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Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020
#21702730 - 05/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/us/los-angeles-expected-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-15-an-hour.html?_r=0
"The nation's second-largest city voted Tuesday to increase its minimum wage from $9 per hour to $15 an hour by 2020, in which is perhaps the most significant victory so far for labor groups and their allies who are engaged in a national push to raise the minimum wage... almost 50 percent of the city's workforce earns less than $15 an hour"
It will be interesting how this massive hike works out for everyone, time will tell.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21702762 - 05/20/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, it would now be a good thing foe the city if there was a massive earthquake si it could be submerged under water
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21702780 - 05/20/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21702787 - 05/20/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is 
It's better than $9.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21702790 - 05/20/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is 
Thus the needed increase.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism] 1
#21702799 - 05/20/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is 
Then don't live in LA.
I feel like this is going to screw a lot more people than it helps.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Patlal]
#21702804 - 05/20/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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then by 2020 it will need to be like $20
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How?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: grower182] 2
#21702810 - 05/20/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The best thing to make LA more livable would be if people started moving out of LA.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: D.M.T]
#21702825 - 05/20/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not bad. I had to work construction two or three years to make that much when I started working. I bet a dollar doesn't go far in a huge city.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21702870 - 05/20/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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omg here we go. i bet 80% of businesses will shut down and cheeseburgers will cost $20. And i'm going to rant about how I only make slightly more than that therefore other people should not be allowed a standard of living close to mine because they are stupid and im better than them. /s
glad we got that out of the way.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Nova]
#21702882 - 05/20/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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good now they can raise rent
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Nova]
#21702915 - 05/20/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nova said: omg here we go. i bet 80% of businesses will shut down and cheeseburgers will cost $20. And i'm going to rant about how I only make slightly more than that therefore other people should not be allowed a standard of living close to mine because they are stupid and im better than them. /s
glad we got that out of the way.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Nova]
#21702939 - 05/20/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nova said: omg here we go. i bet 80% of businesses will shut down and cheeseburgers will cost $20. And i'm going to rant about how I only make slightly more than that therefore other people should not be allowed a standard of living close to mine because they are stupid and im better than them. /s
glad we got that out of the way.
I don't understand where people get this idea from. Raising the minimum wage helps the economy not hurts it.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/02/australias-minimum-wage/
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21703985 - 05/20/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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all that picture is saying is that the big mac is 25cents cheaper there
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21704003 - 05/20/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
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Nova said: omg here we go. i bet 80% of businesses will shut down and cheeseburgers will cost $20. And i'm going to rant about how I only make slightly more than that therefore other people should not be allowed a standard of living close to mine because they are stupid and im better than them. /s
glad we got that out of the way.
I don't understand where people get this idea from. Raising the minimum wage helps the economy not hurts it.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/02/australias-minimum-wage/
Yeah look at In-N-Out. They make far less than McDonald's, start their minimum employees out at $10.50 an hour, give managers 6-figure salaries, and their burgers have always stayed the same price at around $1.50 or $2. Far cheaper than McDonald's, which is a giant corporation.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21704021 - 05/20/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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im curious as to how many people that are making 15 an hour will get a raise or not.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21704047 - 05/20/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The wave of the future...

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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: rackem]
#21704055 - 05/20/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rackem said: im curious as to how many people that are making 15 an hour will get a raise or not.
Why would they, they still make the minimum wage requirements.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: 4runner]
#21704085 - 05/20/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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in some cases the lot porters are going to make as much as the technicians
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: rackem]
#21704106 - 05/20/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's really up to the business. Here in Oregon the minimum wage goes up every year, but the wage you are working at above that does not.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21704114 - 05/20/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are they waiting 5 years?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Suspector]
#21704334 - 05/20/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Suspector said: Why are they waiting 5 years?
we're going to double dip into recession soon so i'm pretty sure by then inflation will take care of it
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704340 - 05/20/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Minimum wage in the US is sickening. 15 year olds earn more per hour here.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: nuds]
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I always wanted to move to Melbourne. How are the pot laws over there? If you get caught with say an 8th? I heard they take that shit seriously
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Suspector]
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living in austrailia must be nuts everyone lives on the coast cuz the continent is a fucking wasteland!
