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Spankle
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Revisiting psychedelics as a new man
#21703405 - 05/20/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello all,
When I was younger I used to take different drugs in a party setting under a mindset that no longer exists. My experience in psychedelics consists of 4 mushroom trips. I'm a regular cannabis user. My other drug use was not related to anything psychedelic (cocaine, barbiturates etc.)
At the ripe old age of 27 I now wish to revisit psychedelics for awakening, realization, therapeutic, spiritual etc reasons. I'm not sure what exactly it is I'm looking for but I do know the way this life and world is sickens me to my core. If I had the means I just might drop all in my life and retreat to an aboriginal setting and live my days becoming in touch with myself and the true earth.
My question is where to begin? I am very intrigued by Ayahuasca and DMT although i certainly have no means of easily experiencing either. My experience in mushrooms is limited to teenage partying with one very intense trip (two walmart bags full of freshly picked shrooms brewed at once in to a beverage). I feel a trip of that intensity might not accomplish what I'm looking for as I recall my experience being a mix between terrifying, beautiful, and surreal. I was a teenager however so maybe in a meditative mindstate I could get something out of it.
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21703444 - 05/20/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grow mushrooms or extract DMT. Everything you need can be purchased legally at most stores with a few key ingredients online. Either path you choose it will be filled with its own rewards. Once you are successful at one try your hand at the other.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: daytripper05]
#21703476 - 05/20/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just keep in mind that psychedelics are rarely a solution to anything. They simply let you peek beyond the veil. They thereby raise more questions and increase your awareness. Learning to deal with that is your task. Once you see, you can not unsee!
Good luck and travel safely
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21703521 - 05/20/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spankle said: Hello all,
When I was younger I used to take different drugs in a party setting under a mindset that no longer exists. My experience in psychedelics consists of 4 mushroom trips. I'm a regular cannabis user. My other drug use was not related to anything psychedelic (cocaine, barbiturates etc.)
At the ripe old age of 27 I now wish to revisit psychedelics for awakening, realization, therapeutic, spiritual etc reasons. I'm not sure what exactly it is I'm looking for but I do know the way this life and world is sickens me to my core. If I had the means I just might drop all in my life and retreat to an aboriginal setting and live my days becoming in touch with myself and the true earth.
My question is where to begin? I am very intrigued by Ayahuasca and DMT although i certainly have no means of easily experiencing either. My experience in mushrooms is limited to teenage partying with one very intense trip (two walmart bags full of freshly picked shrooms brewed at once in to a beverage). I feel a trip of that intensity might not accomplish what I'm looking for as I recall my experience being a mix between terrifying, beautiful, and surreal. I was a teenager however so maybe in a meditative mindstate I could get something out of it.
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
Mescaline cacti, mushrooms, LSD, salvia and all of this outdoor. (not all at once though)
-------------------- Experimenting with sobriety
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: GoldenEye]
#21703528 - 05/20/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Just keep in mind that psychedelics are rarely a solution to anything. They simply let you peek beyond the veil. They thereby raise more questions and increase your awareness. Learning to deal with that is your task. Once you see, you can not unsee!
Good luck and travel safely 
I agree, you must do the work and make the changes, psychedelics merely show you what is possible.
I no longer use psychedelics for enlightenment, I have moved onto legitimate spirituality. These days I am using psychedelics for physical and psychological healing and to help me rekindle my love for nature and forget all the stupid things society taught me. They are working well for this.
I dont recommend DMT in your case (though I am in no way against it) I just find the experience it produces is too short for any real work to be done. I recommend sacred cactus, mushrooms, marijuana and fly agaric mushrooms. Use the marijuana to help you recall and analyze your trips. Use the rest to help you see and let go of areas of resistance and open up positive pathways in the brain. Use the fly agaric to encounter Christ.
Edited by Deviate (05/20/15 06:49 PM)
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: GoldenEye]
#21703580 - 05/20/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The veil is exactly what needs lifting. I like the way you put that. I have no real 'problem' needing to be solved. It's the experience reports of egodeath and seeing the beauty of this tainted world that intrigues me. I certainly need to continue with my own personal growth, meditation, health etc. I just feel the occasional trip could remind me that what I see day to day is not all there is. Not searching for anything religious mind you. Just a connectedness to the earth and to life that I have lost faith in. .
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Deviate]
#21703601 - 05/20/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you sure about that? The lost faith in life seems to be the real problem you need solved...
