialogue on this again, as it is extremely, extremely interesting to me.

http://reddit.com/r/holofractal for more.

The documentary Black Whole is an amazing place to start

edit: Also - forgot to mention -

the planck interference pattern - the holographic interference pattern of the cosmos - are overlapping planck spheres.

The first iteration of this geometry is the 64 tetrahedron matrix. This, not coincidentally, gives the structure that upholds the flower of life.

Here is a great image that depicts the different geometries that the vacuum is made of -

http://i.imgur.com/btQaGYo.png




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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708907 - 05/22/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Schizophrenics have a first break and it isn't uncommon for the breaks to be induced by psychoactive compounds.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: koods] * 1
    #21709146 - 05/22/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I get delusions if i dont trip :shrug:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21709153 - 05/22/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21709167 - 05/22/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think its about expecting. You can read it though if you want.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Everything]
    #21709172 - 05/22/15 05:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think I make it very apparent that I cannot read, by my posts.

You don't go around telling a paraplegic he can walk if he wants to.  Prick.


I'm sorry lol. I'm in one of those moods. Where I'm too high to be on the Internet.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Everything]
    #21709178 - 05/22/15 05:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sacred geometries? You must still be tripping


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21709183 - 05/22/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dude thats chill, im probably too high to be on the internet tooz :aweohyou:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21709209 - 05/22/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The bad experiences seem to follow those who built their house on the sand. If your cornerstone is set on good foundation, I rarely see an issue.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21709358 - 05/22/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ive experienced this myself

they are called deusions of reference and your friend needs help


i never would have stopped believing in that kind of shit without medicine and therapy. it lasted around 5 months, although the last 2 werent as bad as it was in the beginning. just my experience though



Shit dude what meds were you on?

Whenever I feel spookish and paranoid around the tail of an acid trip I pop a benzo or a beta blocker and usually the paranoid vibe fades away just to be replaced by mere serenity.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: plambe]
    #21709469 - 05/22/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed




Great advice man. Fuck, you must be proud of yourself. :facepalm:

I don't mind how people share different approaches and views on the subject. But fuck, this is about a real concern for a real friend of a real member! Some of you are just being completely insensitive and rude.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21709476 - 05/22/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed




Great advice man. Fuck, you must be proud of yourself. :facepalm:

I don't mind how people share different approaches and views on the subject. But fuck, this is about a real concern for a real friend of a real member! Some of you are just being completely insensitive and rude.



I don't think he/she wants to be insensitive let alone rude. Some people simply cannot appreciate the full blown repercussions of a trip gone bad. I nearly died as a result of one but I understand that not everyone else understands that.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: plambe]
    #21709481 - 05/22/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I don't think it was said to be a dick.

I think he really just thinks psychosis can be cured by smoking pot and "chilling"
Which I'm sure the pot doesn't help but if by chilling he meant meditation that's gotta help.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21709543 - 05/22/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Neither helps.

I can't phantom how anyone would think weed would help. If anything makes you paranoid it is weed.

Meditation is also dangerous in a situation like this because it is hard to do it right. Meditation in times of spiritual crisis can have very adverse effects.

It's about grounding, grounding, grounding. Not things that get you higher.


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    #21709583 - 05/22/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed



Worst advice ever


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    #21709588 - 05/22/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Meditation can be extremely grounding though..?


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    #21709591 - 05/22/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah I don't think it was said to be a dick.




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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: plambe]
    #21709599 - 05/22/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It sounds like some of y'all got released from the mental ward way too early. Cough cough sleepyE.


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    #21709612 - 05/22/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They never released me, I escaped :yesnod:


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    #21709636 - 05/22/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It sounds like some of y'all got released from the mental ward way too early. Cough cough sleepyE.



Sleepy never went to a ward. AFAIK he's never been treated. Or she. Whatever.

It's batshit crazy and you should fear it, or something idk.


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    #21709663 - 05/22/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just think its ridiculous that he's advocating a delusional mindstate that could be potentially harmful to Constantine's friend. I mean shit, the dude already lost his job over it. The thing about crazies is that they have no idea how absolutely ridiculous they sound/look to us "normal" folks (im using that term loosely).

Obviously pattern recognition is a large part of intelligence. But, when you think the radio is playing songs just for you, or that people are plotting against you, or that the license plate numbers on cars are some all knowing matrix code, that's just straight up loony bin stuff and should be treated immediately


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    #21709676 - 05/22/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh for sure. It's a terrible idea but I don't think the poster said it thinking "lol what if I can ruin this dudes whole life with one post"

Maybe I still have too high of a hope for humanity but I'd imagine that he just didn't know any better.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21709693 - 05/22/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well, yeah, that's exactly my point. He probably thinks he's showing him All the secrets to the universe when in reality Constantine's friend is probably in his underwear in a dark alley rambling about universal consciousness to homeless people


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    #21709712 - 05/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed jenk




There I fixed it.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #21709716 - 05/22/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have seen multiple people I know snap to psychosis. Some drug induced, some non drug induced. Its a weird condition, drugs, no drugs....either way Im pretty sure I would rather have cancer (May the Lord forbid)

My best childhood friend snapped around 21, dude never touched a drug aside from an occasional beer and a little tobacco. Hes now 27 and lives at home in suburbia, gaining weight, and just sitting on the PC all day. I would rather be shot and buried alive.


