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Understanding time and LSD
    #21701881 - 05/20/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

A question just popped to mind...why is it so darn hard to understand time when tripping? I always look at the clock, I know what numbers should be what, yet the  mind just can't comprehend it. It really interests me as some people are straight out amazing at maths under the influence yet can't understand something as simple as time...

I know this must have been asked before but can not find a thread or article any where


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21701911 - 05/20/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time is ruled by perception.
There is no concrete rule that time must follow.
We kind of made up the shit like 60 seconds and a minute and so on. So maybe the dissolved ego sees past times illusion, and realizes its meaningless yet it rules over our lives. But idk i woulda posted this in philosophy rather tha TPE, fits into both tho.

Btw: i just stared at your sig for 10 minutes, felt like a second tho.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: Vibez] * 1
    #21702049 - 05/20/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's my opinion that psychedelics slow down your biological clock causing you to perceive time differently. Do you ever notice that when the trip is coming on, the lights seem to flicker, almost like a flickering fluorescent light? Or you hear a buzzing or humming. I think that this also has to do with your clock slowing down. It is like your clock slows down so much that you can perceive the fundamental frequency that our senses react to. So, in effect, you are actually slowing down time for your body.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21703816 - 05/20/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you ever have that weird one thats like, you literally are watching yourself but from the left of your head but looking in the same direction and you literally watch 4 hours of an lsd trip go by like it was a couple seconds, like something picked you up out of time and quickly put you down four hours later. it gets weirder. i had extreme time dialation, like slow down and stop in the lsd trip during those four hours, even though i watched it go by like that.

  scary part is that 4 hours actually happened, while i watched it flit by.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: whitelights]
    #21703824 - 05/20/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

One of the biggest rules of tripping in my book is don't look at the clock.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: daytripper05]
    #21703946 - 05/20/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What happens when u look at the clock?

Does reality explode?

:mindblown:

I like time dialation.

I remember an experiment on TV where they dropped people from different heights holding a special flickering device. It was an experiment about how adrenaline affects our perception of time.

So at a small height, they could not precieve the letters being displayed on the screen (super fast).

Then they did it at a high height, and when people dropped, they could read the letters on this handheld electronic device. So they demostrate how adrenaline increases our awareness/perception of time.

And i believe this happens on psychedelics. Scratch that, i know thats whats going on.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21704018 - 05/20/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Looking at the clock for me takes me away from the trip. I just always go so much deeper when I don't have a concept of time. Ironically, I still do have a concept of the time past. Either the sun or stars I can pretty much tell relatively what time it is.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: daytripper05]
    #21705385 - 05/21/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Haha, I know, but I always end up thinking "How long has it been now?"...then I'm there for a good 20 minutes(as it seems) trying to count the hands lol. I always thought it was because time don't actually exist as it is  entirely an idea created by man, but I guess I'm wrong. Obviously time is fundamental to the universe, but the whole hour, minute, second.....


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: Vibez]
    #21705475 - 05/21/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Vibez said:
A question just popped to mind...why is it so darn hard to understand time when tripping? I always look at the clock, I know what numbers should be what, yet the  mind just can't comprehend it. It really interests me as some people are straight out amazing at maths under the influence yet can't understand something as simple as time...

I know this must have been asked before but can not find a thread or article any where





Because time is fake and just a contruct of the mind..and since LSD breaks down the constructs of the mind, time becomes a confusing concept.


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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21705504 - 05/21/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone on psychedelics have shown me (anecdotally) that time is very real. It's as real as gravity and the physical dimension. Time is like a 3 dimensional object, except it can't be held or seen, like gravity. Our mind perceive time in 1 or 2 dimensions, linearly in a line. I think this is where we get confused. Time is very much real and very much a mathematical thing. Our brains just can't understand it at this current moment in time.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: daytripper05]
    #21705676 - 05/21/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time is real...but not in the sense we perceive it.


Let me quote Plato...


