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Supplements for sleep?
    #21706317 - 05/21/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have been using ghb, vaporized weed, or melatonin every single night for a year or two now. Besides those, what supplements have u found that are safe and help with sleep?

I have had serious sleep issues for a while. Meditation really helped but it's still hard unless I have the above sups on hand. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated

Preferably something that won't have me wake up groggy in the morning. Xanax, valerian, and Valium have all made me tired in the morn

I'm thinking GABA or theanine

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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #21706324 - 05/21/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21706328 - 05/21/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

theanine is alright, GABA itself is worthless

i used to use lemon balm(melissa) all the time and its great for anxiety/sleep. its a bit expensive but its waaay better than theanine or valerian root

http://www.newchapter.com/force-of-the-whole/lemon-balm-force

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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Adolin]
    #21706398 - 05/21/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder how long until someone says....(I'll respond when it shows up, it'll probly be the next post.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21706785 - 05/21/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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theanine is alright, GABA itself is worthless

i used to use lemon balm(melissa) all the time and its great for anxiety/sleep. its a bit expensive but its waaay better than theanine or valerian root

http://www.newchapter.com/force-of-the-whole/lemon-balm-force

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Phenibut






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Phenibut



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I wonder how long until someone says....(I'll respond when it shows up, it'll probly be the next post.



Alcohol? Leaves me with a hangover. xannies leave me groggy. Weed i already use but would rather avoid

Those are really the go-to's so i dont see what else could be suggested

Regarding phenibut, it gives me horrible headaches after I use it. VERY deep sleep tho. I think it is useful in a social context, but not a sleep/medicinal one

Also, I will check out lemon balm. I heard of it, I guess I just assumed it to be some useless hippie bullshit herb. But I will take your word and order a small amount

Are you sure that GABA is useless? it's amazon review shows up as 4 stars. That's typically my marker of a supplement's viability


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21706792 - 05/21/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

GABA doesn't cross the blood brain barrier


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21706861 - 05/21/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dph works for me. Makes me a bit groggy in the am but nothing a bit of caffeine can't fix.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: lets drive around]
    #21706866 - 05/21/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Eww dph makes my heart race


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21706883 - 05/21/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

maybe try getting up earlier?


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Suspector]
    #21706895 - 05/21/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I wake up at 5 naturally.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21706926 - 05/21/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ZMA and kratom. I actually slept without etizolam last night for the first time in a while because of kratom, but ZMA might help a little too. It's an OTC supplement


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21706932 - 05/21/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I read the title of this post too fast and thought it said,"supplements for sheep." Boy was i disappointed." Honestly, i used to sell supplements and melatonin is usually a last resort for me because it seems to be the strongest. Magnesium and chamomile are worth a mention.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21707037 - 05/21/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Look up 4-7-8 breathing, its supposed to work well and quickly, just discovered last night so ive never tried it.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #21707113 - 05/21/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Melatonin works great for me


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21707181 - 05/21/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Magnesium. Kava.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707262 - 05/21/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Magnesium. Kava.





Too much magnesium will give you the shits  all day


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Synthe]
    #21707272 - 05/21/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ZMA and kratom. I actually slept without etizolam last night for the first time in a while because of kratom, but ZMA might help a little too. It's an OTC supplement



DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER, seriously kratom is lile the magical cure all on shroomery, i love the stuff too, just think its funny how any requests for a substance always gets a response of kratom.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21707275 - 05/21/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Magnesium. Kava.





Too much magnesium will give you the shits  all day




Only if you do it orally. Oral magnesium supplements suck.

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Minerals-Magnesium-Oil-oz/dp/B001AD0HL8


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707293 - 05/21/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Directions : Magnesium oil is a transdermal magnesium supplement, designed to deliver magnesium through the skin, bypassing the gastrointestinal tract for convenient, rapid absorption into the cells.brbrYour magnesium oil should be applied topically with a fine mist spray bottle. Simply dispense 13 sprays into a cupped hand, then rub into the skin thoroughly. Repeat to cover arms, legs, and any areas needing special attention.





I'll give it a shot. 13 sprays is a lot tho lol


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21707313 - 05/21/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Only need about 5-8 sprays really. It's not really a lot though. I got a bottle like 2 years ago.. use it every few days.. it's still a quarter full.

The cool thing about transdermal magnesium is, unlike oral doses - you can never get too much. Your body only absorbs as much as it needs and no more. Any excess magnesium will just crystallize on your skin and you rinse it off.

And since it bypasses the gastrointestinal tract completely - no nausea, no shitting yourself.

I get the best, deepest relaxing sleep when I dose magnesium at night.