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704367 - 05/20/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I would choose the Coast. I am debating on moving somewhere, I want to visit Australia, maybe not visit it. I am debating on moving to Washington or California
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Suspector]
#21704390 - 05/20/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i know someone who lives in memphis and an apartment is like 500bucks! but you gotta get a college degree or something eventually to get the bitches
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704404 - 05/20/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Memphis? the only Memphis I know of is Memphis, Tennessee
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704411 - 05/20/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pot is still very much a serious thing here. Im guessing it's pretty similar to the states though, where you can get your nice cops and your arsehole cops... Getting busted with anything over a quart is pretty serious business though... not to mention the quality of bud is much lower.
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 you're not wrong, inland is pretty desolate. Although it makes for some beautiful landscapes.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704424 - 05/20/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: living in austrailia must be nuts everyone lives on the coast cuz the continent is a fucking wasteland!
The US is almost like that too Between the coast and the mountains is generally the only habitable zones
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: twighead]
#21704870 - 05/21/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21704922 - 05/21/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course people may argue that raising the minimum wage hurts the economy becasue we've never done it before, and so we don't really know what happens when you create an artificial floor for wages. Oh wait, sorry, apparently it's been done a lot of times without any long term ill effects.
My county is raising the minimum wage in steps over the next two years from 9.50 to 11.50.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: koods]
#21704966 - 05/21/15 12:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's easy to say but when you just start a business it's not like it's guaranteed you're going to become a millionaire franchise owner
somebody who owns a business isn't going to share with someone who just walked into the door and doubley so if they haven't ran the business itself in generations...
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Konyap]
#21705066 - 05/21/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21705074 - 05/21/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
So true. Have you ever seen those videos of Walmart or Taco Bell employees pissing all over the food, or deliberately breaking boxes and shit?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21705464 - 05/21/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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they give people burnt bacon
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21705609 - 05/21/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
People get comfortable and act entitled really fast too though. At my first high paying construction job I would hear guys who make 30 bucks an hour saying "I don't get paid enough for this" constantly. I initially was like wow, how can they say that? That's good pay. I fell into the same thinking pretty quick. A pay increase doesn't necessarily make for happier employees.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21705634 - 05/21/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
So true. Have you ever seen those videos of Walmart or Taco Bell employees pissing all over the food, or deliberately breaking boxes and shit?
I'm going to say whatever you're talking about probably has more to do with their maturity level than their wages. Just a hunch.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21705644 - 05/21/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
hahahaha... no
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
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Using the Big Mac Index isn't a super good comparison of PPP for australia to US...it says so right in the article. The cost of living is much higher in australia so it makes sense that the minimum wage is higher, doesn't mean a big mac specifically should be more/less expensive
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Oldgregg]
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I've been to Australia and can confirm Maccas may very well be the only thing as cheap as anything in the US.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: D.M.T]
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As a teenager I worked minimum wage in a small restaurant. On average it took 3 employees working and average of 10 hour days at about $8/hour.
Now if we make that $15 ($7) difference
$7 x 3 employees x 10 hours = $210 a day.
Do that for a year $210 x 360 = $75,600 a year.
