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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21625303 - 05/02/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They sure do!


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #21699374 - 05/19/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Self sterile or self fertile?


Cause this is the only astro that flowered. And I the pod was covered in ants. I don't think they were after the seeds but they were feasting on thw pod.

I harvested the seeds and threw them in with my ariocarpus seedlings. Ita been a good year so far.


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #21702237 - 05/20/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Astrophytum myriostigma cv. onzuka cristata


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21702822 - 05/20/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
Self sterile or self fertile?


Cause this is the only astro that flowered. And I the pod was covered in ants. I don't think they were after the seeds but they were feasting on thw pod.

I harvested the seeds and threw them in with my ariocarpus seedlings. Ita been a good year so far.



Interesting.  I have a myriostigma nudum that has been growing a flower for weeks, it is just opening the slightest bit, like a millimeter and staying there.  Don't know what's up with that.  I wouldn't mind if it self-fertilized.
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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #21702937 - 05/20/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It had 3 buds. One flower opened and fell off. That one opened and stayed stuck and that last one, it looks all shriveled now.


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21711604 - 05/22/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Astrophytum asterias?


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: enoydobmus]
    #21711616 - 05/22/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

probably a hybrid between A.asterias and A.myriostigma


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21711986 - 05/22/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Lemnaminor said:
probably a hybrid between A.asterias and A.myriostigma




My thoughts exactly.

Good score enoydobmus.:super:


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21718734 - 05/24/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah huh that's interesting thank both of you for helping me ID it and thank you ferrel_human! Every time I went to my local nursery I saw it and loved it, finally decided to get it since nobody else wanted to give it a home for weeks haha


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: enoydobmus] * 1
    #21908660 - 07/07/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A bump, with an A. ornatum in flower :smile:



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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21947632 - 07/15/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Astrophytum capricone



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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21948269 - 07/15/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice to see its flowering time there MH.
lovely flowers  :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: olive] * 2
    #21950492 - 07/16/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks :smile:
The astros are ticking along happily at the moment.

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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21950498 - 07/16/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Great pictures, M_H. New camera? :thumbup:


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares] * 1
    #21950515 - 07/16/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes a 450D, well it is new to me anyway :smile: A definite upgrade over my last camera!

I couldn't resist snapping some more pics. Hoverflys are having a great time in these flowers.



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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #21950685 - 07/16/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There's no match for the control (and overall quality) you can get with a SLR - not at that price bracket, anyway...

Great pics. :wink:


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
    #21954676 - 07/17/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Got these to germinate. Seed bag supposed to be superkabuto astrophytum asterias. For some reason not a single flowers with astrophytums. I have more than these small in pics. Last year astro flowered tho..:shrug:

I've read not all plants grow so white?

However, I grafted 3 green small seedligns to pereskiopsis and grow them for a while, then I grafted them to t. pachanoi. One is short tip cutting from fat plant. One is seedling and one stock is elongated trichocereus section. Every graft worked.. They have just started to grow and show signs of life. Grafting seems to eat time, but they are still bigger than others non-grafted.

I sow these to very high Fertilized 100% coco coir only, I did a moist cake below the pot then; Later on I add rocks and sand above the coco coir cake and after every watering and when coco coir shrinks, it goes more sandly and mineral rich slowly. Coco coir cake will shrink long time and goes smaller, it leaves a cake in to container with edges of it full open, rocks and sand mix in to coco coir on their own over the time.

I did this to lophophora as well and they germinated fast and grow fast in high nitrogen grow medium, from seed I mean, seems any seed can be sown to high nurtient rich soil and let seed grow there and keep on fertilizing if want, seems they grow faster as well because it's very fertilized coco coir I used for these superkabuto seeds when I had 'em early spring.. From seed it seems it doesn't matter much how fertilized the growing medium is, it just need to be airy.

So they are not producing "white plants" always from seed or do these seeds have bad parents?
seems one is indeed like superkabuto should be and it's grafted, lots of white spots astros have.