I highly recommend it though. Magnesium is good for fucking everything
and transdermal is the way to go for sure.. it's ultra pure elemental magnesium and you get none of the negative effects associated with oral doses.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707405 - 05/21/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Only need about 5-8 sprays really. It's not really a lot though. I got a bottle like 2 years ago.. use it every few days.. it's still a quarter full.

The cool thing about transdermal magnesium is, unlike oral doses - you can never get too much. Your body only absorbs as much as it needs and no more. Any excess magnesium will just crystallize on your skin and you rinse it off.

And since it bypasses the gastrointestinal tract completely - no nausea, no shitting yourself.

I get the best, deepest relaxing sleep when I dose magnesium at night.

I highly recommend it though. Magnesium is good for fucking everything
and transdermal is the way to go for sure.. it's ultra pure elemental magnesium and you get none of the negative effects associated with oral doses.





Good shit man, I always like formula 303 for sleep but I'll try this as well

http://www.amazon.com/Formula-Maximum-Strength-Natural-Relaxant/dp/B0016KX9SI


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21707412 - 05/21/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:grin::grin:

Yeah y'all making me want to order some now :smile:


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Hexabranchus]
    #21707430 - 05/21/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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:grin::grin:

Yeah y'all making me want to order some now :smile:



Im in the middle of quitting it right now. I've eaten 15-21 grams a day, purchased at a headshop, before that I've taken it at least once a week for about three years now. I currently have an oz. In a jug of oj, hopefully when i finish this in the next hour im sick enough to not wanna do it again. I know, some people say it's not addicting and shit, but well yeah it kind of is. I feel like i can hardly sleep without  it anymore, and it feels lile a stupid substance to say im addicted to compared to about any other drug.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21707487 - 05/21/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Tybg]
    #21707491 - 05/21/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Etizolam






Ya great idea start taking benzos for a sleep issue.  In a month that sleep problem will be so unmanageable that life will utterly suck


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21707730 - 05/21/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The best thing for sleep in my experience is Agomelantine. It is an novel antidepressant that works mainly by modulating the melatonin receptors. I took 25-50 mgs every night for 2 months in a row and I can say I've never had a period of so good quality sleep before. It just makes you naturally sleepy. No morning grogginess, just wake up feeling well rested. I can't vouch for it's anti depression effects since I'm not depressed, but what I can vouch for is that it has no side effects usually associated with antidepressants. Also I didn't experience any tolerance or dependence. The same dose worked every time. And once I ran out I didn't experience any adverse effects. Actually my sleep quality remained improved for some time before returning to baseline.

I'm trying to get a script for it, tho it's quite easy to find it online as well.

Also l-tryptophan combined with magnesium citrate (or magnesium l-threonate if you are afraid of getting the shits) can be quite effective.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Individual]
    #21707922 - 05/21/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

magnesium chloride is where it's at


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707947 - 05/21/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just a couple benadryl or maybe some benzos.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21707957 - 05/21/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Benzos are rhe worst solution.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21707993 - 05/21/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Benzos are rhe worst solution.



Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21708052 - 05/21/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think part of the addictive issue is how people use it.

I rarely eat more than 2-3 grams so I tend to not build much of a tolerance so I don't have to push my doses up crazy high and eat a whole ounce...

Plus if 2-3 grams stops effecting me much I know I need to take a quick break. I have eaten it for weeks straight though and had no issues stopping.

I think people who get addicted to it need to blame themselves not kratom, I would argue coffee, cannabis, and sugar are all more addicting.

People need to stop using it as a drug :shrug:


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21708077 - 05/21/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think part of the addictive issue is how people use it.

I rarely eat more than 2-3 grams so I tend to not build much of a tolerance so I don't have to push my doses up crazy high and eat a whole ounce...

Plus if 2-3 grams stops effecting me much I know I need to take a quick break. I have eaten it for weeks straight though and had no issues stopping.

I think people who get addicted to it need to blame themselves not kratom, I would argue coffee, cannabis, and sugar are all more addicting.

People need to stop using it as a drug :shrug:



Kratom is an opiate and therefore produces the typical opiate withdrawal symptoms although much milder like comparable to codeine.


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    #21708082 - 05/21/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Benzos are rhe worst solution.



Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.




They work and then you get addicted to benzos and then you can't sleep without them. Then you are addicted to benzos. Worst solution.
Take a benzo one night when you can't sleep coming down from a trip ? sure. Take them just because you can't sleep? Bad idea. Same with sleeping pills. But benzos are far worse.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21708092 - 05/21/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Benzos are rhe worst solution.



Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.




They work and then you get addicted to benzos and then you can't sleep without them. Then you are addicted to benzos. Worst solution.
Take a benzo one night when you can't sleep coming down from a trip ? sure. Take them just because you can't sleep? Bad idea. Same with sleeping pills. But benzos are far worse.