I know the owner was making a profit but there is no way in hell that he was making $75,000 a year. If the business isn't profitable why would he stay open? So he closes up and 6-10 jobs are lost. Maybe McDonald's can handle a minimum wage increase like this but local/small business owners will struggle.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Matt87]
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People get comfortable and act entitled really fast too though. At my first high paying construction job I would hear guys who make 30 bucks an hour saying "I don't get paid enough for this" constantly. I initially was like wow, how can they say that? That's good pay. I fell into the same thinking pretty quick. A pay increase doesn't necessarily make for happier employees.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
So true. Have you ever seen those videos of Walmart or Taco Bell employees pissing all over the food, or deliberately breaking boxes and shit?
when I worked in concrete the starting pay at the company 17 years ago was $14/hr, well over the standard for atlanta construction and the minimum wage for the US. it still didnt make them "happy" because the fuckups were still colossal with repairs sometimes costing the company in the tens of millions
when I worked at a metal fab shop the starting wage was $9/hr, $4 more than the federal minimum wage and pretty reasonable for the area, raises came quite regularly and they were not small, my pay rate more than doubled in the course of the first year I was there and for some reason the highest paid shop hand was unhappy with being a 25year old shop superintendent that made $26/hr, 5x the going rate for the area for a man with his education, he worked harder at sabotaging production than he did on getting the shit out the door and all he did every day was try to screw the company on payroll and bitch about the office monkeys while planning to unionize and strike, among those well paid employees a number of them were 'unhappy'
the place I'm currently at caps production workers at $17/hr, around 1/3 of those workers have 10+ years in with the company, a number of them with 15+ years are in better positions where they earn as high as $90k and a few have been there more than 40 years, there's even a few dozen with fewer than 5 years that are into the higher paying paying positions and all of them started in production but the one thing that is a constant, it doesnt matter how much they make, there are a lot that still bitch and quality is still a major issue
now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a $16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an 'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead of $18
Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand
so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages
who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
maybe shroomism's little picture is pretty misleading
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21706003 - 05/21/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Yeah look at In-N-Out. They make far less than McDonald's, start their minimum employees out at $10.50 an hour, give managers 6-figure salaries, and their burgers have always stayed the same price at around $1.50 or $2. Far cheaper than McDonald's, which is a giant corporation.
*gasp* Kill the dirty commies! Kill them all and burn down the resturants!
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Le_Canard]
#21706019 - 05/21/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#21706021 - 05/21/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wait, so the cost of living in a highly liberal city is so high that they have to raise the minimum wage to make everyone happy? You don't say...
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: abltsandwich]
#21706074 - 05/21/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sure, pay people "market" value like in the good old days. And what is market value? Usually as little as possible. And in an unregulated free market that invariably means starvation wages. I'm sure you've heard of the horrendous conditions workers in factories in such places as Bangledesh or China have to endure. Guess what kids, once we had exactly that sort of thing right here in the good old USA. T'is true.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Le_Canard]
#21706467 - 05/21/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think overall minimum wage doesn't work exactly as expected. Business owners just realize people have more money so they raise their prices a few nickles here and there. Then your back where you started. Small businesses also suffer because their profit margin is so low, they have to hire their family members under the table to avoid min wage. If these businesses close, it all goes to big box stores like walmart, starbucks etc.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21706596 - 05/21/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you absolutely sure it was the raise in minimum wage responsible? After all,cable companies are always jacking up the price, and energy prices are always going up due to other reasons. We had a recent rate hike here too and there's been no rise in the minimum wage here. Correlation does not always equal causation.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21707266 - 05/21/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a $16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an 'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead of $18
Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand
so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages
who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
Food and consumer goods is not necessarily high because of standard of living, it's because of the GST. Also, many countries such as Sweden impose a heavy tax on alcohol, so maybe the same is true for NZ? IDK the exact alcohol tax NZ has. It's basically similar to the heavy tax that the USA has on cigarettes.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21707284 - 05/21/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a $16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an 'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead of $18
Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand
so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages
who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
The infographic already calculated for the exchange rate. $16/hr is the equivalent in US dollars.
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
hahahaha... no
Perhaps I should reword that.
