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Bad Idea?
    #21704165 - 05/20/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My friend says she has a lot of past-trauma that she feels like everyone sees her different than she sees herself.  I told her about aya and I told her it might help.  She keeps getting dumped over and over she was crying today and i felt bad for her.  I thought aya might be good for her because she is always going on and on about some fucked up shit that happened when she was a kid.
My problem is that I was walking with her in the woods and we were very stoned she pointed at nothing and said do you see him.  Their was nothing their she said that sometimes she sees dead people and when she gets angry she blacks out and dosent rember a thing.  She has said things like this more times after that (when sober as well) I don't know if aya would mess her head up or help her. what do you guys think?


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21704201 - 05/20/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Who is to know? My friend sees dead people, though he's an energy worker. Some of the stuff becomes IRL synchronicities for other people in his life.

There's a lot we don't understand. Don't assume her crazy. Don't you see things on these substances? Some of us are able to peer past the collectively perceivable veil of human experience into uncharted domains.

I would obviously tell her to do the research, ask if she has EVER done a psychedelic, would ask if you're sitting her (sober or not) and ask about family mental health issues n all that jazz.

I don't think she's crazy. To her, she did see someone


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #21704483 - 05/20/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

very true she has done MDMA a few times weed and a wide range of pills. I think i will give it to her then (she might actully have special powers i was going to call her today and as soon as i picked up the phone she called me and said im at my place see you soon and hung up. It was so wierd i asked how did you know i was going to call you she just said i dident but i just thought we should chill. Before that i hadent called her in two weeks and she hadent called me) it might help her or inhace her psychic ability to the next leaval :nodofunderstanding:


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21704804 - 05/20/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My girlfriend has similar things to that, including the blackout rage thing, (I always calm her down).

But whenever she smokes weed, she becomes delirious and won't stop crying, or she'll point at nothing and say she sees someone. She even once thought I was a black psychiatrist...

About a week ago me and her had a mushroom trip together. She had quite an amazing time, but was super sensitive towards it. She did have some anxiety attacks (we were at the park and there were quite a lot of people). I'd stay give her aya on the lower dose, but still a trip. Not too overwhelming. Also set and setting is pretty important, try and just have a good trip inside your room, or just house in general.

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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Achillita]
    #21704967 - 05/21/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't recommend it she could have a major underlying psychological/mental illness and you're definitely not a doctor so diagnosing her and treating her with the most powerful drug known to man is a bad idea.  Sounds like she's pretty young and personally I don't think DMT is for the young/inexperienced.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: refried]
    #21705140 - 05/21/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to be giving people that claim to see dead people any sort of psychedelic substance. If she's being serious, she may have schizophrenia or some other serious mental illness that psychedelics will not cure and could potentially make much worse.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: refried]
    #21706479 - 05/21/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ApexNightmare said:
Yeah, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to be giving people that claim to see dead people any sort of psychedelic substance. If she's being serious, she may have schizophrenia or some other serious mental illness that psychedelics will not cure and could potentially make much worse.


true that is why i dident think it was a good idea but figured you guys may know better than me :smile:
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I wouldn't recommend it she could have a major underlying psychological/mental illness and you're definitely not a doctor so diagnosing her and treating her with the most powerful drug known to man is a bad idea.  Sounds like she's pretty young and personally I don't think DMT is for the young/inexperienced.


she is 20 and has never been exposed to anything psychedelic so that is a very good point its just i have heard it can help so i thought i might give it to her but if you guys advise against it then i wont shes just very depressed and im worried about her today she was talking about suicide i dont know what to do


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21706592 - 05/21/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ayahuasca churches don't proselytize.  Tell her your experiences with it but be honest about the bad shit too (puking, shitting, timeless moments in purgatory).  If she's interested help her.  If she's not, don't push it.

Shit's like therapy.  It won't work if the person isn't into it as it can be really painful.  If you push it on her she may spend the night laying on the floor in agony hating your guts instead of learning from the experience.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21706620 - 05/21/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

harmala is supposedly an anti-depressant. I've never spent much time working with it alone myself, but part of a successful Aya experience is making sure your MAO is inhibited.

You could try advising she takes small doses of harmala to see if that has any affect. Then if you eventually want to add the DMT component, you're already half way there and know the dosage.

But there's a lot of risk with taking harmalas as they can be dangerous in combination with prescription anti-depressants, amphetamines, alcohol, or a few other things. You definitely want to do the research first and make sure she understands the risks. Even then, I would be careful giving harmala to her because of her mental state. If she's truly suicidal then MAOI's could be an enticing ammunition to be handing her.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Icon]
    #21707325 - 05/21/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

she takes a lot of pain pills on the daily somehow she is prescribed with them she says her doctor just gives any prescription for a fee of $100 she also takes zanex and sometimes high doses of Ritalin and she drinks almost all the time i dont think taking maios is good for her because of that but she said she would stop to take some aya i told her she has to stop for a least 3 days and i showed her this video to scare her
i explained that her biggest fears would be their and that she will have to confront them she said she was ready and understood that she should face them


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21707700 - 05/21/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OH shit if she's on medication no way dude.

Don't want a death on your hands.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21709332 - 05/22/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP I have a friend who also says she "sees dead people" n I was kinda scared to give her shrooms because of it. I did despite my fear n she still saw the dead ppl but she was in a different mindset and it wasn't scary for her like it usually is. I don't know how aya compares I just wanted to share my exp.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Mike12000]
    #21709482 - 05/22/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen dead people tripping especially when I first started using mxe.  What it turns out is that I was constantly watching horrific videos on the internet and when I stopped after a few months that also stopped.  Occasionally I still see flesh with bones rippling underneath it or other dark stuff, but if I were to have any sort of hallucination dead or anything else while sober I think I would seek medical advice.  Actually, I know I would.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: refried]
    #21709742 - 05/22/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah OP if she's on a bunch a pain meds and anti anxiety pills aya could kill her. Don't fuck with that shit no way no how. Do NOT give her aya.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #21710366 - 05/22/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I talk to dead friends and family. :shrug:

Aya and xanax is fine.  The pain killer might be depending on what it is (just google the med and maoi).

Ritalin and other amphetamines aren't safe but probably not as risky with an maoi-a.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21711131 - 05/22/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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she takes a lot of pain pills on the daily somehow she is prescribed with them she says her doctor just gives any prescription for a fee of $100 she also takes zanex and sometimes high doses of Ritalin and she drinks almost all the time "



No. Just no. Shed need to clean longer than 3 days and even with a reversible maoi all that stuff together plus what you may not know she's taking is a baaaaaaddddd idea.


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Re: Bad Idea? [Re: Rewindicus]
    #21711135 - 05/22/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

very true i think her time will come eventually but not soon


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