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GrimTripper



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Is it too late for casing?
#21706257 - 05/21/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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WBS colonized to Ps. Cub. spawned to coir/cowpoo/verm/gypsum on May 12th
I think there are hyphal knots already (as well as a couple of pins - one of them on last pic) so is it too late for casing layer?


GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Mad Season
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706371 - 05/21/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lots of people prefer to late case and would case it at 1/4 inch right now and throw directly into fruiting. I've done it too and it works great.
Cubensis isn't a mushroom that needs a casing but I personally believe casings are a lot more user friendly and a lot easier to get success.
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706447 - 05/21/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Lots of people prefer to late case and would case it at 1/4 inch right now and throw directly into fruiting [...]
So case and introduce fruiting conditions, without letting mycelium go to be visible on the surface of casing while in colonizing enviroment?
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Mad Season
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706465 - 05/21/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A thin casing and directly to fruiting is best. Colonization of casing is for thick casing layers, that weren't late cased. Your pins will poke through the casing on a late casing before the mycelium. Just saying.
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706468 - 05/21/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, will do, cheers.
BTW what casing recipe are you using?
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706491 - 05/21/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha I highly recommend doing a 50/50+ which is peat, verm, with hydrated lime. Personally though I just go to a garden store and case with pure cactus soil. It has to be peat moss based and has things like spagnam and perlite and shit. Also really contamination resistant for me.
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706517 - 05/21/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've got peat, verm but don't have hydrated lime (which, as I recall is Ca(OH)2 ). Instead I've got limestone flour ( CaCO3 ).
Think that would do?
(according to Stamets he makes his with peat, limestone flour + limestone grit, but dunno if that is not an outdated info.
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706550 - 05/21/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Calcium carbonate will work. Get some soil pH indicators and make sure it's at a pH of 8-8.5. Trich won't be able to germinate on anything under 8.
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706586 - 05/21/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Got something like that:

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Mad Season said: [...] make sure it's at a pH of 8-8.5 [..]
U sure about the range? In 'The Mushroom Cultivator' for Ps. Cub. casing should be 6.8-7.2... but like I said, this could be outdated.
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Mad Season
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706617 - 05/21/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I'm sure of it. I agree neutral pH is best for COLONIZING cubes but a casing is a non nutrient moisture barrier. It's supposed to not get colonized by cube mycelium. It's meant to maintain moisture at the surface as well as induce pinning. If it was made to be colonized, it's also open for contaminants. Cubensis will tolerate anything under 8.5 and none of our competitor molds will germinate on anything over 8.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8745338#8745338
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706628 - 05/21/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, I get it.
Thanks for your help m8. +5mushies rating 4 U.
Will post some pics if successful.
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
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Mad Season
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: GrimTripper]
#21706653 - 05/21/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks man! Definitely show some pics!
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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Mad Season]
#21706840 - 05/21/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmm 10-15mm of hydrated catsan (limestone and quartz sand, cat litter), worked for me, needs a bit of balancing though, I think its about pH 10 hydrated. You can hammer the large chunks, but not 100% necessary, mycelium will eat the calcium. It will surface and pin if your conditions are correct.
Could also try perlite, but its basically void of nutrition. Calcium improves fruit density and possibly potency, mycelium also requires carbon.
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GrimTripper



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Re: Is it too late for casing? [Re: Ferather]
#21747319 - 06/01/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So here are the results.
I got to admit that I was doing better without casing. Any ideas why is that?
GT
-------------------- "Well, like the Good Book says, 'Let he who is without sin throweth the first rock...and I shalt smoketh it!'" Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says "But Doctor... I am Pagliacci."
Edited by GrimTripper (06/01/15 04:00 AM)
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