People who work full time 40+ hour weeks at a job, should be able to afford to live. If you work full time, and still struggle to make ends meet, you won't be very happy with your job. People who work full time and make enough money to survive... GENERALLY will be happier workers.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21707517 - 05/21/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It helps to seek out higher paying jobs when you think yours doesn't pay enough.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism] 2
#21707523 - 05/21/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well Obamacare has given employers an extreme incentive to keep people at 29 hours a week or stay under 50 employees and a living wage varies greatly depending on how many fucking children you have and where you live. If all you can earn is minimum wage the box you should be checking when asked how many children you have should be
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
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I agree, but who said anything about children?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21707572 - 05/21/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Children are the single biggest determinant of what is a living wage. The little shits cost money and don't do any work, the parasitic fucks.
If I have no children and live in the middle of Arkansas I can get by on spit. If I live in NY and have 3 kids a living wage is 5 billion dollars an hour. I am only exagerating slightly for dramatic effect. No person who is only capable of earning minimum wage has any business having a child.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707648 - 05/21/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
Oh, and $1200 is actually already the price for a 1-bedroom apartment in LA County. In fact, $1200 is the cheapest apartment you will ever find in LA County. $1100 was the cheapest 1-bedroom apartment I've ever found in all of LA County that wasn't in an area where I was going to get shot or stabbed or mugged. And it still wasn't that nice of a place either. What is happening now is that immigrants are taking up all the minimum wage jobs.
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Well Obamacare has given employers an extreme incentive to keep people at 29 hours a week or stay under 50 employees and a living wage varies greatly depending on how many fucking children you have and where you live.
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G] 2
#21707711 - 05/21/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
If they got rid of these programs taxes could be decreased and people can buy more with their money. Suddenly now min wage is going a lot further, without an increase at all.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707716 - 05/21/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21707736 - 05/21/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
If they got rid of these programs taxes could be decreased and people can buy more with their money. Suddenly now min wage is going a lot further, without an increase at all.
Taxes would hardly decrease at all. Food stamps comprise less than 1-2% of the total tax bill. Unemployment is something that the company is supposed to pay for (or you if you are self-employed). You can make an argument that taxes would decrease by about 50% or so if Social Security and Medicare were depleted, but most people who are on either of these are either terminally ill or elderly.
Or maybe they're single mothers or something. So, let's assume that we refuse to provide single mothers with any kind of social or financial support system. Instead, we would have to start providing "free abortions" for single mothers, or we would have to end up financing the housing of the children of homeless or chronically broke parents somewhere. So, even if we got rid of Medicare for certain people like single mothers, this would really not result in a tax decrease at all. The tax would end up going to a different type of system, where we either discourage procreating, or it would result in a type of poverty so bad, that we would have to start forcibly taking away children who are born to parents in poverty, which requires taxes to fund that type of housing and food and education.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21707749 - 05/21/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
I meet a lot of these people in rehab. All the time. People who have been out of work for 10 years straight, or they have multiple felonies, and are therefore ineligible for any decent-paying job. The reason many drug addicts simply choose the easy way of life, is because the system is rigged against them, and they realize they can simply collect way more money faking a disability than bust their ass working a shitty low-paying job.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G] 2
#21707753 - 05/21/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't get me started on single mothers using disability and the like. They are basically using the gov as their man, they cost everybody more taxmoney the norm 2 parent familys.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707784 - 05/21/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
I meet a lot of these people in rehab. All the time. People who have been out of work for 10 years straight, or they have multiple felonies, and are therefore ineligible for any decent-paying job. The reason many drug addicts simply choose the easy way of life, is because the system is rigged against them, and they realize they can simply collect way more money faking a disability than bust their ass working a shitty low-paying job.
They choose that way of life because it is an option. It shouldn't be. Fuck them. And I am sick and tired of hearing about how hard dipshits who make shit money work. Almost none of them work hard. If they worked hard they would get paid more.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
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CaptainKurt said: Don't get me started on single mothers using disability and the like. They are basically using the gov as their man to take money by proxy from working men, and women too, the ones who wanna work hard like men. People wonder why some women have such high standards today, they don't need some any joe who can provide a bit of financial security, they already got that base covered by the gov. Has anyone ever seen a homeless women, no not probably. Its just men that end up homeless, becuase nobody gives a fuck about a man on hard times. We gotta look out for ourself. lol
Sorry, what? Do women use disability more than men or something? I don't think so.
