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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Oldgregg]
    #21705654 - 05/21/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've been to Australia and can confirm Maccas may very well be the only thing as cheap as anything in the US.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: D.M.T]
    #21705696 - 05/21/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As a teenager I worked minimum wage in a small restaurant. On average it took 3 employees working and average of 10 hour days at about $8/hour.

Now if we make that $15 ($7) difference

$7 x 3 employees x 10 hours = $210 a day.

Do that for a year $210 x 360 = $75,600 a year.

I know the owner was making a profit but there is no way in hell that he was making $75,000 a year. If the business isn't profitable why would he stay open? So he closes up and 6-10 jobs are lost. Maybe McDonald's can handle a minimum wage increase like this but local/small business owners will struggle.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Matt87]
    #21705718 - 05/21/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People get comfortable and act entitled really fast too though. At my first high paying construction job I would hear guys who make 30 bucks an hour saying "I don't get paid enough for this" constantly. I initially was like wow, how can they say that? That's good pay. I fell into the same thinking pretty quick. A pay increase doesn't necessarily make for happier employees.



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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
    #21705724 - 05/21/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.




So true. Have you ever seen those videos of Walmart or Taco Bell employees pissing all over the food, or deliberately breaking boxes and shit?




when I worked in concrete the starting pay at the company 17 years ago was
$14/hr, well over the standard for atlanta construction and the minimum wage
for the US. it still didnt make them "happy" because the fuckups were still
colossal with repairs sometimes costing the company in the tens of millions

when I worked at a metal fab shop the starting wage was $9/hr, $4 more than the
federal minimum wage and pretty reasonable for the area, raises came quite
regularly and they were not small, my pay rate more than doubled in the course
of the first year I was there and for some reason the highest paid shop hand
was unhappy with being a 25year old shop superintendent that made $26/hr, 5x
the going rate for the area for a man with his education, he worked harder at
sabotaging production than he did on getting the shit out the door and all he
did every day was try to screw the company on payroll and bitch about the
office monkeys while planning to unionize and strike, among those well paid
employees a number of them were 'unhappy'

the place I'm currently at caps production workers at $17/hr, around 1/3 of
those workers have 10+ years in with the company, a number of them with 15+
years are in better positions where they earn as high as $90k and a few have
been there more than 40 years, there's even a few dozen with fewer than 5
years that are into the higher paying paying positions and all of them started
in production but the one thing that is a constant, it doesnt matter how much
they make, there are a lot that still bitch and quality is still a major issue


now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a
$16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD
is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not
shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is
now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for
a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be
double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an
'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead
of $18

Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm
paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as
opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and
if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand

so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has
affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live
there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and
the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages

who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a
payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will
get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area


maybe shroomism's little picture is pretty misleading


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #21705987 - 05/21/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah except $15/hour is hardly even enough to survive in LA as is :lol:




Was just reading it is much closer to what 10$ would be in other areas.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
    #21706003 - 05/21/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Yeah look at In-N-Out. They make far less than McDonald's, start their minimum employees out at $10.50 an hour, give managers 6-figure salaries, and their burgers have always stayed the same price at around $1.50 or $2. Far cheaper than McDonald's, which is a giant corporation.




*gasp* Kill the dirty commies! Kill them all and burn down the resturants! :kkk:


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21706019 - 05/21/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe skid row can upgrade to makeshift plastic houses instead of cardboard


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #21706021 - 05/21/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wait, so the cost of living in a highly liberal city is so high that they have to raise the minimum wage to make everyone happy?  You don't say...


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: abltsandwich]
    #21706074 - 05/21/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sure, pay people "market" value like in the good old days. And what is market value? Usually as little as possible. And in an unregulated free market that invariably means starvation wages. I'm sure you've heard of the horrendous conditions workers in factories in such places as Bangledesh or China have to endure. Guess what kids, once we had exactly that sort of thing right here in the good old USA. T'is true.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21706467 - 05/21/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think overall minimum wage doesn't work exactly as expected. Business owners just realize people have more money so they raise their prices a few nickles here and there. Then your back where you started. Small businesses also suffer because their profit margin is so low, they have to hire their family members under the table to avoid min wage. If these businesses close, it all goes to big box stores like walmart, starbucks etc.