I was easy to graft with superglue and rubber band, I think I fail these, astros I've failed easier, but so far seems they are attached. To my luck, white one I find out was only one and it was randomly taken and grafted. I just took 3 seedlings and grafted, rest I left to container I've sown them.

Same age plants, grafted one is grown few months with pereskiopsis, then grafted to trichocereus pachanoi as young. Fat stock pachanoi is just tip from cutting and it's grafted very top of small vascular ring.

I kept rubber bands 2weeks, maybe more, then removed them but haven't touch the scions just in case. I've just removed some superglue because it get's off easier when scion get's bigger. I use gel-form superglue so it's not runny and easy to use. Superglue should not be between the scion and stock tho. Only function of it is keep scion still at point where it's planted asap the graft cut is done. And rubber bands pressure is easier to use to glued scions. Glue always "grow off" as pieces. I've done grafts without superglue but it's not bad at all to use it to make scion as still as it can be. Running superglue use is harder with grafting.

I have kept these with rubber bands on and glued along other cactus, never treat them in any humidity what so ever. Just let them be glued and under pressure of superglue long time enough. I think I removed last rubberband after 1month of graft. I removed rubber bands different from everyone of these.

I don't know is it easier to graft pereskiopsis grown button full of water with good visible vascular ring. I mean, I've failed before with astrophytum graft to trichs but now all 3 work'd. That's reason I just grated 3 becase I didn't want to loose all. But those failed ones have been usually own oot astros, bit bigger as well. I've failed with older astros all time, IDK why exactly but I managed to get few months old buttons big enough so it was possible to graft to trichocereus. Growth tip cut for scion seems to get best place to graft plump up astrophytum cut off from pereskiopsis.

Anyone have same thing that older own root astros are practically "impossible" or hard to graft, but small ones grown with pereskiopsis just tolerate the grafting easier.

Well I see how they do but they have grown. Not yet so big that difference of size would be so much compared to own root astros from same seed bag labeled as superkabuto.

I just don't know really should superkabuto seeds yield all plants as "white" or only few?

Germination rate was relatively bad with them. I sow 20 seed and had these plants germinated so seeds wasn't so bad but not so good by the number of plants I had from 20 seeds. Only one like I wanted, grafted white astro.



Own root, as old as grafted plants. (first pic flashlight is on to pronounce the green color of plants from pot I sow seeds.)


Profile pics from stock, you may see Superglue have just "grown off" from point of connection. It will get off from callous as callous get old and scion grows. When it peels off, it doesn't damage the scion. In order at pics I have at first slim trichocereus section, a bit etiolated and soft. Seems it's taken to grow. Second one is just san pedro seedling, age of 2-3years. then tip from more older san pedro growth rooted and after it rooted, it was ready for grafting. I choose this because that clone had very thin vascular ring compared to many other clones! I just cut the growth tip off till I find vascular ring "top" inside and grafted astro-balloon on it with vasculars overlap. Then used gel and wait the glue get hard. After Superglue formed secure connection(to prevent moving of scion) I add then rubber bands over scion so rubber bands was easy to use beause there was no worry of scion may move when rubber band pressure are created. My first astro-grafts actually succeed and I need to take 'em from pereskiopsis grafts. Or I have failed otherway but older ones on their own roots seems fail more likely. Ofc they can be bigger balloons above pereskiopsis, but I don't trust pereskiopsis over winter and I need cold hardy stock.

07/17/2015, on new stocks started to grow together. I kept them under pressure few weeks to make sure they attach but pereskiopsis grown ones was easy to cut from proper spot to graft again.


Same plants at different stock dated to 12/18/2014.


Those are approx 8months old of all. Changing pereskiopsis off to trichocereus have probably slow down the growth because scion need to form connection and so on.. bigger they are than own root ones anyways.