Single mothers might use Medicare more than young single men, but that is only because women typically have primary custody of their children, and their fathers are being absentee losers who refuse to pay for their own kids. Blame the fathers.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707848 - 05/21/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If anything, taxes should go down with the new minimum wage. People who are working will make too much to be eligible for assistance programs. Looking at San Francisco, they have had a higher minimum wage at 12 or 13 dollars, and it has had virtually no impact on employment rates.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707886 - 05/21/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every woman I've met with kids is on disability.It pays twice as much as welfare, plus they get child tax credits and possibly child support if they wanted to pursue the baby daddy for that and have his check garnished for it. Why are these women single anyways, its because they decided to sleep with bad boys who can't provide them with resources. So now the tax payers are providing the resources. This is completely dysfunctional from our the natural way, if a cave women slept with a deadbeat caveman, she is gonna pay dearly by dying or something terrible happening. As a man I dont think this is fair at all that I'm paying taxes to support some douchebag's children. lol
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21707913 - 05/21/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
Just look at employment rates before and after the initial wage increase. Employment increased by about 1.8 percent or so that year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-01-22/san-franciscos-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
So true. Using a bookstore closing isn't a good example Even the monster book stores are closing, they can't compete with eBooks and Amazon.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21707956 - 05/21/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seems the Department of Labor has already addressed most of these issues..
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.
Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 percent are women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.
Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.
Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.
Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.
Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.
Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.
Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.
Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.
Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.
Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.
Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.
Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.
Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.
Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.
Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.
Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.
Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.
Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.
Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.
Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.
Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
Just look at employment rates before and after the initial wage increase. Employment increased by about 1.8 percent or so that year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-01-22/san-franciscos-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy
It wasn't me who said why he is closing. It was the liberal fruit loop from San Francisco and the liberal fruit loop employees who are going to lose their jobs. Oh well, you don't care. Most businesses do not give a shit since they already pay more than what is being proposed.
By the way you may want to consider that coincidence does not equal causality.
Tell us all again about where a minimum wage worker can live in San Fran. I would love to hear this one.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21708044 - 05/21/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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CaptainKurt said: Every woman I've met with kids is on disability.It pays twice as much as welfare, plus they get child tax credits and possibly child support if they wanted to pursue the baby daddy for that and have his check garnished for it. Why are these women single anyways, its because they decided to sleep with bad boys who can't provide them with resources. So now the tax payers are providing the resources. This is completely dysfunctional from our the natural way, if a cave women slept with a deadbeat caveman, she is gonna pay dearly by dying or something terrible happening. As a man I dont think this is fair at all that I'm paying taxes to support some douchebag's children. lol
yeah. So how do you fix that? The only thing you can do, is either provide free abortions. Force people who don't meet some criteria to get sterilized, which would probably cost more than it saves, much like drug testing people on welfare in order to discourage addicts from abusing welfare. And take away children born to people in poverty, which requires more taxes.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
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Tell us all again about where a minimum wage worker can live in San Fran. I would love to hear this one.
Tell us more about how somebody making $8 an hour has an easier time living in Sf than somebody making 15$
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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If that is all you can make you do not deserve to live in San Fran. Fucking get out
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: No welfare, That'll change behavior right quick.
That is illegal. You cannot allow children to go hungry or homeless. By law, legally, CPS would have to step in and intervene. Who do you think funds CPS?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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That is illegal. You cannot allow children to go hungry or homeless. By law, legally, CPS would have to step in and intervene. Who do you think funds CPS?