Don't count on the psychs to do that for you, that's all I'm saying.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: GoldenEye]
#21703683 - 05/20/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I understand your point. Perhaps faith is too strong a word. In loo of trying to find the right words perhaps you could just expand upon 'peek behind the veil'. My inference of the veil is the politics, commerce, concrete, media etc. These are the things I have a disdain for and wish to get past. I read of that "breakthrough" trip that lets you see the world in a new way. That's what I am after. To be able to look past the bullshit and see the beauty. I certainly would be infinitely more happy in a different locale with a different way of life and like minded individuals but I don't have the means for bringing that to fruition at the moment. Sorry if I am having trouble conveying myself here. For the sake of argument lets say that you understand me completely and feel that my reasons for wanting to revisit psychs are misguided. What am I missing? What should they be used for? Transcendence? Just to trip balls?
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21703834 - 05/20/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, not at all.
If you ask me, psychedelics are teachers that dig up stuff from the depths of your unconciousness. They make deeply engrained habits slightly more conciouss. Sometimes through their ball tripping riddles, sometimes very gradually. Sometimes even in a transcedental sudden epiphany.
Whatever it is, it is always somehow autobiographical. It's always about you, your views on the world, your feelings about life. Your thoughts. Your emotions. Your habits. Your past. Your traumas. And besides from making you more aware of all of that, they do fuck all.
As my mindfulness teacher likes to tell me: "you are aware, but incompetent".
After a period of intense psychedelic use I have been faced with old habits. I know what my problems are. I have yet to learn how to deal with them.
I am not saying that this is how it will work for everyone, but I believe that in general, psychedelics are tools of self discovery that bring on the need of, and the urgency to get healing. They rarely do the healing themselves.
This healing I am speaking of would mean acquiring an integrated personality structure with a defined purpose of life that will allow us to function amidst this bullshit.
I might sound a bit skeptical on the use of these sacrements but I don't intend to be. I think they are wonderful, essential and magical. They are about the healthiest thing anyone can do. But, by themselves they are useless. Some sort of integration is required, and lacking a proper cultural framework for the integration of these experiences, we are on our own in doing so...
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21703861 - 05/20/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Are you sure about that? The lost faith in life seems to be the real problem you need solved...
Don't count on the psychs to do that for you, that's all I'm saying.
Dude, I totally disagree. You sound pretentious, the dude is 27 years old and can make his own choices. It's clear he isn't trying this as some miracle cure for some problem. He's just trying to enrich his life and experience a new realm of consciousness. Psychedelics don't have to fix a damn thing to be effective.
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Spankle said: The veil is exactly what needs lifting. I like the way you put that. I have no real 'problem' needing to be solved. It's the experience reports of egodeath and seeing the beauty of this tainted world that intrigues me. I certainly need to continue with my own personal growth, meditation, health etc. I just feel the occasional trip could remind me that what I see day to day is not all there is. Not searching for anything religious mind you. Just a connectedness to the earth and to life that I have lost faith in. .
Good luck dude. I think psychedelics are wonderful substances when used with respect, which it sounds like you have. I use psychedelics for the very same reason. Recently I have been so hard working on my career as a software engineer, and working in inside all day has made me feel "detached". LSD has been the answer to my problems. I didn't touch any psychedelics for 4-5 years and just got back on the horse this year. Best I have felt in years.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: daytripper05]
#21703945 - 05/20/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like working inside all day still remains to be your problem... 
I don't know, I just feel like we are all self medicating something. Wether it is your detachment or in my case being unable to express feelings of anger and grief that I had locked up inside since forever.
Psychedelics will temporarily provide the less detached mindstate or the healthier expression of feelings. But in the end I just need to learn how to express feelings instead of locking them up inside. Just like you might need to deal with the cause of the detachment?
Just my two cents.
I completely trust that OP is a responsible adult.
I was just sharing my experiences and how I have come to view these substances. Mainly because I have a similar story as OP. I returned to psychs at the same age as him, also after having used them briefly in my teens.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: daytripper05]
#21703972 - 05/20/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said:
After a period of intense psychedelic use I have been faced with old habits. I know what my problems are. I have yet to learn how to deal with them.
I am not saying that this is how it will work for everyone, but I believe that in general, psychedelics are tools of self discovery that bring on the need of, and the urgency to get healing. They rarely do the healing themselves.
This healing I am speaking of would mean acquiring an integrated personality structure with a defined purpose of life that will allow us to function amidst this bullshit.
Respect on these points. I am in the same boat as you in regards to knowing your issues but yet to heal them. Those issues are not my reason for trying any psychs, though.
Goes without saying each individuals experience and use is for different reasons.
I genuinely appreciate your perspective and will carry it with me on my journey.
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Good luck dude. I think psychedelics are wonderful substances when used with respect, which it sounds like you have. I use psychedelics for the very same reason. Recently I have been so hard working on my career as a software engineer, and working in inside all day has made me feel "detached". LSD has been the answer to my problems. I didn't touch any psychedelics for 4-5 years and just got back on the horse this year. Best I have felt in years.
