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Drugs that are unfairly demonized
    #21702482 - 05/20/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heroin:  People will do morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and even fentanyl but will never even think of touching heroin.  Why does heroin have such a bad name?  Its just another potent opiate.  Addictive as fuck but causes no damage to the body like for example amphetamines damage the brain, alcohol damages the liver and cocaine damages the heart but opiates do no damage.

Methamphetamine:  The propaganda against this drug is worse than reefer madness.  Those faces of meth pictures are fucking stupid.  What they're saying is meth makes you "ugly" and because society is so obsessed with looks it worked.  That's kinda fucked up, I mean they're saying those people look like shit.  How do they think that makes them feel or is it that they don't matter because their meth addicts?  If so then that's kinda like Hitler tbh...

LSD(and to a lesser extent psychedelics in general):  People think that doing LSD will make you crazy and they think its like datura.  The anti-LSD propaganda is so ridiculous that I can't even say much about it.  LSD is very safe when used in moderation and can have great personal benefits.  LSD doesn't make you jump out windows or eat people's faces.  LSD doesn't make you crazy its a substance with a lot of uses and doesn't deserve its reputation. 

MDMA:  People think that MDMA will kill you or that it makes your temp like 300 degrees or something.  This is one of the safest drugs when used in moderation.  This is another drug that can have massive personal benefits it sure helped me.  I probably would of died a miserable coke and spice addict if I didn't try molly. This drug truly helped me see the bright side in everything even sober and it helped me make friends.  I :heart: MDMA.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702680 - 05/20/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin:  People will do morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and even fentanyl but will never even think of touching heroin.  Why does heroin have such a bad name?  Its just another potent opiate.  Addictive as fuck but causes no damage to the body like for example amphetamines damage the brain, alcohol damages the liver and cocaine damages the heart but opiates do no damage.

Methamphetamine:  The propaganda against this drug is worse than reefer madness.  Those faces of meth pictures are fucking stupid.  What they're saying is meth makes you "ugly" and because society is so obsessed with looks it worked.  That's kinda fucked up, I mean they're saying those people look like shit.  How do they think that makes them feel or is it that they don't matter because their meth addicts?  If so then that's kinda like Hitler tbh...

LSD(and to a lesser extent psychedelics in general):  People think that doing LSD will make you crazy and they think its like datura.  The anti-LSD propaganda is so ridiculous that I can't even say much about it.  LSD is very safe when used in moderation and can have great personal benefits.  LSD doesn't make you jump out windows or eat people's faces.  LSD doesn't make you crazy its a substance with a lot of uses and doesn't deserve its reputation. 

MDMA:  People think that MDMA will kill you or that it makes your temp like 300 degrees or something.  This is one of the safest drugs when used in moderation.  This is another drug that can have massive personal benefits it sure helped me.  I probably would of died a miserable coke and spice addict if I didn't try molly. This drug truly helped me see the bright side in everything even sober and it helped me make friends.  I :heart: MDMA.




heroin has a bad name because all those other drugs are "Clean" and pure or whatever bs those people tell you. Peoples way of thinking there good and not breaking the law. Also doesnt have the junkie in a puddle with the needle in his arm stigma to go with it (generally).

The next 2 are pure bs... as in like your source is wrong. People dont think that way...


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702705 - 05/20/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin:  People will do morphine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and even fentanyl but will never even think of touching heroin.  Why does heroin have such a bad name?  Its just another potent opiate.  Addictive as fuck but causes no damage to the body like for example amphetamines damage the brain, alcohol damages the liver and cocaine damages the heart but opiates do no damage.

Methamphetamine:  The propaganda against this drug is worse than reefer madness.  Those faces of meth pictures are fucking stupid.  What they're saying is meth makes you "ugly" and because society is so obsessed with looks it worked.  That's kinda fucked up, I mean they're saying those people look like shit.  How do they think that makes them feel or is it that they don't matter because their meth addicts?  If so then that's kinda like Hitler tbh...