You just make shit up as you go along, don't you?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Enlil]
#21709320 - 05/22/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you just notice that?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
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who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
Oh, and $1200 is actually already the price for a 1-bedroom apartment in LA County. In fact, $1200 is the cheapest apartment you will ever find in LA County. $1100 was the cheapest 1-bedroom apartment I've ever found in all of LA County that wasn't in an area where I was going to get shot or stabbed or mugged. And it still wasn't that nice of a place either. What is happening now is that immigrants are taking up all the minimum wage jobs.
so new zealand is as overpriced as LA
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Well Obamacare has given employers an extreme incentive to keep people at 29 hours a week or stay under 50 employees and a living wage varies greatly depending on how many fucking children you have and where you live.
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
no, government handouts give people incentive to keep sucking the welfare tit
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
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Prisoner#1 said: now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a $16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an 'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead of $18
Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand
so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages
who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area
The infographic already calculated for the exchange rate. $16/hr is the equivalent in US dollars.
oh, so it's already adjusted for the exchange rate, that would mean that they're only making $12 an hour and the $16 minimum wage is fantasy numbers
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Shroomism said: Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.
hahahaha... no
Perhaps I should reword that.
People who work full time 40+ hour weeks at a job, should be able to afford to live. If you work full time, and still struggle to make ends meet, you won't be very happy with your job. People who work full time and make enough money to survive... GENERALLY will be happier workers.
once more.... no.
some people stay pissed off that they have to work, others, no matter how much they make feel it's never enough, this happy worker bullshit boils down to nothing more than the attitude of the worker
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Tell us all again about where a minimum wage worker can live in San Fran. I would love to hear this one.
The Tenderloin's sidewalks might still have a few openings.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Seems the Department of Labor has already addressed most of these issues..
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
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Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.
Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 percent are women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.
Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.
Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.
Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.
Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.
Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.
Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.
Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.
Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.
Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.
Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.
Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.
Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.
Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.
Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.
Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.
Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.
Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.
Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.
Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.
Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.
Now let's just wait for zap and Pris to argue the findings of 600 economists and 7 Nobel prize winners. It should be interesting.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Patlal] 1
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: grower182]
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The sad thing is that so many believe the government when it suits them, but not when it doesn't.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Patlal]
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Now let's just wait for zap and Pris to argue the findings of 600 economists and 7 Nobel prize winners. It should be interesting.
check these nobel prize winners out
a terrorist

the man that started the carpet bombing with napalm in viet nam

a do nothing that decided to do something which resulted in the deaths if tens of thousands of innocent civilians and perpetuated a state of war

wanna hear a joke?
Q: what's the difference between a terrorist training camp and a pakistani wedding? A: I dont know either, I just pilot the drones
by my estimates, both you and I will receive a nobel prize in less than 15 years
they reviewed 63 studies, whooptifuckingdoo, they arent providing those studies and since we know that studies are driven by the funding it's not like it cant be called into question. what do the other thousands of studies have to say?
600 economists? wow, why such a low number, even Archetects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth have more professionals that are claiming 9/11 was a controlled demolition.... so those economists are already on weak footing
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-20/los-angeles-s-15-minimum-wage-will-hurt-workers http://www.forbes.com/sites/williamdunkelberg/2012/12/31/why-raising-the-minimum-wage-kills-jobs/ http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/03/11/raising-the-minimum-wage-wont-help-the-poor
even warren buffett says that it will cost jobs and believes that raising the earned income tax credit is a more appropriate way to deal with it, I cant disagree
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/warren-buffett-minimum-wage/392333/
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Patlal]
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Raising the minimum wage will guarantee those who aren't worthy of that wage will lose their job, and getting a simple burger flipping gig wont be as easy as it was before. All these people thinking that they're getting free money without without consequences are in for a rude awakening. There will be more shops closing and pink slips handed out than anything.
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What happens to the people like me who have a college degree and make 20 an hour? Will my wages rise by 80% as well cause if so sure let's do it!! This fuckin piece of paper only cost me $20,000 and 8 years of my life. Am still hoping I made the right choice to pursue a higher education over working as a cashier at mc Donald's but with the minimal income disparity between the two I am starting to wonder. Shit I could be making free burgers for myself on the side every day.