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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: CaptainKurt]
    #21706596 - 05/21/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Are you absolutely sure it was the raise in minimum wage responsible? After all,cable companies are always jacking up the price, and energy prices are always going up due to other reasons. We had a recent rate hike here too and there's been no rise in the minimum wage here. Correlation does not always equal causation.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21707266 - 05/21/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a
$16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD
is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not
shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is
now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for
a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be
double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an
'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead
of $18

Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm
paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as
opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and
if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand

so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has
affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live
there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and
the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages

who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a
payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will
get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area




Food and consumer goods is not necessarily high because of standard of living, it's because of the GST. Also, many countries such as Sweden impose a heavy tax on alcohol, so maybe the same is true for NZ? IDK the exact alcohol tax NZ has. It's basically similar to the heavy tax that the USA has on cigarettes.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21707284 - 05/21/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
now shroomism posted a little 'infographic' showing that new zealanders have a
$16 minimum wage, let's look at the exchange rate, NZ is at 76% of what the USD
is worth so that $16/hr comes out to be around $12/hr in the US, still not
shabby but when you apply that to the cost of the burger, that $4.74 burger is
now at a whopping $5.70... then let's factor in what the cost of living is, for
a domestic beer in the US I might pay a couple of dolllars, in NZ it appears be
double the price of that in the US for domestics, I also spend about $12 on an
'inexpensive' meal at a place such as chili's or the average restaurant instead
of $18

Grocery shopping in new zealand says that milk is around the same price as I'm
paying but when we look at chicken $7/lb which is what I pay for steaks as
opposed to the cheapest meat on the planet so it seems they pay a lot more and
if someone is a smoker, $19 for a pack of marlboro instead of the $5 I would pay

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=New+Zealand

so really, how does it appear that the minimum wage hike in new zealand has
affected the cost of living? it certainly doesnt appear that it's cheap to live
there just as in canada and even california where those wages are higher and
the cost of living has increased to reflect those higher wages

who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a
payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will
get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area




The infographic already calculated for the exchange rate. $16/hr is the equivalent in US dollars.


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Quote:

Shroomism said:
Yes but any idiot should know that happy employees makes for a smooth running operation, especially successful multi billion dollar companies.




hahahaha... no




Perhaps I should reword that.

People who work full time 40+ hour weeks at a job, should be able to afford to live. If you work full time, and still struggle to make ends meet, you won't be very happy with your job.
People who work full time and make enough money to survive... GENERALLY will be happier workers.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707517 - 05/21/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It helps to seek out higher paying jobs when you think yours doesn't pay enough.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #21707523 - 05/21/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well Obamacare has given employers an extreme incentive to keep people at 29 hours a week or stay under 50 employees and a living wage varies greatly depending on how many fucking children you have and where you live.  If all you can earn is minimum wage the box you should be checking when asked how many children you have should be

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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21707553 - 05/21/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, but who said anything about children?


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Shroomism]
    #21707572 - 05/21/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Children are the single biggest determinant of what is a living wage.  The little shits cost money and don't do any work, the parasitic fucks.

If I have no children and live in the middle of Arkansas I can get by on spit.  If I live in NY and have 3 kids a living wage is 5 billion dollars an hour.  I am only exagerating slightly for dramatic effect.  No person who is only capable of earning minimum wage has any business having a child.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
    #21707648 - 05/21/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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who can afford to pay $1200/mo for a 1br apartment in new zealand, that's a
payment on a 4br house where I live and the $2000/mo for a 3br apartment will
get you a damn nice house in the atlanta area




Oh, and $1200 is actually already the price for a 1-bedroom apartment in LA County. In fact, $1200 is the cheapest apartment you will ever find in LA County. $1100 was the cheapest 1-bedroom apartment I've ever found in all of LA County that wasn't in an area where I was going to get shot or stabbed or mugged. And it still wasn't that nice of a place either. What is happening now is that immigrants are taking up all the minimum wage jobs.

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Well Obamacare has given employers an extreme incentive to keep people at 29 hours a week or stay under 50 employees and a living wage varies greatly depending on how many fucking children you have and where you live.




When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #21707711 - 05/21/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.




If they got rid of these programs taxes could be decreased and people can buy more with their money. Suddenly now min wage is going a lot further, without an increase at all.


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Re: Los Angeles Lifts Its Minimum Wage to $15 Per Hour By 2020 [Re: Crystal G]
    #21707716 - 05/21/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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When minimum wage is too low, it also gives people incentive to stay on food stamps and collect unemployment and disability, instead of actually contributing to the work force.



Bullshit.  What percent of the work force do you think are minimum wage losers, anyway?  Minimum wagers are usually teenagers with zero experience and zero skills.  If you are still minimum wage after 21 you are a total fucking loser and should not be polluting the gene pool.


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