LSD(and to a lesser extent psychedelics in general):  People think that doing LSD will make you crazy and they think its like datura.  The anti-LSD propaganda is so ridiculous that I can't even say much about it.  LSD is very safe when used in moderation and can have great personal benefits.  LSD doesn't make you jump out windows or eat people's faces.  LSD doesn't make you crazy its a substance with a lot of uses and doesn't deserve its reputation. 

MDMA:  People think that MDMA will kill you or that it makes your temp like 300 degrees or something.  This is one of the safest drugs when used in moderation.  This is another drug that can have massive personal benefits it sure helped me.  I probably would of died a miserable coke and spice addict if I didn't try molly. This drug truly helped me see the bright side in everything even sober and it helped me make friends.  I :heart: MDMA.




:congrats: this is pretty accurate to me , The meth pics are just ridiculous I really thought it worked like that with meth when I was younger ,at the same time I was sniffing speed pills not knowing that it was meth :lol:

Good info is way better then lying to people , a grown human being can take his own decisions when in presence of real informations. the propaganda it self makes everything worst and more dangerous . people ODing or having health problem on some RCs and thinking its a *safer* alternative ,seeing that is just frustrating


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702719 - 05/20/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I completely agree with you, but weren't you the one that was trying to convince your parents of this for the same reasons you just stated?

I think just about everyone here on the Shroomery is going to agree with you on this subject, but who are you trying to convince besides us?


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21702729 - 05/20/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I completely agree with you, but weren't you the one that was trying to convince your parents of this for the same reasons you just stated?

I think just about everyone here on the Shroomery is going to agree with you on this subject, but who are you trying to convince besides us?



No.  You must be thinking of somebody else.  I posted this because I'm on adderall and feel like ranting.  :crazy2:


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kakashi68]
    #21702733 - 05/20/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I hate how common folk hear heroin and get all smug in disgust. First many of them have no clue how similar it is to pain medication, pain meds are all good with them:facepalm:. Second i think alotta common folk hear heroin and think you have to shoot it, when in actuality most users i know (nowadays) snort.

But what makes me most sick is the demonization of marijuana!
I know too many people (some alcoholics) who look down on bud smokers and still think it "kills brain cells".:facepalm:

Meanwhile people are putting there children on addictive shit drugs like xanax, all the while scowling at "drug users".


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702735 - 05/20/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my bad dude.
Right on. Like I said, I agree 100% with what you said.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21702739 - 05/20/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I hate how common folk hear heroin and get all smug in disgust. First many of them have no clue how similar it is to pain medication, pain meds are all good with them:facepalm:. Second i think alotta common folk hear heroin and think you have to shoot it, when in actuality most users i know (nowadays) snort.

But what makes me most sick is the demonization of marijuana!
I know too many people (some alcoholics) who look down on bud smokers and still think it "kills brain cells".:facepalm:

Meanwhile people are putting there children on addictive shit drugs like xanax, all the while scowling at "drug users".



I also hate how with weed its always 2 extremes its either the devil or the best thing that ever happened to humanity.  There's no real middle ground with a lot of people.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702753 - 05/20/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There's this doctor here who is very openly anti-meth but will prescribe adderall without an adhd diagnosis.  Not that I'm complaining tho... :wink:

Its just that adderall and meth are almost identical structurally.



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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702755 - 05/20/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Alot of people are uneducated on drugs, it's why people demonise heroin. They don't realise it's just another opiate, just like how beer and vodka are ethanol.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702776 - 05/20/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates.
Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.

I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.

I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
    #21702777 - 05/20/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ya all the ADD/ADHD meds are cash cows for big pharma.
They are prescribing them to children younger and younger.
Shit rewires your brain fucks these children up! ADD my ass its called mom and dad need to learn to tell there kids to "sit down and STFU". Im on all irritable and in a ranting mood cuz im trying to quit smoking and im just angry at the world :facepalm:


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21702785 - 05/20/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Could be the association with needles. Heroin I mean.
That's enough to turn me away.

