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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
#21707405 - 05/21/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Only need about 5-8 sprays really. It's not really a lot though. I got a bottle like 2 years ago.. use it every few days.. it's still a quarter full.
The cool thing about transdermal magnesium is, unlike oral doses - you can never get too much. Your body only absorbs as much as it needs and no more. Any excess magnesium will just crystallize on your skin and you rinse it off.
And since it bypasses the gastrointestinal tract completely - no nausea, no shitting yourself.
I get the best, deepest relaxing sleep when I dose magnesium at night.
I highly recommend it though. Magnesium is good for fucking everything and transdermal is the way to go for sure.. it's ultra pure elemental magnesium and you get none of the negative effects associated with oral doses.
Good shit man, I always like formula 303 for sleep but I'll try this as well
http://www.amazon.com/Formula-Maximum-Strength-Natural-Relaxant/dp/B0016KX9SI
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Yeah y'all making me want to order some now
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Yeah y'all making me want to order some now 
Im in the middle of quitting it right now. I've eaten 15-21 grams a day, purchased at a headshop, before that I've taken it at least once a week for about three years now. I currently have an oz. In a jug of oj, hopefully when i finish this in the next hour im sick enough to not wanna do it again. I know, some people say it's not addicting and shit, but well yeah it kind of is. I feel like i can hardly sleep without it anymore, and it feels lile a stupid substance to say im addicted to compared to about any other drug.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
#21707487 - 05/21/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Etizolam
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Tybg]
#21707491 - 05/21/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tybg said: Etizolam
Ya great idea start taking benzos for a sleep issue. In a month that sleep problem will be so unmanageable that life will utterly suck
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: topdog82]
#21707730 - 05/21/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The best thing for sleep in my experience is Agomelantine. It is an novel antidepressant that works mainly by modulating the melatonin receptors. I took 25-50 mgs every night for 2 months in a row and I can say I've never had a period of so good quality sleep before. It just makes you naturally sleepy. No morning grogginess, just wake up feeling well rested. I can't vouch for it's anti depression effects since I'm not depressed, but what I can vouch for is that it has no side effects usually associated with antidepressants. Also I didn't experience any tolerance or dependence. The same dose worked every time. And once I ran out I didn't experience any adverse effects. Actually my sleep quality remained improved for some time before returning to baseline.
I'm trying to get a script for it, tho it's quite easy to find it online as well.
Also l-tryptophan combined with magnesium citrate (or magnesium l-threonate if you are afraid of getting the shits) can be quite effective.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Individual]
#21707922 - 05/21/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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magnesium chloride is where it's at
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
#21707947 - 05/21/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a couple benadryl or maybe some benzos.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21707957 - 05/21/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Benzos are rhe worst solution.
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KnyggaPlease said: Benzos are rhe worst solution.
Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.
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I think part of the addictive issue is how people use it.
I rarely eat more than 2-3 grams so I tend to not build much of a tolerance so I don't have to push my doses up crazy high and eat a whole ounce...
Plus if 2-3 grams stops effecting me much I know I need to take a quick break. I have eaten it for weeks straight though and had no issues stopping.
I think people who get addicted to it need to blame themselves not kratom, I would argue coffee, cannabis, and sugar are all more addicting.
People need to stop using it as a drug
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musiclover420 said: I think part of the addictive issue is how people use it.
I rarely eat more than 2-3 grams so I tend to not build much of a tolerance so I don't have to push my doses up crazy high and eat a whole ounce...
Plus if 2-3 grams stops effecting me much I know I need to take a quick break. I have eaten it for weeks straight though and had no issues stopping.
I think people who get addicted to it need to blame themselves not kratom, I would argue coffee, cannabis, and sugar are all more addicting.
People need to stop using it as a drug 
Kratom is an opiate and therefore produces the typical opiate withdrawal symptoms although much milder like comparable to codeine.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21708082 - 05/21/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: Benzos are rhe worst solution.
Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.
They work and then you get addicted to benzos and then you can't sleep without them. Then you are addicted to benzos. Worst solution. Take a benzo one night when you can't sleep coming down from a trip ? sure. Take them just because you can't sleep? Bad idea. Same with sleeping pills. But benzos are far worse.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: Shroomism]
#21708092 - 05/21/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: Benzos are rhe worst solution.
Yeah but they work and I was having trouble sleep after doing MDMA that was probably laced with amphetamine so my friend gave me one of his sleeping pills they're called amitriptyline and it worked great but had a mild hangover effect in the morning.
They work and then you get addicted to benzos and then you can't sleep without them. Then you are addicted to benzos. Worst solution. Take a benzo one night when you can't sleep coming down from a trip ? sure. Take them just because you can't sleep? Bad idea. Same with sleeping pills. But benzos are far worse.
Depending on any drug to sleep is bad. The things I said are for occasional insomnia not every night.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21708106 - 05/21/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Guy said he has serious sleep issues for a while, not a one time thing. Most likely due to nutrient/mineral imbalance. Taking a benzo is a band aid that will mask the symptom for a short time but will not correct the problem and may make it far worse in the long run. I'd suggest starting with the magnesium and going from there - studies have shown most people are deficient in magnesium to begin with. And a magnesium deficiency can result in sleeplessness and restlessness. Magnesium is a necessary mineral that the body requires to survive and function - virtually every vital function on the body relies on it. A deficiency can lead to many different kinds of problems.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21708107 - 05/21/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kratom has opiate alkaloids in it*
It is not any one thing and many of the opiate alkaloids in it differ from traditional opiates.
"One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids."
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musiclover420 said: Kratom has opiate alkaloids in it*
It is not any one thing and many of the opiate alkaloids in it differ from traditional opiates.
"One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids."
yeah but it still effects the opiate receptors and will produce opiate withdrawal.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21708127 - 05/21/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I used it for about a year once.. had like 2 days of withdrawal
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KnyggaPlease said: I used it for about a year once.. had like 2 days of withdrawal
Yeah its not that bad but it is opiate withdrawal. I do love kratom tho and I think they should make a pill out of the alkaloids and use it for opiate addiction.
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Re: Supplements for sleep? [Re: spixce]
#21708177 - 05/21/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am not denying it can have withdrawals, but compared to almost anything else they are pretty damn mild if even present.
They already have pretty damn intense Kratom extracts that would probably not be much different that what you are talking about.
They are super taxed though and unregulated since sold "not for human consumption" I would love to see kratom used clinically here.
Too bad pharma companies would never allow it, unless they found a way to monopolize it somehow
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