No jk, my job is better but I am pretty pissed I'll be making a little over minimum wage with all I've put into getting an education. Leaves me daydreaming of an earthquake devouring the soured city of LA, and forcing it down into the watery abyss it deserves to rest in for the next several million years, and I fear even then it will not be cleansed of it's stank
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Suspector]
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Suspector said: Why are they waiting 5 years?
They aren't. It goes from $9 to $10.50, then to $12, then to $13.25, then to $14.25 and finally to $15, incrementally over the next five years.
An interesting article with some statistical analysis worth reading: Every Single Part of Los Angeles is Unaffordable on $15/Hour.
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This is a good thing—higher minimum wages will bring a lot of working people out of poverty, where they never should have been in the first place, and make it easier for them to continue living in Los Angeles. But it won't make it easy. Technically, it won't even make it possible.
Assuming a person earning $15 an hour is also working 40 a week, which is rare for a minimum wage employee, and that they're not taking any days off (the City Council considered bundling paid days off with the wage hike, but scrapped the idea), they'd be earning $31,200 a year. An Economic Policy Institute study released in March found that a single, childless person living in Los Angeles has to make $34,324 a year just to live in decent conditions (and that was using data from 2013). A household with one parent and one kid would need to be bringing in $60,600, and it just goes up from there. A childless couple is the exception here: they only need to make $46,750 combined, which would be possible in our imaginary minimum wage scenario...
In so far as my personal view, while I don't necessarily believe that minimum wage increases are the ideal solution, I find it hard to not support measures that will benefit working people.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: ManianFH]
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mick said: What happens to the people like me who have a college degree and make 20 an hour? Will my wages rise by 80% as well cause if so sure let's do it!! This fuckin piece of paper only cost me $20,000 and 8 years of my life. Am still hoping I made the right choice to pursue a higher education over working as a cashier at mc Donald's but with the minimal income disparity between the two I am starting to wonder. Shit I could be making free burgers for myself on the side every day.
No jk, my job is better but I am pretty pissed I'll be making a little over minimum wage with all I've put into getting an education. Leaves me daydreaming of an earthquake devouring the soured city of LA, and forcing it down into the watery abyss it deserves to rest in for the next several million years, and I fear even then it will not be cleansed of it's stank
It's about working in LA, don't compare your situation with minimum wage earners in that part of the country.
I'm sure many businesses don't even mind the hike, it leaves them with more reliable workers and potentially less competition in many industries.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
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I do not care what LA does. It is none of my business. I think minimum wage is a stupid idea and an even stupider idea is to have a national one. The robots are coming
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
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CaptainKurt said: Don't get me started on single mothers using disability and the like. They are basically using the gov as their man, they cost everybody more taxmoney the norm 2 parent familys.
http://www.hadit.com/forums/topic/15610-100-disability-with-proposed-incompetence/ so many "women" sit at home pumping out kids with no husbands
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is 
That a common myth. People live in LA with no income at all. Its easy to live on little to no pay in the US.
I suggest that your notion of "survive" is actually living it up with luxury.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21710805 - 05/22/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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mick said: What happens to the people like me who have a college degree and make 20 an hour? Will my wages rise by 80% as well cause if so sure let's do it!! This fuckin piece of paper only cost me $20,000 and 8 years of my life. Am still hoping I made the right choice to pursue a higher education over working as a cashier at mc Donald's but with the minimal income disparity between the two I am starting to wonder. Shit I could be making free burgers for myself on the side every day.
No jk, my job is better but I am pretty pissed I'll be making a little over minimum wage with all I've put into getting an education. Leaves me daydreaming of an earthquake devouring the soured city of LA, and forcing it down into the watery abyss it deserves to rest in for the next several million years, and I fear even then it will not be cleansed of it's stank
It's about working in LA, don't compare your situation with minimum wage earners in that part of the country.