Depending on any drug to sleep is bad.  The things I said are for occasional insomnia not every night.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708106 - 05/21/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Guy said he has serious sleep issues for a while, not a one time thing. Most likely due to nutrient/mineral imbalance.
Taking a benzo is a band aid that will mask the symptom for a short time but will not correct the problem and may make it far worse in the long run.
I'd suggest starting with the magnesium and going from there - studies have shown most people are deficient in magnesium to begin with. And a magnesium deficiency can result in sleeplessness and restlessness.
Magnesium is a necessary mineral that the body requires to survive and function - virtually every vital function on the body relies on it. A deficiency can lead to many different kinds of problems.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708107 - 05/21/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Kratom has opiate alkaloids in it*

It is not any one thing and many of the opiate alkaloids in it differ from traditional opiates.

"One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids."


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21708118 - 05/21/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Kratom has opiate alkaloids in it*

It is not any one thing and many of the opiate alkaloids in it differ from traditional opiates.

"One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids."



yeah but it still effects the opiate receptors and will produce opiate withdrawal.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708127 - 05/21/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I used it for about a year once.. had like 2 days of withdrawal


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21708134 - 05/21/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I used it for about a year once.. had like 2 days of withdrawal



Yeah its not that bad but it is opiate withdrawal.  I do love kratom tho and I think they should make a pill out of the alkaloids and use it for opiate addiction.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708177 - 05/21/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I am not denying it can have withdrawals, but compared to almost anything else they are pretty damn mild if even present.

They already have pretty damn intense Kratom extracts that would probably not be much different that what you are talking about.

They are super taxed though and unregulated since sold "not for human consumption" I would love to see kratom used clinically here.

Too bad pharma companies would never allow it, unless they found a way to monopolize it somehow :shrug:


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708188 - 05/21/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Does anyone else get leg cramps? I sleep pretty well for the most part but sometimes I shoot out if bed to hop and stretch my lower legs and feet.

I am sure diet, exercise, hydration etc. play a role but I am prone to these regardless. I have heard people recommend magnesium for this and am curious if anyone has had luck with it or any other treatment. These crapms definitely inhibit quality sleep.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: musiclover420]
    #21708232 - 05/21/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I am not denying it can have withdrawals, but compared to almost anything else they are pretty damn mild if even present.

They already have pretty damn intense Kratom extracts that would probably not be much different that what you are talking about.

They are super taxed though and unregulated since sold "not for human consumption" I would love to see kratom used clinically here.

Too bad pharma companies would never allow it, unless they found a way to monopolize it somehow :shrug:



Big pharma should get in on that.  Its an opiate that you can't OD on.  That could be a goldmine right there.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
    #21708269 - 05/21/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I bet you could OD on extracts though, since they can be so potent.

A big part of why its hard to "od" on is probably partly due to the fact you have to eat so much powder leaf to do it.

And generally when people do "od" it just makes them sick and they throw up :lol:

But with an extract it might be possible to eat such a large dose at once you would be in danger. Might depend on you opiate tolerance really. Someone without any opiate tolerance could probably die from taking a large kratom extract dose at once, a dose that say a heroin addict might need to even get a buzz/ fix :shrug: I am looking forward to more research being done in the future.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Void_Hawk]
    #21708642 - 05/21/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Does anyone else get leg cramps? I sleep pretty well for the most part but sometimes I shoot out if bed to hop and stretch my lower legs and feet.

I am sure diet, exercise, hydration etc. play a role but I am prone to these regardless. I have heard people recommend magnesium for this and am curious if anyone has had luck with it or any other treatment. These crapms definitely inhibit quality sleep.




Yeah cramps can be due to magnesium deficiency as well. See the magnesium oil I linked earlier, that will likely solve your problem.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21708643 - 05/21/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Benzos are rhe worst solution.



Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.




They work and then you get addicted to benzos and then you can't sleep without them. Then you are addicted to benzos. Worst solution.
Take a benzo one night when you can't sleep coming down from a trip ? sure. Take them just because you can't sleep? Bad idea. Same with sleeping pills. But benzos are far worse.




I agree with this.

Iv been taking dph for the last 6 years to help me fall asleep, it works but its hard to break the regiment. Its actually quite easy to fall asleep imhe if you exhaust your body through exercise and nourish it properly.

Benzos and anything gaba related when used on a daily basis is a BAD BAD idea.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21709713 - 05/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Does anyone else get leg cramps? I sleep pretty well for the most part but sometimes I shoot out if bed to hop and stretch my lower legs and feet.

I am sure diet, exercise, hydration etc. play a role but I am prone to these regardless. I have heard people recommend magnesium for this and am curious if anyone has had luck with it or any other treatment. These crapms definitely inhibit quality sleep.




Yeah cramps can be due to magnesium deficiency as well. See the magnesium oil I linked earlier, that will likely solve your problem.