Blue myrtles had 50% death rate last winter. Stocks were dead and I need to de-graft the lophophora buttons. So far t. pachanoi/peruvianus have been best stocks against cold and damp. And they don't try to pup so much so easy than bridgesii stocks. Only bridgesii's have tried to pup there from base what I have removed to help connection forming to scion.

IDK but seems those trichs are so far best stocks to use for grafting. As permanent stocks. They don't mind if nights are -1C or less and do well in dry as well. And ofc they can take cold even they are a bit moist. Frosts they tolerate well if they are dehydrated. I noticed, much of those australian trichocereus hybrid seedlings didn't handle too cold spring, when days was +21C or +22C and nights +15C or lower. Spring was very cloudy cold there. I hope my last two blue myrtles does next winter as well. But need to prepare to find them dead after winter so I can save scion still if and when blue myrtle stock dies to cold damp conditions.

Actually degrafting or grafting these to permanent stock like trichs seems to be only solution to be able to grow grafts without need to fear stock dies because of climate I have. Even they are indoors, they are near window and winter is constant frosts even -40C isn't uncommon so my cactus plants are near the window and I've measured temps may go even to -1C or lower near the window. And humidity in air forms crystals indoors to glass where I keep my cobular plants. They really have "deadly frost" coming trough window like that. It feels very cold at winter. I mean place where I grow and dormant cactus plants indoors. Impossible to move cactus out at march when season starts, there's 2 feet of snow at that time and hard night frosts till early May. So much snow it reflects the sun heat and light away and spring time is very cold time compared o autumn. So windowsill is only place to start season at first. It works well as long as they have some drifting cold trough window and room heat will be blocked away with curtain. I have very slim layer and it works enough. At summer I've measured +43C temperature indoors near window covered by curtain. Another side of curtain have only +28C when it's sunny. Spring time is hard because sun shines but if it doesn't then plants barely have +20C days and no heat at all.

Last spring few cactus plants simply died because it was cold and 2weeks cloudy(no direct sun, only snow blizzards outdoors and frosts) and plants just sit in water at <+20C day and +5C to +10C night.. Well that was too long damp period without warming sun shine so it wasn't surprise I had dead plants, but I didn't knew weather turn so much that sun wasn't visible for so long. Australian hybrids rotted few of them as well over that time at spring. Spring before 2015 was very sunny and plants grew very nice and fat. Actually blue myrtle stocks was dead to drought and cold. One stock was just dried and hollow, one was rotten from base roots. There was sunny and I water me plants at march, but then suddenly it was damp what caused death of few specimens and outdoors were shady and -20C nights still so it didn't help to get heat near window.. Lophs and ariocarpus does fine against cold window, as cold as humidity of air form crystals indoors to window. I may have to start watering them later and shorten grow season to 5months, I just need to try avoid etiolation, but seems it may be better here to give 7months dormancy, by water them after march is over. Well I test it soon.. Own root astrophtyms can take very much cold as well like ariocarpus, lophophora's and some others desert climate plants.

Seems I should avoid to use those "tropical climate" cactus plants as permanent stocks because frost may kill them even indoors. :lol:

For more older grafts, to make sure they really are attached properly, grower can take the Super glue off around the scion after growth have started and connection is good and superglue is not so much attached anymore to plants and it just peel off fast. Even I add it so fresh cut directly asap I do graft with clean blade, dried glue "ring" will drop off always and grow off from plant.

I don't remember exact day of sow those astros but they have been sown at winter under lights and grafted as very young to pereskiopsis. Graft to trichs are only 1,5-2month ago grafted. It took a while to have proper size balloon shape above pereskiopsis. I just wanted more permanent stock. Maybe astros respond By flowering easier as grafted.. They can't make buds last over winter and turn to flower at spring like they should do. At autumn buds drop off. With luck they may flower at any time of early grow season.

