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Mr. Alien
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: funwithdxm]
#21695747 - 05/18/15 07:50 PM (9 years, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks i will syringe it once in a while. I don't know why pans can't have thicker casing layers like cubes i would like the next time to apply a 1/2" casing layer instead of 1/8-1/4.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21696252 - 05/18/15 09:37 PM (9 years, 1 day ago) |
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trying it is the only way to see if it works for you. They are very sensitive. I have seen people mist without checking for growth first. They sprayed small pins, so then they blotted them dry with a towel and he wasn't very gentle. Most aborted, but more ended up coming in. These people never patch their casing layer, they case and fruit right after applying. they just let things happen however fate decides. Most of yours are still looking good to me, but only the mushroom really knows.
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Edited by funwithdxm (05/18/15 09:44 PM)
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: funwithdxm]
#21702230 - 05/20/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 7 hours ago) |
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This has been my experience with pans...And all ive ever done was multispore. After letting the substrate colonise, then consolidate for about 5 days, I case with a very fluffy thin and not even layer. Kinda with divits and small areas that are barley covered and some have valleys and hills. . I put directly into fruiting if temps are over 72° because it can easily take over the casing in no time... If temps are lower, I cover and incubate for 24 to 48 hrs. Then remove foil and mist well.
Now I use a different chamber type shotgun but with only a few holes so it retains humidity rather than needing to mist constantly and have your casing dry causing issues and shocking them. They will give you a hard time fruiting if the environment isnt constant... Now after that first initial mist ill leave it untill I see the mycellium poking through almost 50% or a bit more and give the casing a good mist to saturate things . This way you wont have to fiddle with trying to guess and have things get dry on you. Plus this is when they will usually start showing pins , if they dont I wait two days and repeat.. this is the only misting I do at all because my chamber and perlite retains enough moisture to keeps things constant.
All the while, I fan by hand 5x plus daily or like I recently started is using an aquarium pump 127gph ran into two holes in the back of the chamber pushing air in and out the six small holes in the front of the bin. The filter on the bottom is replaced with a cut to size myco grain jar filter so not to blow contam. Air inside the chamber. It runs on a timer to go for a half hour ... Every four hours. Now I dont need to even open the lid of the chamber at all unless I mist and this , after being tweeked has worked great.
Cubes are a cake walk and people seem to think you need a up to spec shotgun chamber elevated , holes every two inches and six inches of perlite.... If I can manage Panaelous in this type of chamber , growing in a closet by the way, then the whole shotgun chamber tek goes out the window if you know what your doing, learn not to over saturate and keep humidity in your chamber instead of misting multiple times per day.
Pans have a real hard time as eatyoualive stated if you get mist happy and anyone who has exp with them knows the least amount of stress, the more basic substrate at a thin depth of 1 to 2" max will treat you well.
You will get it , just keep practicing. Im not a pro at this species but ive had enough experience and tutoring throughout my years to know that they hate moisture and hate being fussed with too much. Another thing, if you use a complex casing , and imo the casing is the most important part along with its maintenance... They wont fruit. Too much lime ect. Ir if the ph being not to their liking will cause you problems. Go with plain old organic jiffy mix 50/50 with Coarse Vermiculite , its never failed on my end and ive had my share of different mixes and additives that didnt pan out. Also coarse Vermiculite with a bit of coir works wonders.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: mycomaniac1402]
#21702244 - 05/20/15 12:31 PM (9 years, 7 hours ago) |
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The chamber I use for pans is in my signature along with a few pictures from a couple MS projects so you can get an idea how I set things up.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21702271 - 05/20/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Looking good!
For future reference I recommend using "Jiffy mix" as a casing layer. The PH has always been a steady 6-7 for me. Idk if its readily available in your area.. But yeah. Then again I'm sure consistency varies from state to state.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
#21702314 - 05/20/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Totally agree :-) I mentioned that same thing someplace in that long novel I just wrote lol... Must be the medication. Weeee
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21702316 - 05/20/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Nice meter, how much did that set you back an whats the name of said contraption?
