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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #21708080 - 05/21/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Being pre dispositioned to psychosis does not equal causing psychosis.

No psychedelics have ever nor will ever cause psychosis.





im not trying to be some kind of drugwar fearmonger, but that is bullshit

there are plenty of people whos psychedelic use triggered psychosis. it doesnt matter if they were predisposed or not, because it wouldnt have happened without the psychedelics

ive read enough of first hand accounts by shroomerites to know that



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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce] * 1
    #21708086 - 05/21/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you don't think that psychedelics can cause psychosis then you should read the DMT nexus.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708131 - 05/21/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708147 - 05/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you're going to develop psychosis, you're going to develop it anyways.
Psychadelics can't CAUSE psychosis.

But it can be a stressful enough experience, to bring on psychosis that you already have.

Look up the diathesis stress model. That's why Psychadelics "cause" psychosis. Any stressful experience can bring out psychosis, and what's more stressful than a bad trip? Not much.

Many of the people you claim have psychosis that was caused by psychs didn't lose their shit on the first time. Why would it take 5 doses of mushrooms to cause psychosis? It didn't and it does't. It only took one to be extremely stressful.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708148 - 05/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708165 - 05/21/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

youre so vainn, you probably think this song is about you :wink:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708167 - 05/21/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you're going to develop psychosis, you're going to develop it anyways.




that is completely false. i dont think you have a clue what you're talking about

you're right that any very stressful event could cause it. but that doesnt mean it will


i get what you're trying to say but your logic is totally flawed. i'm not trying to scare people but its been basically proven that psychedelics can cause an essentially permanant change in personality if used enough. or one time in some cases


by your logic, using tons of PCP, or meth, or coke cant make you psychotic either. cause that can only happen if you're predisposed though right? no... that just isnt how it works though


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #21708172 - 05/21/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"Among his initial theories, which he explained in ''The Divided Self'' and a later book, ''The Self and Others,'' was that schizophrenia was not, as had long been believed, rooted in some genetic aberration. Nor, he argued, was it the product of some biochemical event. He felt it arose when an individual found himself in a hopeless ''heads-I-win, tails-you-lose'' emotional situation, of a kind that can occur within a family. Finding such a situation intolerable, a boy or girl escapes this unbearable pain through schizophrenia. "

-R. D. Laing



food for thought :shrug:


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708178 - 05/21/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708190 - 05/21/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Stubbing your toe repeatedly can change your personality... I don't get what your point is.

You really think that psychs can cause someone with a healthy mind to develop psychosis?


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
    #21708195 - 05/21/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

psychosis is just a sane response to an insane world.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708206 - 05/21/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Stubbing your toe repeatedly can change your personality... I don't get what your point is.

You really think that psychs can cause someone with a healthy mind to develop psychosis?





i edited my post a bit late, but ill quote my edit cause it still fits :

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by your logic, using tons of PCP, or meth, or coke cant make you psychotic either. cause that can only happen if you're predisposed right? no... that just isnt how it works though




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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21708211 - 05/21/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know the studies say it doesn't happen, but I"ve seen it first hand  twice, so yea i believe it.  Maybe its just super rare I dunno.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708215 - 05/21/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?



Because delusions mean that you have some type of severe mental disorder.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: teamkiller]
    #21708222 - 05/21/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

patterns of self deception.

show your buddy this video, and bamm he will understand.




Finding meaningful patterns in meaningless noise. Only those tripping right now will understand this :lol:






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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: Adolin]
    #21708229 - 05/21/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

But even abusing all those drugs to the point where the cause psychosis, I believe the lack of sleep plays into the psychosis heavily as well.

My whole Idea about it not causing psychosis is that a healthy mind, isn't just going to catch psychosis like some kind of cold...

But yeah, you're right about abusing stimulants can cause psychosis but that's different. That's a combination of several factors, not sleeping for weeks at a time, not eating, etc. etc.

Where tripping balls for one day, I wouldn't think, could possibly CAUSE psychosis.. It can make your psychosis worse though, sometimes a psychosis that has such little symptoms, that you don't notice it, will get made worse, but I don't believe that drugs are the 100 percent cause for this.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: spixce]
    #21708235 - 05/21/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My delusions of reference is thinking facebook messages are being written specifically about me, or songs on the radio or tv shows are being played for just me, your friends pattern recognition went too high and its making hyper connections to everything. This sickness made me aware of the unified field theory before i even understood it so there definitely is an underline order to the chaos we experience in psychosis. Not to mention synchronities start happening like crazy in unrealistic manners.

This will happen to anyone wity enough psychedelics, but it definitely can be very confusing and terrifying if you are un educated in heighten pattern recognition



Yeah that's not good man.



how so?



Because delusions mean that you have some type of severe mental disorder.



im sure everyone has a severe mental disorder of some type of im sure im not alone :lol:

i see it as a gift, it can be a curse as well but nothing is ever perfect.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708247 - 05/21/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the positives of heightened pattern recognition of schizophrenia/psychosis is that it makes you far more creative than your average joe, and this IS a fact.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE]
    #21708260 - 05/21/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

high pattern recognition is associated with genius as you will see in that video. John Nash is used as an example.

the line between genius and madness is almost non existent.

you NEED madness for breakthroughs in creativity.


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Re: Psychosis after LSD (Help needed) [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #21708271 - 05/21/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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