"Time is the moving image of eternity"


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: daytripper05]
    #21705723 - 05/21/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Everyone on psychedelics have shown me (anecdotally) that time is very real. It's as real as gravity and the physical dimension. Time is like a 3 dimensional object, except it can't be held or seen, like gravity. Our mind perceive time in 1 or 2 dimensions, linearly in a line. I think this is where we get confused. Time is very much real and very much a mathematical thing. Our brains just can't understand it at this current moment in time.




But it's not linear or a line. When we draw mathematical diagrams or calibrate a clock, we portray it as linear. And, our physical laws treat it as linear. But, we perceive it as nonlinear. For example, when we sleep, time appears to go by much faster than when we are awake. Or, when we trip, time goes by much slower (or faster) than we perceive it when sober. Another example: Remember how long 5 minutes lasted when you were a small child? Compare that to how long 5 minutes goes by as an adult. IMO, time is nonlinear from our perspective. Physicists also talk about the curvature of space-time, implying that time is curved, i.e. nonlinear.

For Newtonian mechanics, linear time works pretty well, but on the very large and very small scales, it behaves nonlinearly. I think time is one of the most fascinating aspects of physics that we don't have a solid grasp on.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21706731 - 05/21/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hes saying time exists, it is a thing and it does "tick" by. The units we use to keep track of it are what's screwing every body up


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: whitelights]
    #21706841 - 05/21/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I remember listening to what happens to the brain while tripping. And it dampens some areas of the brain that are the most recently evolved parts such as speaking and maybe time/language comprehension. While it enhances flow through all other parts of the brain.

So basically that part of your brain for understanding time is temporarily retarded haha. But everything else is enhanced and super quick so you keep questioning this thing called time that you feel like you should be checking. But when you check it, it's just confusing lol. But with faster brain activity, it seems like time is slowing down because you're having more thoughts and activity in that time so it does "feel" like time is slowing down or stopped. Kinda like if you're working really hard on something like studying and time just slows down vs when you just sitting there watching dumb tv and time flies. Your brain activity lessens when there's less stimulation. Hell, when you start walking around vs sitting, you have enhanced brain activity and flow, making you a better thinker


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21707565 - 05/21/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think we are saying the same thing. I wasn't saying it was linear, but rather "we" as collective species as a whole perceive time as linear. We are taught in schools about "time lines" etc. That's all I was getting at, not that time was actually linear.


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: daytripper05]
    #21707790 - 05/21/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time is often the first illusion to fall away


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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: 3waesz]
    #21707815 - 05/21/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time is the inflation of the universe. Once the universe starts to crunch together again, everything that happened will happen yet again. But in reverse...

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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21707827 - 05/21/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: 3waesz]
    #21707879 - 05/21/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Understanding time and LSD [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21708331 - 05/21/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I like how this has sort of turned into a philosophical seminar. 4HO-DMT's post kind of describes my psychedelic experiences. I have noticed this pattern with most come ups. On the other hand, I always see things like fluorescent lights, TVs, etc., flickering. The humming is something that I only experience while tripping. Maybe we pick up on things like j60-cycle interference? I have also noticed when I drink alcohol, I pick up scents that I can't normally perceive.

I can't speak for all people, but when I am tripping on shrooms, my senses all blend together; I taste with my hands, for example. Everything just "blends together", and time goes with it. I had a very vivid 3g trip in which I remember looking at my watch numerous times and the hands indicated that time was going back and forth. It made me very paranoid for a while. The whole experience just blended together. Time didn't start to make sense until I was coming down from it, and I remember it was very difficult to adjust. I had another experience where I literally watched some fresh shrooms dry like a stop motion film. When I was done, I checked the clock and only 10 minutes had passed. There was also another experience I had in which I was sitting in my apartment and felt like the interior walls were some kind of facade or a cage.

Those experiences helped me to realize that everything we experience is happening inside of us. There is space, time, a universe, and all that other shit, but our mind makes illusions of it so that we can keep our sanity. When we do psychedelics, it bends our perception and we can recognize those illusions, and to some degree better understand reality. We lose a little bit of sanity in search of truth.


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