I live in OC, the average of costs here are almost identical.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: ManianFH]
#21710923 - 05/22/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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mick said: What happens to the people like me who have a college degree and make 20 an hour? Will my wages rise by 80% as well cause if so sure let's do it!! This fuckin piece of paper only cost me $20,000 and 8 years of my life. Am still hoping I made the right choice to pursue a higher education over working as a cashier at mc Donald's but with the minimal income disparity between the two I am starting to wonder. Shit I could be making free burgers for myself on the side every day.
No jk, my job is better but I am pretty pissed I'll be making a little over minimum wage with all I've put into getting an education. Leaves me daydreaming of an earthquake devouring the soured city of LA, and forcing it down into the watery abyss it deserves to rest in for the next several million years, and I fear even then it will not be cleansed of it's stank
It's about working in LA, don't compare your situation with minimum wage earners in that part of the country.
I live in OC, the average of costs here are almost identical.
Ok, that's a valid point, maybe the same policy is coming to your area in the near future.
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: geokills]
#21711170 - 05/22/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Suspector said: Why are they waiting 5 years?
They aren't. It goes from $9 to $10.50, then to $12, then to $13.25, then to $14.25 and finally to $15, incrementally over the next five years.
An interesting article with some statistical analysis worth reading: Every Single Part of Los Angeles is Unaffordable on $15/Hour.
In so far as my personal view, while I don't necessarily believe that minimum wage increases are the ideal solution, I find it hard to not support measures that will benefit working people.
And here's an interesting article I ran across yesterday. It says you need to make about $30 an hour to be able to live in OC. I can't say I disagree. I too live in OC. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/housing-662242-rent-low.html
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: DieCommie] 1
#21711175 - 05/22/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is 
That a common myth. People live in LA with no income at all. Its easy to live on little to no pay in the US.
I suggest that your notion of "survive" is actually living it up with luxury.
Yeah you can be homeless on nothing, sure. I've done it. You can sleep on skid row with all the crackheads and gang bangers if you want, sure. But if you want to have a job, a place to live, transportation.. we're talking about people who work full time. Do you know many homeless people that hold down full time jobs?
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: qman]
#21711943 - 05/22/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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mick said: What happens to the people like me who have a college degree and make 20 an hour? Will my wages rise by 80% as well cause if so sure let's do it!! This fuckin piece of paper only cost me $20,000 and 8 years of my life. Am still hoping I made the right choice to pursue a higher education over working as a cashier at mc Donald's but with the minimal income disparity between the two I am starting to wonder. Shit I could be making free burgers for myself on the side every day.
No jk, my job is better but I am pretty pissed I'll be making a little over minimum wage with all I've put into getting an education. Leaves me daydreaming of an earthquake devouring the soured city of LA, and forcing it down into the watery abyss it deserves to rest in for the next several million years, and I fear even then it will not be cleansed of it's stank
It's about working in LA, don't compare your situation with minimum wage earners in that part of the country.
I live in OC, the average of costs here are almost identical.
Ok, that's a valid point, maybe the same policy is coming to your area in the near future.
Im sure it will. but im also sure in the meantime, the raised costs that result from such wage increases, whatever they may be, will spill over into OC regardless of what happens to the minimum wage here. Im not even super upset about it, I mean, if i wanted to make more money than I do, I could go out and get it. The options exist for me, BUT..... considering how many people really make $16 an hour working much harder jobs than the min wage ones, which all of a sudden will pay virtually the same amount, I can understand how those who worked hard to get their $16 will be pissed when they dont get a raise as well.
Also, I think it will be a deterrent to pursue higher education. Afterall, why go to college when you get the same amount working at subway as you do with 80% of all Bachelors degrees? Whats the point of having all these additional skills when I can just make sandwiches for the same pay? What I see is how it likely is now, 15 people packed into an apartment together with sheets for walls, all making minimum wage, regardless of what its set at.
-------------------- notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... " ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."
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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: ManianFH]
#21712519 - 05/22/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's nothing that says you have to give someone a raise most raises come when someone gets a better position
other then that 25cents every six months and they can stop raising it whenever they feel like they aren't doing the required work
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