Stool
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: mycomaniac1402]
#21702335 - 05/20/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Quote:
mycomaniac1402 said: Totally agree :-) I mentioned that same thing someplace in that long novel I just wrote lol... Must be the medication. Weeee
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: stool]
#21702531 - 05/20/15 02:14 PM (9 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Quote:
stool said:

Nice meter, how much did that set you back an whats the name of said contraption?
Stool
Is the RR recommendation analog hair hygrometer. It's great. Fischer brand.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fischer-56617-Natural-Hair-Hygrometer/dp/B0016M573Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1432152817&sr=8-2&keywords=fischer+hygrometer
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21702583 - 05/20/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Guys i have bad news i think. My pans are mini mushrooms or something, some of them just have open their caps. Why they are so mini? Some feedback please.
Genetics? Moisture content? I don't think is moisture content i'm pretty sure i hydrate the substrate to field capacity. I expected some pans with good height, not this.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21703439 - 05/20/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 1 hour ago) |
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at least you got that far. That's real good for your first time with pans!! i hope someone can give you a reason why this happened. This happened with the pans i misted one misting to late. Pick them - print them, check for any new pins. If you don't see any i give it a good misting and let the second flush happen. The second flush came up okay for me, even after the mini first flush. so don't consider this a loss just yet.. You got this far!!
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: funwithdxm]
#21703996 - 05/20/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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beats me, hard to tell from a pic but i would say a moisture issue of some sort
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: cronicr]
#21704186 - 05/20/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: beats me, hard to tell from a pic but i would say a moisture issue of some sort
This. I can't enlarge the pic (my issue, nothing wrong with your pic) but I'd guess they're too wet or too dry. This is a general mushroom issue, it's not related to Pans.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21704636 - 05/20/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't need to enlarge it, mushrooms are less than .5 centimeter long in any direction . I guess not enough moisture content, not enough water for mushrooms to grow? i don't know... I will try again, tomorrow i will start making more spawn. I really wanted to see some real pans height like in the pictures.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21704650 - 05/20/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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well shit, if you're just gonna give up, dunk that thing for a couple of hours and re-case; let's see what happens...what have ya got to lose?!?
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
#21704732 - 05/20/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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MonkeyJesusFresco said: well shit, if you're just gonna give up, dunk that thing for a couple of hours and re-case; let's see what happens...what have ya got to lose?!?
good idea, i wasn't planning to give up, just start again but you are right i can do that too while i get more shit done.
thanks.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21704930 - 05/21/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm sorry to see that bud. It could be bad genetics... In my experience if they get water logged, they open prematurely and get short or thin and tiny. Im not saying thats whats going on but if misted directly , that could happen. Could be something totally different though.
But as they stated, try for a second... Sometimes you will get normal fruits the second flush.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: mycomaniac1402]
#21704949 - 05/21/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont think its too dry though.. the caps look water logged. Im not saying its that but any extra misting after pinning can really screw them up . They take in moisture but dont have the tissue expansion like cubes to get rid of the excess. So if you squeeze one after picking, and its full of water and seems logged, that could be your problem. Im just guessing , but if it is this, then you should be able to pull a normal flush .
I wouldn't even dunk... Just let it pin again , it should in a day or two. IME they pin almost constantly with no gaps unless you get a full on pin set were every inch of the substrate is covered and pinning. I dont dunk pans... Just mist once between flushes.
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: mycomaniac1402]
#21705200 - 05/21/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah i was thinking the same thing myco, 
It looks wayyy too wet!!! The caps look waterlogged & soggy. Im currently on my way to my first Panaeolus grow, but I know for certain tht Pans hate being wet. Period. Looks like you over misted the substrate, while waiting for primordia.
TBH, I would let it dry out before rehydrating again.
Who knows you might get some weight, while you wait.
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Edited by Fantastic Mr. Fox (05/21/15 04:24 AM)
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Re: Pans tray. Myc poking out the casing layer 24 hrs later. [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
#21706070 - 05/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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