These were above 100% coco coir cake in moist and germinated. I let them grow 2-3weeks and add layer of rocks and sand near them. I've keep on continue add mroe rocks and some of them fall between the coir cake and edge of pot because coir goes very small underground as cake and when I water some smaller stuff always find it's way underground.

I just tested peyote and astrophytum to 100% coco coir with strong ferts, tehy did well and later it was easy to add mineral layer there around small seedlings, keep adding the layer of sand and rocks when plants grow. One or max two times per season I add some fine rocks and sand there above, then I've just push rocks inside the coir cake(not near plants) and coir will slowly have rocks in there as well for cactus plants.

It was easy because seedlings was so easy to see, I let the coir get dry inside humid dome and then removed the dome as well and tehy acclimatized to dry only at age of few weeks. So I didn't need to acclimatize them so much at all. Just removed it from humid dome when coir cake was dry and plant was small green balls around. Before new watering, I add a layer of rocks above coco to hold on the plants and slowly I have add a bit minerals from above. First time I tested this because commercial big scale cactus plants are almost always in pure coco coir. I mean those random cactus plants in small nurseries. It seems to be good material to use, but I think it would be better to make it a bit sandy before doing the coco coir cake. to give more mineral rich soil to plants...

Was fun to find out grafts have worked. I haven't managed to grafts astrophytums so easy than lophs. Before. I figured out it may be help to grow them with pereskiopsis and graft the plump up balloon to trichocereus. I excpected eve one graft fail but so far they haven't fail, instead they have plump up. But I know grafts may fail even year later after graft. I don't know why it have happened, but somemtimes it occur. They die same way than failed graft but may grow months before death.:shrug:

Few days old astrophytums in 100% coco coir. at 12/18/2014, kept few weeks under dome and I let the coir dry and just soak it again and started dry-moist period very early to avoid later acclimatize these at all.

Because coco coir doesn't mold when moist and wet. It was easy to use and I just let it dry and didn't keep it moist as long as moistue was there, as coir dried I just let them be few days in dry, removed the dome and watered full soak again the coir and keep on care them like any cactus.. These did well. Grafts and own root plants. I think fertilized coco coir helps those own root ones to grow fast. Lots of fertilizers can be used simply by starting the seed in rich growing medium. In case grower want to use strong fertilizers to cause growth speed with them. But they actually adjust already to rich growing medium when they germinate so they have already good tolerance against fertilizer toxicity. Same coir ruined many plants, except trichs just loved already fertile strong coco coir. Lophs didn't like it at all to have suddenly high dose of ferts.

12/18/2014


07/17/2015


From seed, lophs grow as well in very rich soil without problems and they as well can be started to grow with high amount of fertilizers, if they have germinated in rich soil or coco. When transplanting, I would avoid any fertilizers in growing medium. Fertilizer toxicity seems to weaken plant enough that they will going to have mites as well, some of those just burn to death, some doesn't take shock from ferts and some shock less, but one common thing for all suddenly transplanted to fertile soil have been that all plants have started to get RSM infection. And they leave near by healthy plants alone. I tested to increase fertilizers instantly with few year old ones and seedlings and same problems, seedlings just may die easier to toxicity of fertilizers. Older ones scarred, got mites and now grow new fine skin.

I think rich fertilizing makes cactus so firm and big it's good target for mites, I don't see any reason than sudden fertilizer increase cause mites to find plant. They don't care plants near by them, but they will notice good plants after I start attack against them in to weak plants. So they seems to me, they migrate faster if I attack against them where they are and if I have near by healthy plants..

I've managed to stop them with pyrethrins in water spray at spring when I find they starts to find new plant if I use pesticides to most scarred plants with RSM colony. I'll see at spring do I have managed to reduce them. I've started to use pyrethrins dissolved to water and I see results next spring does it work. I have one loph always got mites at spring.. Rest doesn't get them if I don't cause damage to them.

Grafts doesn't have mites ever, or if so, they don't eat grafted buttons because scarring stops and it's gone if I graft a button... Don't know why, but it's problem of plants on own roots, they tend to have mites easier even withut damage of plant to trigger mite attack.