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Does anyone else get leg cramps? I sleep pretty well for the most part but sometimes I shoot out if bed to hop and stretch my lower legs and feet.

I am sure diet, exercise, hydration etc. play a role but I am prone to these regardless. I have heard people recommend magnesium for this and am curious if anyone has had luck with it or any other treatment. These crapms definitely inhibit quality sleep.




Yeah cramps can be due to magnesium deficiency as well. See the magnesium oil I linked earlier, that will likely solve your problem.



I saw your magnseium suggestion in my other thread. It works wonders. Using it everyday is pointless, but 2-3 days a week seems to make a difference

Magneisum has helped quite a bit. So has meditation. I think the two main things holding me back are caffiene and my lack of excercise. I cannot excercise for a while to my back. I guess the only "natural choices" would be to fix those

And IME magnesium oil (shroomism suggeted earlier) really helps with that. Its great every few days I think daily is unessacary


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21709810 - 05/22/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP, I seriously suggest again considering giving agomelatine a try. I've had quite bad insomnia for the best part of my life and nothing has been as effective for inducing side effect free restful sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine


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    #21709858 - 05/22/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Seems novel to me


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Individual]
    #21710239 - 05/22/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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OP, I seriously suggest again considering giving agomelatine a try. I've had quite bad insomnia for the best part of my life and nothing has been as effective for inducing side effect free restful sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine



I already looked it up on wiki and I assumed it was a prescription chemical and looked no further

That being said, my brief readup on the drug seems to indicate it is quite useful. If it is THAT useful then I will consider getting a prescription

Please let me know if there are any other ways to aqucire it


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21710479 - 05/22/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's readily available online


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21711184 - 05/22/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It's readily available online



I just assumed it wasnt because it isn't available on amazon and hence wasnt avaiable for sale


I just googled it. will buy and try :thumbup:


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #21711202 - 05/22/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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And IME magnesium oil (shroomism suggeted earlier) really helps with that. Its great every few days I think daily is unessacary




Yeah daily is overkill.. 2-3 times a week is more than enough IMO. Sometimes I only use it once every week or two, or whenever I feel like I need it.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21711491 - 05/22/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

St Johns wort is good too forgot about that until I couldn't sleep last night


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
    #21711562 - 05/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The cool thing about transdermal magnesium is, unlike oral doses - you can never get too much. Your body only absorbs as much as it needs and no more. Any excess magnesium will just crystallize on your skin and you rinse it off.




Bullshit.


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: s240779]
    #21711603 - 05/22/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have trouble as well with sleep. I used to tolerate benadryl and then something happened where that shit gave me the worst restless leg syndrome. Basically all over the counter shit is like taking tick tacs for me.

I use valerian root a lot. I have my GABA binges and that shit is a life saver for me.

When I'm not using anything I buy the Dollar Store Zzquil that has doxylamine succinate in it. They used to carry one with just DXM and Doxy but recently all they have is the one with tylenol in it too.. which i hate but it works.. That doesn't make me fucking get the RLS. I also have found random drinks at the 99 cent store for sleep. These one shots were called sleepy shots and had GABA and some other shit in them. They gave me insane dreams. haha...

Believe it or not these Neuro drinks actually work! I bought one because I was hoping it had some GABA in it but saw it didn't still bought it. After drinking it I was legit yawning and ready for sleep but fought it off because I really was just trying to relax...







I'd combo the Doxylamine with one of those sleep drinks and you will be out like a light. The only negative is you get vivid dreams with any GABAergic.


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    #21711621 - 05/22/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the dosages in those drinks are miniscule. the only thing that might be active is melatonin. we dont know how much is in there, but its probably at least 1mg which is sufficient. all we know is the total ammount of their "proprietary blend" is only 55mg. which is too low for for theanine to have an effect, and the effects of the 5-HTP would also be negligable

those drinks are a massive waste of money


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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Adolin]
    #21711643 - 05/22/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My ex use to buy and drink them even though she was in her mid 20's and living with her dad in a cheap ass apartment complex :lol:

She also was super into diet sodas and gum no matter how much stuff I told her about what was in them
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: s240779]
    #21711799 - 05/22/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The cool thing about transdermal magnesium is, unlike oral doses - you can never get too much. Your body only absorbs as much as it needs and no more. Any excess magnesium will just crystallize on your skin and you rinse it off.




Bullshit.




What's bullshit? Explain yourself.
http://www.cnelm.com/NutritionPractitioner/Issues/Issue_11_1/Articles/7%20Transdermal%20Mg%20revised2.pdf

Topical application of magnesium works completely differently than oral. Your body is not going to consume excessive amounts of magnesium through the skin in the way that it does with oral supplementation.
www.ancient-minerals.com/transdermal-magnesium/how-topical/


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