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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708293 - 05/21/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My whole Idea about it not causing psychosis is that a healthy mind, isn't just going to catch psychosis like some kind of cold...






Having a hallucinogen induced psychotic break from reality isn't a healthy mind catching psychosis like some kind of cold.

It's introducing POWERFUL MIND-ALTERING drugs into a very complicated system.

Any one thing can go wrong and cause someone to pop out of reality.  Any type of severe trauma can cause a psychotic episode, even in someone with a healthy mind.  I'd say a super bad trip qualifies as severe psychic trauma.

I've known a couple people who tripped many times and things were fine, and then one day after a trip they just weren't right.  Sounded like what the OP is describing.  If it was only predisposed minds that could become psychotic after a trip, like you claim, it should have happened much earlier, maybe even the first time.


I can't believe this is up for debate.  It's rare, but it happens.  It is known.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: DragonChaser] * 1
    #21708297 - 05/21/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

why is no-one talking to these people and asking them SPECIFICALLY whats on their minds.

yeah lets just leave it to our imaginations and just speculate all day :rolleyes:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708300 - 05/21/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

have you guy ever noticed psychosis and psychedelics can be compared quite accurately to entropy?



:themoreyouknow:

"When a person goes mad, a profound transposition of his position in relation to all domains of being occurs. His center of experience moves from ego to Self. Mundane time becomes merely anecdotal, only the Eternal matters. The madman is, however, confused. He muddles ego with self, inner with outer, natural and supernatural. Nevertheless, he often can be to us, even through his profound wretchedness and disintegration, the hierophant of the sacred. An exile from the scene of being as we know it, he is an alien, a stranger, signalling to us from the void in which he is foundering. This void may be peopled by presences that we do not even dream of. They used to be called demons and spirits, that were known and named. He has lost his sense of self, his feelings, his place in the world as we know it. He tells us he is dead. But we are distracted from our cozy security by this mad ghost that haunts us with his visions and voices that seem so senseless and of which we feel impelled to rid him, cleanse him, cure him." - R. D. Laing


schizophrenia is a gas state, therefore you are a ghost :tinfoil:


i see dead people.



I think entropy happened to your friend.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21708333 - 05/21/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

we are all gas. just hydroconducted gas.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708344 - 05/21/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yo im like gas that can solidify and expand when necessary.

Proooo. :lol:

teach OP's buddy how to solidify and baamm! curing psychosis with anti-entropy one step at a time :wink:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21708357 - 05/21/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

he's just missing the smoke signals.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708362 - 05/21/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21708369 - 05/21/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

he needs "Beacon Therapy". step by step. he can consult me.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708378 - 05/21/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OPs friend is delusional and potentially dangerous to himself and others. this isnt something that a "spiritual guide" is going to fix.

don't downplay delusions like its some sort of enlightenment. IT ISNT.


you have no idea what is going through his mind. i contemplated alot of dangerous things while i was delusional. and i attempted suicide.

this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21708381 - 05/21/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

but i mean, i think he is talkin' as if OP's friend truly is gone for good.

so for that spiritual guidance would absolutely be need to differentiate between reality and fantasy, as much as psychological guidance, but it's all in one really, spiritual guidance is in part psychological guidance.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708385 - 05/21/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Gresh said:



don't downplay delusions like its some sort of enlightenment. IT ISNT.




Quote:

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this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE



hey tell that to this guy not me

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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21708400 - 05/21/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

relationships are seminal to workings of anything in human conception.

and institutionalization is insidious.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21708413 - 05/21/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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this isnt funny or cool, and it should be glorified SleepyE



hey tell that to this guy not me

:shrug:






dude, how is thinking that everyone in the room is laughing at you a spiritual awakening?

it is an extremely destructive delusion that can drive people to do terrible things.

you are downplaying a serious issue as if OPs friend is "just a little confused". no. he has a serious problem that has lasted at least 4 days

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but i mean, i think he is talkin' as if OP's friend truly is gone for good.

so for that spiritual guidance would absolutely be need to differentiate between reality and fantasy, as much as psychological guidance, but it's all in one really, spiritual guidance is in part psychological guidance.





i don't see how that is the case. he hasnt even been to a doctor or tried medicine yet. and here we have some nutjob who thinks a little shamanism is all OP's friend needs.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708418 - 05/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This thread...  :thumbdown:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708429 - 05/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread...  :thumbdown:




forgive us few people who actually have been through it, and care enough to post about it.

just because a thread isnt all fuzzy-feel-good doesnt mean its not worthwhile


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708433 - 05/21/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dude, you're talking to me like you think i've never gone through psychosis.

well i did big time, but you know what some really messed up synchronicities and delusions actually pointed me in the direction of something meaningful and coherent and logical..

yes there was dangerous delusions INCLUDING a confused suicide attempt(not for a sinister reason, i just thought i was in a dream and that was the only way to wake up) but thats just the dangers of the transition.

im fine now. Although i have a lot of questions that need answering because people in my actual life were validating some of my thoughts and opinions.

We know that synchronicity and coincidence becomes completely UNREALISTIC.

experiencing this stuff first hand will cause almost ANY "strong" rational mind to find connections and get lost in it.

We are faced with 2 possibilities. Either we are hallucinating that everything is connected and synchronized in some way, or everything IS connected in some way and psychosis makes us aware of this.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708439 - 05/21/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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dude, you're talking to me like you think i've never gone through psychosis.

well i did big time, but you know what some really messed up synchronicities and delusions actually pointed me in the direction of something meaningful and coherent and logical..

yes there was dangerous delusions INCLUDING a confused suicide attempt(not for a sinister reason, i just thought i was in a dream and that was the only way to wake up) but thats just the dangers of the transition.

im fine now. Although i have a lot of questions that need answering because people in my actual life were validating some of my thoughts and opinions.

We know that synchronicity and coincidence becomes completely UNREALISTIC.

experiencing this stuff first hand will cause almost ANY "strong" rational mind to find connections.

We are faced with 2 possibilities. Either we are hallucinating that everything is connected in some way, or everything IS connected in some way and psychosis makes us aware of this.






i'm facing one possibility. that you did not read the OP and dont know what this thread this about.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708446 - 05/21/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

whatever dude, keep your head up your ass and only listen to your opinion. doesn't bother me.

im done here :peace:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708449 - 05/21/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol yes he should go to the doctor.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 5
    #21708466 - 05/21/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If your friend isn't better tomorrow, take him to the ER.  Somewhere with an inpatient mental health ward.  Ive seen someone have a psychotic break after a psych experience and that stuff is truly freightening.  They can really end up in prison or dead due to their crazy thinking.  He might hate you for it but he will be somewhere safe.  Dont listen to this hippie shit.  Good luck.


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