Not dissing it, or anyone that does though.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21702805 - 05/20/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates.
Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.

I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.

I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.



True but what I do is always start with tiny amounts when I get a new bag just to test the potency.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21702819 - 05/20/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.




Really? I've seen far more people ruin their lives with alcohol than with H.
And far more ruin their lives with prescription opiates than H.

I've had my demons with both opiates and alcohol in the not so distant past, and think both are horrible drugs because they are so wonderful. If that makes sense...


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21702829 - 05/20/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)


The drugs I've seen ruin the most lives is meth and alcohol.  I don't think drugs ruin lives tho, I think the way you use the drugs can ruin your life.

I'm a opiate addict and it far from ruined my life, it actually greatly improved my life.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21702860 - 05/20/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The problem with heroin is you never know what you got because of the laws.  Bill Burroughs maintained function for decades with a heroin addiction.  Meth is not a good idea for two days in a row but fine in short term.  LSD is basically harmless.  I have no knowledge of MDMA.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702872 - 05/20/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a opiate addict and it far from ruined my life, it actually greatly improved my life.




I thought the same thing while addicted.
At the time it seemed like it was a great treatment for depression, anxiety, lethargy, and just overall quality of life until withdrawals smacked me in the face like a bag of bricks and realized that I was not only hurting myself financially, physically, and mentally, but also everyone that cared about me.

It's something very hard to accept while an addict. I think this is the case for all addicting drugs, not just opiates.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21702874 - 05/20/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The problem with heroin is you never know what you got because of the laws.  Bill Burroughs maintained function for decades with a heroin addiction.  Meth is not a good idea for two days in a row but fine in short term.  LSD is basically harmless.  I have no knowledge of MDMA.



MDMA is bad to do too much because it drains all your serotonin and can give you mood swings and other unpleasant effects with overuse.  Its also neurotoxic.  Using MDMA once every 1-3 months prevents this.

LSD can cause HPPD but it wont cause any bodily damage.

Meth is more neurotoxic than MDMA and drains all your dopamine and makes you depressed and anxious and other unpleasant effects with overuse.  Using once every 1-3 months prevents this.

Its crazy how similar MDMA and meth are and how most people don't realize this.

Heroin can cause addiction and you can OD but it wont cause any mental or physical damage.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21702880 - 05/20/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm a opiate addict and it far from ruined my life, it actually greatly improved my life.




I thought the same thing while addicted.
At the time it seemed like it was a great treatment for depression, anxiety, lethargy, and just overall quality of life until withdrawals smacked me in the face like a bag of bricks and realized that I was not only hurting myself financially, physically, and mentally, but also everyone that cared about me.

It's something very hard to accept while an addict. I think this is the case for all addicting drugs, not just opiates.



Yeah I'm trying to quit but that's easier said than done.  I'm thinking about just using opiates once every 2 weeks or so but I gotta get unaddicted first


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702898 - 05/20/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What's HPPD?


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21702922 - 05/20/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You never become "unaddicted" man. Once you are, you'll have a love/hate relationship with it for the rest of your life.

I was clean for a very long time. About a quarter of my life and in the past year dabbled a few times with dope again. It felt wonderful just like it did when I first started. The only reason I haven't gotten back into it on a regular basis is because I have a better understanding of what I'll become if that happens. That and not associating with people that do still indulge in it.

I can't stand that AA/NA bullshit but they are correct about you being in recovery for the rest of your life after getting clean.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21702942 - 05/20/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates.
Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.

I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.

I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.




Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.


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    #21702953 - 05/20/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.




Exactly my case as well as every other person I used to hang out with that did/does opiates.

I'm sure there's a few people out there that jumped right into heroin because that's all that was around on the streets, but they are by far the minority.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
    #21702957 - 05/20/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You never become "unaddicted" man. Once you are, you'll have a love/hate relationship with it for the rest of your life.