They are so son of a bitches, I hope spiders clean 'em off. They went really crazy when I moved plants out. There must be food for them in the skin of cactus because I've seen lots of the runnig around the plants and making web around the cactus containers. Other bugs should not be there because I have toxic kill everything than RSM. But I use it very rarely, epecially now when I keep plants out so it doesn't kill predators. Seems my plants are safe for spiders and bees because there isn't any dead ones. It's nasty poison but I can one-shot kill for example; whole colony of mealy bugs or other bugs. I use it only in closed space to prevent it doesn't spread to nature. And I don't move plant to greenhouse if it's been have that poison I have beacause I don't see reason to kill predators with that toxic. It makes pollen of flower as well toxic to bugs so it's potent pesticide. I don't like to use it but sometimes I've got free plants from nurseries because they have mealies. I just need to soak the plant in pesticide and mealies are gone. New born mealies will gonna die when they eat roots/plant.

I have not seen mealies or any pests for years. Only RSM scarring but they are immune to that pesticide so it's useless to even add to water if there are no other pests. And I really don't want to kill spiders with that stuff so need to play safe with it against pests. Indoors it can be used because native spiders usually spent dormancy over winter, they don't much hunt even indoors at winter, or move much. Even they like to be indoors, but they don't attack plants with pests during dormancy because they spent dormant season as well. I hope local spiders eat spider mites. That will be seen later.:yesnod:

I can follow own root and gafted growth speed now via succeed to graft astros as well, seems younger ones is easier to success than old astros, also I can see are there much difference when stock plant is more bigger by diameter and how stock effects to possible flowering.

What species usually people use to graft astro's? Could there be as cold tolerant species other then trichocereus as good graft stock for astros. I can't use all stocks possible, especially I can't use cactus from climate remind more rainforest than desert.

How hard degrafting astrophytum asterias is btw? anyone know about it? I've read it's easy and it's hard but I don't know what's the easy way and how it should be done. I have no experience to root astrophytum buttons at all. There are my first ones from seed and succeed grafts.

I've just think about could there be other good stock plants around and what their species name is? ..or should I just stay on trichs because they have never failed as stock compared to few other species I've tried. Anyone experienced of grafted astros and maybe possible de-grafting the big button away back to ground to make it's own roots. Is it really as hard as people say, should I keep them as permanent grafts to trichs? I really don't have no idea is it even reasonable to remove astro scion and de-graft is back to own roots.. :rolleyes:

I think I try this with ariocarpus as well, just need to get seeds and then move to permanent columnar off from pereskiopsis before winter. I've never succeed with ariocarpus grafting as well, only heard best time to graft them is when they are very young to success..

I think only proper option to me for stock is trichocereus plants I have. Atleast they endure best cold and droughts than any other stock I've tried. I've think alot should I remove astros from stocks off when they are big balloons or not? What you guys think about it? ..or do I leave them on those stocks and keep them as permanent stocks. If they don't die later. I don't kny why randomly scions die without simple reason, after they have got growth burst Ive seen few graft scions just rot and stock is ok. I may test one later by cut it off when it's been grown some time and try to root the astro-button. But I'm not sure how likely they throw roots via degrafting..
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And me location will reduce the list of possible stock plants, trichs are so far best and Hardy but I haven't test ALL species possible..:sad: (I should tho)


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21955117 - 07/17/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got some Astrophytum caput-medusae seedlings coming up. I'll take some photos in a day or 2, and come back Need to go to store and get batteries.. So far, I got about 8/20, to germinate. I have been eager to start this variety for a while. (gets all excited).


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    #22061735 - 08/08/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Astrophytum graft; Unknown specie.


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    #22062361 - 08/08/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Astrophytum graft; Unknown specie.





Astrophytum myriostygma cv. onzuka maybe. :super:


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