|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21707736 - 05/21/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
CaptainKurt said:
Quote:
Crystal G said:
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
If they got rid of these programs taxes could be decreased and people can buy more with their money. Suddenly now min wage is going a lot further, without an increase at all.
Taxes would hardly decrease at all. Food stamps comprise less than 1-2% of the total tax bill. Unemployment is something that the company is supposed to pay for (or you if you are self-employed). You can make an argument that taxes would decrease by about 50% or so if Social Security and Medicare were depleted, but most people who are on either of these are either terminally ill or elderly.
Or maybe they're single mothers or something. So, let's assume that we refuse to provide single mothers with any kind of social or financial support system. Instead, we would have to start providing "free abortions" for single mothers, or we would have to end up financing the housing of the children of homeless or chronically broke parents somewhere. So, even if we got rid of Medicare for certain people like single mothers, this would really not result in a tax decrease at all. The tax would end up going to a different type of system, where we either discourage procreating, or it would result in a type of poverty so bad, that we would have to start forcibly taking away children who are born to parents in poverty, which requires taxes to fund that type of housing and food and education.
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21707749 - 05/21/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Quote:
Crystal G said:
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
I meet a lot of these people in rehab. All the time. People who have been out of work for 10 years straight, or they have multiple felonies, and are therefore ineligible for any decent-paying job. The reason many drug addicts simply choose the easy way of life, is because the system is rigged against them, and they realize they can simply collect way more money faking a disability than bust their ass working a shitty low-paying job.
|
CaptainKurt
Stranger


Registered: 04/30/15
Posts: 160
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G] 2
#21707753 - 05/21/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Don't get me started on single mothers using disability and the like. They are basically using the gov as their man, they cost everybody more taxmoney the norm 2 parent familys.
Edited by CaptainKurt (05/22/15 07:19 AM)
|
KnyggaPlease
Stranger



Registered: 03/09/15
Posts: 763
Last seen: 8 years, 1 month
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21707755 - 05/21/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Quote:
Crystal G said:
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
Zappa called out half the shroomery
--------------------
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707784 - 05/21/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Crystal G said:
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Quote:
Crystal G said:
When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.
Bullshit. What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway? Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills. If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.
I meet a lot of these people in rehab. All the time. People who have been out of work for 10 years straight, or they have multiple felonies, and are therefore ineligible for any decent-paying job. The reason many drug addicts simply choose the easy way of life, is because the system is rigged against them, and they realize they can simply collect way more money faking a disability than bust their ass working a shitty low-paying job.
They choose that way of life because it is an option. It shouldn't be. Fuck them. And I am sick and tired of hearing about how hard dipshits who make shit money work. Almost none of them work hard. If they worked hard they would get paid more.
--------------------
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21707796 - 05/21/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
CaptainKurt said: Don't get me started on single mothers using disability and the like. They are basically using the gov as their man to take money by proxy from working men, and women too, the ones who wanna work hard like men. People wonder why some women have such high standards today, they don't need some any joe who can provide a bit of financial security, they already got that base covered by the gov. Has anyone ever seen a homeless women, no not probably. Its just men that end up homeless, becuase nobody gives a fuck about a man on hard times. We gotta look out for ourself. lol
Sorry, what? Do women use disability more than men or something? I don't think so.
Single mothers might use Medicare more than young single men, but that is only because women typically have primary custody of their children, and their fathers are being absentee losers who refuse to pay for their own kids. Blame the fathers.
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707848 - 05/21/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
If anything, taxes should go down with the new minimum wage. People who are working will make too much to be eligible for assistance programs. Looking at San Francisco, they have had a higher minimum wage at 12 or 13 dollars, and it has had virtually no impact on employment rates.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707870 - 05/21/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
CaptainKurt
Stranger