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    #21709723 - 05/22/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ANother friend was a girl who started going psychotic around 14 years old! She got drunk occasionally and tried a little pot with her boyfriend, but I would hardly consider that drug induced. She got real drunk one night and thought the guy who she saw murdered her friend was after her. Probably had something to do with the trauma.


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    #21709733 - 05/22/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Another girl was a roommate. She was 25 years old and had just moved to my location with her husband, they were stoners, but she suddenly started going crazy as soon as they moved. While pot may riddle the question, in reality I think the stress and strangeness from being in a forign part of the country with a very different culture set it off.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21709735 - 05/22/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Meditation can be extremely grounding though..?




Yes it can be. But you can't expect someone to do it right without practice, especially not in a state like OP's friend. Thorough guidance would be needed. People sometimes develop psychotic symptoms on meditation retreats. A common cause of action is to have them seize all meditative practices and get them grounded. Have them work in the garden, eat heavy foods and give them more sleep. Only when they are more stable, they may continue their meditative practices.


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    #21710582 - 05/22/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

whatever guys, im not saying the dude shouldnt be treated, its just when you look at the type of delusions people have it seems to follow the same pathways of thought.

I doubt anything coherent is happening to your friend and mostly just negative stuff is going on and should be treated, but all im saying is schizophrenia seems to show interesting thought patterns in people who are more conscious and knowledgeable i guess you could say.

no need to get all worked up.
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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21710740 - 05/22/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes I wonder if my inner monologue and thoughts in my head is really my thoughts and my voice.

Because I always "hear" my thoughts you know?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21710748 - 05/22/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sometimes I wonder if my inner monologue and thoughts in my head is really my thoughts and my voice.

Because I always "hear" my thoughts you know?





yeah, i think everyone has that. at least i hope so, cause im always talking in my head


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21710762 - 05/22/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Even when I read shit you write, my inner voice "says" it.


But how come, when I read this :


It's not "my inner voice" . Now it's professor farnsworth's voice.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21710833 - 05/22/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed




Great advice man. Fuck, you must be proud of yourself. :facepalm:

I don't mind how people share different approaches and views on the subject. But fuck, this is about a real concern for a real friend of a real member! Some of you are just being completely insensitive and rude.



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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21710873 - 05/22/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

haha pota ur gonna go crazy some day


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21714049 - 05/23/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So my friend is slowly getting better, he had a few good nights sleep and even though he still sounds a bit "far out", the delusions have stopped and he is getting better every day. Thanks for the help Shroomery, means a lot :hug: It wasn't easy to see a good friend completely out of his mind.

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Meditation can be extremely grounding though..?




Yes it can be. But you can't expect someone to do it right without practice, especially not in a state like OP's friend. Thorough guidance would be needed. People sometimes develop psychotic symptoms on meditation retreats. A common cause of action is to have them seize all meditative practices and get them grounded. Have them work in the garden, eat heavy foods and give them more sleep. Only when they are more stable, they may continue their meditative practices.




Completely agree with GoldenEye here. Meditation can be a very useful tool for a grounded mind, but can do terrible things to a sick one. You need a strong mental "foundation" to meditate, ask any psychiatrist (whatever your opinion of them is), they'll tell you meditation is out of the question for any schizophrenic/psychotic patient, at least during an episode.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21714129 - 05/23/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

is your friend articulate at all? can he explain what exactly was going through is mind at the time?

and yeah i guess that meditation advice makes sense, sort of a non grounding thing because people report changes in perception from meditation alone


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21732440 - 05/28/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My friend is doing better now. I can't even begin to explain how grateful I feel. I could not even describe how I felt to see a dear friend go through this. I met up with him a day after his trip, he was completely paranoid and kept pointing at people saying they were following him. Really tough experience for me to see a loved one act like this.

Thank you guys for being here, thank you all for your advice. Thankfully he's doing better, and it's kind of a miracle. Please, if anyone reads this in the future, and if you are in that situation and it doesn't getter after a few nights of sleep (in his case it did), do bring him to a doctor. This is no joke. It was terrifying for me to see a good friend completely wide-eyed, hallucinating about random people following him. He is my best friend and seeing like that completely fucked me up for a few days. I felt so bad I had to sleep for 15/16 hours a day to escape what was happening.

