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zappaisgod
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
#21702898 - 05/20/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's HPPD?
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spixce
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: zappaisgod]
#21702907 - 05/20/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
#21702922 - 05/20/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You never become "unaddicted" man. Once you are, you'll have a love/hate relationship with it for the rest of your life.
I was clean for a very long time. About a quarter of my life and in the past year dabbled a few times with dope again. It felt wonderful just like it did when I first started. The only reason I haven't gotten back into it on a regular basis is because I have a better understanding of what I'll become if that happens. That and not associating with people that do still indulge in it.
I can't stand that AA/NA bullshit but they are correct about you being in recovery for the rest of your life after getting clean.
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Quote:
Shroomopotamus said: Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates. Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.
I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.
I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.
Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
#21702953 - 05/20/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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daz01 said:
Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.
Exactly my case as well as every other person I used to hang out with that did/does opiates.
I'm sure there's a few people out there that jumped right into heroin because that's all that was around on the streets, but they are by far the minority.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0]
#21702957 - 05/20/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: You never become "unaddicted" man. Once you are, you'll have a love/hate relationship with it for the rest of your life.
I was clean for a very long time. About a quarter of my life and in the past year dabbled a few times with dope again. It felt wonderful just like it did when I first started. The only reason I haven't gotten back into it on a regular basis is because I have a better understanding of what I'll become if that happens. That and not associating with people that do still indulge in it.
I can't stand that AA/NA bullshit but they are correct about you being in recovery for the rest of your life after getting clean.
So true man. Once you have gone too far, there is no going back, you can only sink lower. The fact that you are clean helps to rationalize using in your mind.
This time i can handle it 
Thats what i always think, but nothing ever changes.
I realized that by doing dope, all i was doing is waiting to die. I didn't care about anything or anyone, not even myself.
Heroin steals your soul, and makes you not even care.
If i was the devil, and i needed to create an army, heroin is how i would do it.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: kr0nik0] 1
#21702961 - 05/20/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GHB
if you mention it to alot of people, even seasoned drug users, they look at you like you're a rapist or something
meanwhile alcohol is the real date rape drug
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
#21702968 - 05/20/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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daz01 said:
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Shroomopotamus said: Heroin is entirely too often impure and I'm fairly certain isn't orally active like pharmaceutical opiates. Get a batch cut with a little too much fentanyl or some new RC and you're fucked.
I'm personally against all opiates these days so this may sound a little biased, but heroin in my opinion is FAR from unfairly demonized.
I've seen it ruin far more lives than any other drug including alcohol.
Not really. Alot of people who do heroin likely started on other opiates, mainly pharmaceuticals.
What's your point?
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That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
#21702998 - 05/20/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gresh said: GHB
if you mention it to alot of people, even seasoned drug users, they look at you like you're a rapist or something
meanwhile alcohol is the real date rape drug

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daz01 said: That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
#21703031 - 05/20/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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We are born addicted.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: zappaisgod]
#21703045 - 05/20/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
#21703169 - 05/20/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Classic psychedelics, LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline face the most undeserved negativity. The drugs are damn near spiritual sacraments, can be very worthwhile, are almost never abused, and pose very little harm. Yet they are seen as pure evil by may people. Using LSD is like this unimaginable sin to many of the ignorant masses. Easily seen as as bad if not worse than any of the hard drugs.
Marijuana has also obviously been unfairly given a bad name, but the perception of it is rapidly changing. And it is not as perfect as some people claim, so I feel that these days it may be among the more fairly treated drugs.
GHB gets a horrendous reputation. To posses it is to obviously be a rapist. Yet it is actually mostly harmless.
Surprisingly I'm going to mention PCP. The liars will have you believing that it turns ever user into a super human, violent maniac. This is seen as the worst of the worst drugs. While I don't have that much experience with it I am sure it is not nearly that bad.
Cocaine never seemed like that big a deal. It can make people act like a dick, but no worse than alcohol.
Heroin is seen as the baddest of the bad, when in reality it is very pleasant and peaceful, albeit addicting. In a perfect world people would be able to get access to clean product and an affordable price. They could use till they got bored, even if it took years, and then work their way off as slowly as they felt like. With no pressure to quite, usage could just trend up and down and up and down until, through boredom with being high all the time people eventually worked their way off.
In fact pretty much every drug has been given an unwarranted bad name with perhaps a few exceptions.
MDMA can affect the serotonin system significantly. I'm barely optimistic on a good day. The week after using any serotonin releaser I have to fight wanting to kill myself. My opinion is that in a perfect situation it might best be replaced perhaps with engineered trypamines that produce the feeling of excess serotonin by receptor stimulation instead of just serotonin release. Or perhaps a chemical like 2c-b or 2c-c could fill some of the need for a drug like MDMA.
Crack is also pretty fucked up. You get 15 minutes of some of the most intense dopamine euphoria imaginable, 15 more of coke like stimulation, and then a half an hour of terribly uncomfortable antsyness that is only relieve by another hit (or heroin). Horribly fiendish and appealing to the most primal of human reward systems.
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: spixce]
#21703251 - 05/20/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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spixce said: Heroin: [...] opiates do no damage. [...]
You wouldn't file severe down regulation of opiate receptors under damage?
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: GoldenEye]
#21703288 - 05/20/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only if you stop using the opiates.....
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Re: Drugs that are unfairly demonized [Re: daz01]
#21703354 - 05/20/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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daz01 said: That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.
You're telling me nobody is addicted to heroin because of heroin?
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Shroomopotamus said:
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daz01 said: That heroin should not be demonised because it is not the cause of addiction.
You're telling me nobody is addicted to heroin because of heroin?
There are some people that started with heroin but most of us started with codeine and hydrocodone then went to oxy and then H.
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