Registered: 04/30/15
Posts: 160
Last seen: 8 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707886 - 05/21/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Every woman I've met with kids is on disability.It pays twice as much as welfare, plus they get child tax credits and possibly child support if they wanted to pursue the baby daddy for that and have his check garnished for it. Why are these women single anyways, its because they decided to sleep with bad boys who can't provide them with resources. So now the tax payers are providing the resources. This is completely dysfunctional from our the natural way, if a cave women slept with a deadbeat caveman, she is gonna pay dearly by dying or something terrible happening. As a man I dont think this is fair at all that I'm paying taxes to support some douchebag's children. lol
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21707913 - 05/21/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
Just look at employment rates before and after the initial wage increase. Employment increased by about 1.8 percent or so that year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-01-22/san-franciscos-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21707935 - 05/21/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Crystal G said: Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
So true. Using a bookstore closing isn't a good example Even the monster book stores are closing, they can't compete with eBooks and Amazon.
--------------------
|
Shroomism
Space Travellin



Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 66,015
Loc: 9th Dimension
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
#21707956 - 05/21/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Seems the Department of Labor has already addressed most of these issues..
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
Quote:
Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.
Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 percent are women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.
Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.
Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.
Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.
Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.
Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.
Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.
Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.
Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.
Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.
Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.
Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.
Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.
Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.
Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.
Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.
Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.
Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.
Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.
Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.
Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.
Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.
Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.
Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.
Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.
--------------------
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21708005 - 05/21/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Crystal G said: Oh please. Bookstores are closing everywhere, even huge bookstores like Barnes N Nobles because nobody reads books anymore. That is like Blockbusters blaming minimum wage because nobody rents VHS anymore.
Just look at employment rates before and after the initial wage increase. Employment increased by about 1.8 percent or so that year.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-01-22/san-franciscos-higher-minimum-wage-hasnt-hurt-the-economy
It wasn't me who said why he is closing. It was the liberal fruit loop from San Francisco and the liberal fruit loop employees who are going to lose their jobs. Oh well, you don't care. Most businesses do not give a shit since they already pay more than what is being proposed.
By the way you may want to consider that coincidence does not equal causality.
Tell us all again about where a minimum wage worker can live in San Fran. I would love to hear this one.
--------------------
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21708044 - 05/21/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
CaptainKurt said: Every woman I've met with kids is on disability.It pays twice as much as welfare, plus they get child tax credits and possibly child support if they wanted to pursue the baby daddy for that and have his check garnished for it. Why are these women single anyways, its because they decided to sleep with bad boys who can't provide them with resources. So now the tax payers are providing the resources. This is completely dysfunctional from our the natural way, if a cave women slept with a deadbeat caveman, she is gonna pay dearly by dying or something terrible happening. As a man I dont think this is fair at all that I'm paying taxes to support some douchebag's children. lol
yeah. So how do you fix that? The only thing you can do, is either provide free abortions. Force people who don't meet some criteria to get sterilized, which would probably cost more than it saves, much like drug testing people on welfare in order to discourage addicts from abusing welfare. And take away children born to people in poverty, which requires more taxes.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21708049 - 05/21/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
No welfare, That'll change behavior right quick.
--------------------
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21708053 - 05/21/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Tell us all again about where a minimum wage worker can live in San Fran. I would love to hear this one.
Tell us more about how somebody making $8 an hour has an easier time living in Sf than somebody making 15$
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21708063 - 05/21/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
If that is all you can make you do not deserve to live in San Fran. Fucking get out
--------------------
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
#21708065 - 05/21/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: No welfare, That'll change behavior right quick.
That is illegal. You cannot allow children to go hungry or homeless. By law, legally, CPS would have to step in and intervene. Who do you think funds CPS?
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
#21708138 - 05/21/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Change the law.
--------------------
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,508
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G] 1
#21708150 - 05/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Crystal G said:
That is illegal. You cannot allow children to go hungry or homeless. By law, legally, CPS would have to step in and intervene. Who do you think funds CPS?
You just make shit up as you go along, don't you?
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
|