Please : Do take this seriously. Talking to him/her isn't enough. When someone has a psychotic break, talking him/her down isn't enough. It's serious stuff and if medical help if needed, don't hesitate.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21732656 - 05/28/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I suggest he stays away from psychs for awhile, probably weed too but its hard to tell people that.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21732789 - 05/28/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

u should have helped him DURING the trip.....


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: HolliDaze]
    #21732794 - 05/28/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I did try to help him. He was completely incoherent and there was nothing I could do..


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Constantine]
    #21733247 - 05/28/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So my friend is slowly getting better, he had a few good nights sleep and even though he still sounds a bit "far out", the delusions have stopped and he is getting better every day. Thanks for the help Shroomery





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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed




Great advice man. Fuck, you must be proud of yourself. :facepalm:

I don't mind how people share different approaches and views on the subject. But fuck, this is about a real concern for a real friend of a real member! Some of you are just being completely insensitive and rude.




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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21733264 - 05/28/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha what the fuck potamus ur nuts bro


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21733272 - 05/28/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It definitely wasn't you... You said he needed to chill and smoke some weed.. what he needed was a few good nights rest.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21733277 - 05/28/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what the fuck is the difference?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21733287 - 05/28/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

greatadvicemanhrt

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21733294 - 05/28/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What's the difference between smoking weed and getting a good nights sleep?
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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21733343 - 05/28/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:underage:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21733380 - 05/28/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Potamus life is too short to take everything  so personally, that's just disproportionate


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Shroomopotamus] * 1
    #21733735 - 05/28/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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So my friend is slowly getting better, he had a few good nights sleep and even though he still sounds a bit "far out", the delusions have stopped and he is getting better every day. Thanks for the help Shroomery





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he just needs some time to chill and enjoy some weed




Great advice man. Fuck, you must be proud of yourself. :facepalm:

I don't mind how people share different approaches and views on the subject. But fuck, this is about a real concern for a real friend of a real member! Some of you are just being completely insensitive and rude.




fuckin' dipshit, look who was right you prick




Who was right here was Constantine. Who stuck by a longtime friend in need and kept looking out for him.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21733750 - 05/28/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't say anyone is more or less right than anyone else, it seems like the dude recovered on his own.

Regardless, I think it's very silly to get all serious over who's more right in this situation - the end result is the dude seems to be luckily making a full recovery and that's more than worth being grateful for. I think psychosis is an extremely delicate state of mind which varies so much on an individual basis that there isn't really any perfect cure-all answer to overcoming it, especially considering the fact that a lot of people unfortunately never do.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sheekle]
    #21733760 - 05/28/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely. It's just hard for me to ignore potamus because I know both of the guys personally... So my concern (combined with being too far away to actually help out), makes me very impatient with this sort of bullshit.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21733776 - 05/28/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I can def understand that. I don't think Pota was really trying to be a dick at first though

Either way, I'm glad that the guy is recovering

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sheekle]
    #21733797 - 05/28/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How do you know you are alive when you don't know what it is to be dead?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: fapjack]
    #21733806 - 05/28/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How does anyone know anything?

The general consensus seems to be that we're alive. I mean, I could be wrong, but everybody could be wrong about everything so it makes more sense to speak in blanket terms than it does to try and be on a constant search for "the truth" in every conversation. IMO


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sheekle]
    #21733823 - 05/28/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No one shares your consciousness so their opinion about it is not important.  Seems pretty unlikely that you would be alive right now as opposed to some point during the past or present.  Seems even more unlikely you would exist as a human being out of all the other species on this planet.


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    #21733875 - 05/28/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whateveryousayfreak:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21733910 - 05/28/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Definitely. It's just hard for me to ignore potamus because I know both of the guys personally... So my concern (combined with being too far away to actually help out), makes me very impatient with this sort of bullshit.



What bullshit?
I'm the one who knew what was up.
Suck a dick dumb shit.


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    #21733956 - 05/28/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21733998 - 05/28/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21734004 - 05/28/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Potamus, this is the pub, not OTD. Take it down a notch.


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    #21734562 - 05/28/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just trying to help you accept the fact that you aren't alive any more.



I accept the possibility. If I'm not alive anymore, then I'm not going to change anything, because this sure as shit feels alive enough for me.

You should also accept the possibility that your philosophy is the manifestation of prolonged ketamine/LSD psychosis from that time u went crazy a year ago and never came back.

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Sheekle]
    #21735942 - 05/29/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Glad to hear it.  Also I stopped doing drugs over that and don't really think that way any more unless I'm experiencing psychosis which is not very common any more.  Paranoid delusions do come and go, but only right before I'm going to sleep or if I'm too tired.


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