I was clean for a very long time. About a quarter of my life and in the past year dabbled a few times with dope again. It felt wonderful just like it did when I first started. The only reason I haven't gotten back into it on a regular basis is because I have a better understanding of what I'll become if that happens. That and not associating with people that do still indulge in it.

I can't stand that AA/NA bullshit but they are correct about you being in recovery for the rest of your life after getting clean.




So true man. Once you have gone too far, there is no going back, you can only sink lower. The fact that you are clean helps to rationalize using in your mind.

This time i can handle it :goodluckwiththat:

Thats what i always think, but nothing ever changes.

I realized that by doing dope, all i was doing is waiting to die. I didn't care about anything or anyone, not even myself.

Heroin steals your soul, and makes you not even care.















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    #21702961 - 05/20/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

GHB

if you mention it to alot of people, even seasoned drug users, they look at you like you're a rapist or something

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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
    #21702968 - 05/20/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates.
Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.

I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.

I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.




Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.



What's your point? :confused:


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21702993 - 05/20/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
    #21702998 - 05/20/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Gresh said:
GHB

if you mention it to alot of people, even seasoned drug users, they look at you like you're a rapist or something

meanwhile alcohol is the real date rape drug



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That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.



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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21703031 - 05/20/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

We are born addicted.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21703045 - 05/20/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
    #21703169 - 05/20/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Classic psychedelics, LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline face the most undeserved negativity. The drugs are damn near spiritual sacraments, can be very worthwhile, are almost never abused, and pose very little harm.  Yet they are  seen as pure evil by may people.  Using LSD is like this unimaginable sin to many of the ignorant masses.  Easily seen as as bad if not worse than any of the hard drugs.

Marijuana has also obviously been unfairly given a bad name, but the perception of it is rapidly changing.  And it is not as perfect as some people claim, so I feel that these days it may be among the more fairly treated drugs.

GHB gets a horrendous reputation.  To posses it is to obviously be a rapist.  Yet it is actually mostly harmless.

Surprisingly I'm going to mention PCP.  The liars will have you believing that it turns ever user into a super human, violent maniac.  This is seen as the worst of the worst drugs.  While I don't have that much experience with it I am sure it is not nearly that bad.

Cocaine never seemed like that big a deal.  It can make people act like a dick, but no worse than alcohol.

Heroin is seen as the baddest of the bad, when in reality it is very pleasant and peaceful, albeit addicting.  In a perfect world people would be able to get access to clean product and an affordable price.  They could use till they got bored, even if it took years, and then work their way off as slowly as they felt like.  With no pressure to quite, usage could just trend up and down and up and down until, through boredom with being high all the time people eventually worked their way off.

In fact pretty much every drug has been given an unwarranted bad name with perhaps a few exceptions.

MDMA can affect the serotonin system significantly.  I'm barely optimistic on a good day.  The week after using any serotonin releaser I have to fight wanting to kill myself.  My opinion is that in a perfect situation it might best be replaced perhaps with engineered trypamines that produce the feeling of excess serotonin by receptor stimulation instead of just serotonin release.  Or perhaps a chemical like 2c-b or 2c-c could fill some of the need for a drug like MDMA.

Crack is also pretty fucked up.  You get 15 minutes of some of the most intense dopamine euphoria imaginable, 15 more of coke like stimulation, and then a half an hour of terribly uncomfortable antsyness that is only relieve by another hit (or heroin).  Horribly fiendish and appealing to the most primal of human reward systems.


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
    #21703251 - 05/20/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heroin: [...] opiates do no damage. [...]




You wouldn't file severe down regulation of opiate receptors under damage?


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21703288 - 05/20/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Only if you stop using the opiates..... :tee:


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
    #21703354 - 05/20/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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daz01 said:
That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.



You're telling me nobody is addicted to heroin because of heroin?


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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #21703363 - 05/20/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Shroomopotamus said:
Quote:

daz01 said:
That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.



You're telling me nobody is addicted to heroin because of heroin?



There are some people that started with heroin but most of us started with codeine and hydrocodone then went to oxy and then H.


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