Thank you man. A different level of consciousness is right on the money. I am a big fan of isolation chambers but not the most cost effective experience =p
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: GoldenEye]
#21704051 - 05/20/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think it's always that black and white. I love my career and what I do. I really do but like anything, it gets old and redundant. Yin and yang really. I try to get out and hike, go to the gym, etc. Of course these drugs aren't the only solution, but sometimes a little rewiring of the neurons is required. No different than getting a cup of coffee in the morning to get the body a jolt to start the day other than you can't do psychedelics as often as you can use coffee.
I have very long lasting effects from psychedelics. I've always manages to incorporate many things into my life from what I have discovered tripping. I get what you are saying, and I actually agree with most of it. I just don't think you should question peoples motives over the internet. State your perspective form your pov and life, and let other figure it out how it applies to them. Just my two cents.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: daytripper05]
#21704094 - 05/20/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That makes sense. If there is anyone who dislikes people presenting their own opinion as an absolute truth, it would be me. So, I do try to speak from personal experience as much as I can. Apparently I don't always succeed
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: GoldenEye]
#21704575 - 05/20/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I don't think it's always that black and white. I love my career and what I do. I really do but like anything, it gets old and redundant. Yin and yang really. I try to get out and hike, go to the gym, etc. Of course these drugs aren't the only solution, but sometimes a little rewiring of the neurons is required. No different than getting a cup of coffee in the morning to get the body a jolt to start the day other than you can't do psychedelics as often as you can use coffee.
I have very long lasting effects from psychedelics. I've always manages to incorporate many things into my life from what I have discovered tripping. I get what you are saying, and I actually agree with most of it. I just don't think you should question peoples motives over the internet. State your perspective form your pov and life, and let other figure it out how it applies to them. Just my two cents.
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GoldenEye said: That makes sense. If there is anyone who dislikes people presenting their own opinion as an absolute truth, it would be me. So, I do try to speak from personal experience as much as I can. Apparently I don't always succeed 
A little off topic here but it's my topic so let us have a go at it. An interesting thing has happened here. The three of us (deviate and delban your input has not gone unnoticed) have slightly differing opinions on the use of psychs.Golden, yours seems to be more of the therapeutic nature. A troubled past and/or personality in which you feel psychedelics help you to have an insight to (please, sir, correct me if i'm wrong). Daytripper, yours seems to be more of an escape from the monotony of reality, which, is similar to my intrigue. I would like to end this post with a common internet handshake/hug/understanding. My reasons happen to be right in between the two. The two of you have certainly helped to guide me and shape my thoughts and in a creepy internet way I love and respect both of your view points and weight them both equally. A true pleasure it has been gentlemen. I assure you in the coming months I will address both of you on my endeavors in to my own mind.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21705479 - 05/21/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a journey!
It is always fun to follow posts of new members. I hope I'll stumble across more of your posts in the future if you end up sticking around. There is a lot of bullshit going on here but what keeps me coming back is that there seem to be people from all walks of life here. There is always someone who chimes in something unexpected.
See you around
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21705492 - 05/21/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good luck! Glad we could help.
Eat some LSD when if you get the chance. It's my favorite drug on the planet, above mushrooms and even DMT. LSD brings out the best in me.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Spankle]
#21706366 - 05/21/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ayahuasca is the bomb diggity for me.
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Sabnock]
#21706500 - 05/21/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grow your own shrooms first. Start low with dosages. As an older man, your mind is a lot more complex and therefore more sensitive to the introspection. Start low, meditate in the dark with nature sounds, binaural beats or just silence. I like to use the mindfold to meditate and get really far out there. Supremely spiritual experiences. I would start there IMO. then come back...
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Re: Revisiting psychedelics as a new man [Re: Heisencybin]
#21707092 - 05/21/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Heisencybin said: Grow your own shrooms first. Start low with dosages. As an older man, your mind is a lot more complex and therefore more sensitive to the introspection. Start low, meditate in the dark with nature sounds, binaural beats or just silence. I like to use the mindfold to meditate and get really far out there. Supremely spiritual experiences. I would start there IMO. then come back...
What effect do you get from binaural beat? I tried that on my last trip and it made me feel good, I think (although its hard to tell because any pleasant sound can make you feel really good when you are tripping) but other than that I didnt notice any lasting effects.
I like the nature sounds suggestion though. Lately I have been meditating listening to nature sounds on amanita. I feel kind of guilty using nature sounds rather than actually being in nature, but it is just so conveninent, no mosquitos, no having to worry about getting home, etc.
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