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Santa Barbara oil spill
#21701835 - 05/20/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Plains Pipeline deeply regrets this release has occurred..."
Well then, everything is OK. For a moment I thought they might just ordinary regret it, but deep regret makes the oil covered wildlife breathe better. Put on your suits and go for a swim. No SPF required.
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Can I use some in my car? Tired of paying $20 every 3 months
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Khancious]
#21701859 - 05/20/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Give it a try!
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Wait a second... are you setting me up? The salt will scrape my piston walls!
The water will help keep it kool tho
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Khancious]
#21701897 - 05/20/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Win-win.
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I'm really sorry you feel that way.
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Sun King]
#21702918 - 05/20/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its a shame; the beaches in this area are special. I'm right near there. Hopefully they don't get it too bad.
Nice flaccid apologeia from the politicians of course. That's all they said? What's the source of the quote btw?
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Kurt]
#21705014 - 05/21/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have family that will be in SB this weekend.
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Kurt said: What's the source of the quote btw?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/20/california-oil-spill-gaviota-coast-cleanup
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Thaj] 1
#21712157 - 05/22/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This isn't Kuwait folks, just a little media sensationalism.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_oil_and_gas_in_California
I don't know about Kuwait, but the coastline from Santa Barbara through Ventura is covered with oil rigs. You can usually see at least 5 or so at a time on the horizon, going up and down.
Maybe you have seen the pictures of what happened in the news? Is it sensationalism to show what happened? When this happens in your backyard and home, or the land you work live and retire to, its concerning. If anything the dialogue (at least as the op refers to) is deflationary.
If all they are able to say, is "we are sorry this incident happened at all", and in other words this raises no broader critique of economy or practice, in the industry, then the media will pretty naturally go beyond these statements to topical criticism, and further investigation.
I am not saying anything in the media, or otherwise, is rationally "justified". I understand that many of your generation's peers are involved with environmental movements, almost religiously in some cases. Nonetheless...
There is a comparison being made to the spill here in 1969. It is 9 (corrected) miles wide on the water, compared to 35 in that incident. Maybe that is somrwhat hyperbolic. But then, they should be sorry it happened at all, and what else? This is not philosophy, as much as politics. The realistic ramifications of the incident should not be confused with the dialogue, but the incident does raise questions of what the consequential statements mean, and how they will need to be interpreted.
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Kurt]
#21716355 - 05/24/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kurt said:
Maybe you have seen the pictures of what happened in the news? Is it sensationalism to show what happened? When this happens in your backyard and home, or the land you work live and retire to, its concerning. If anything the dialogue (at least as the op refers to) is deflationary.
Yep, let's just not loose sight of the fact that this is what folks are concerned with: keeping their nest comfy and cozy. The sea creatures are just throw pillows.
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: johnm214]
#21716711 - 05/24/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This company, Plains "All American" Pipeline, has a HORRIBLE record of environmental violations, among the worst of the worst. Lock a few of them up in prison! "They" will truly be sorry then, not just pretending to be.
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: Kurt] 1
#21716946 - 05/24/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, the estimated 105,000 gallons of oil, 21,000 gallons along the beach. That is a TINY oil spill. It's important you're concerned about your community, but this isn't a national news story. I stand by my sensationalism comment. 5,526 barrells of oil being spilled is nothing compared to what's happened in actual oil spills.
If it's hit your community hard, I would be pissed too. I think the santa barbra part of the news title is why it's national news, not the tiny little oil spill.
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: johnm214]
#21717014 - 05/24/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am not sure what you are saying John. I have lived and worked here on the land for a few years, and love it. That of course doesn't exclude the land's biodiversity or ecosystems, or namely what it is.
I am curous what assumptions you may be working from to draw this line. Santa Barbara is foggy mornings sunny skies, blue waters, clean coastlines of course, along with its sea lions, dolphins, and the egrets hunting in high grass, and it is the people who love it.
I think its best to allow nature to have a personally ascribed meaning, rather than necessarily being arsenal for some dialogue. Leaning too much on representing ideas and what a dialogue should be removes environmentalists and naturalists today from what they are talking about in many cases.
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Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said: This isn't Kuwait folks, just a little media sensationalism.
fuck yourself. you live on the california coast? probably not. drill baby drill right? fuck that. there plenty of untapped oil and gas ON LAND where spills can at least be somewhat contained.
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Dude, the estimated 105,000 gallons of oil, 21,000 gallons along the beach.
yeah, these initial estimates are usually accurate and never understate the damage...refugio state beach closed till past labor day...what about the businesses in the area that rely on summer beachgoers to make their livings? This whole thing sucks so many bowls of dicks. The Southern California coastline is one of the last decent fisheries left in the damn world. Anyone who says that this will have no effect on fishing is a fool. the kelp forests are the flagship ecosystem around here, and kelp can't anchor to fucking oil. No Kelp Forest=no habitat for numerous species like Calico bass, kelp wrasse, etc. the marine ecosystem is already strained by unusually warm water around here, and now this... and the oil assholes are just gonna shrug and say sorry? fuck that. I just can't even express how pissed i am about this. throw the book at these dick-whacks. "oh, i'm so sorry i fucked up your state for decades to come"
 
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Re: Santa Barbara oil spill [Re: ballsalsa]
#21717029 - 05/24/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take some deep breathes and count to 10 before you post again.
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dude, they already closed sardine season early because the numbers were too low. We already have more starving sea lion pups than normal because the warm water is inhibiting plankton growth which in turn inhibits anchovies and sardines etc., which in turn leaves the marine mammals with nothing to eat. benthic species that aren't as mobile as fish are have no chance in an oil spill. once that shit coats the bottom, all the worms, crabs, urchins, seastars, amphipods that live in the substrate, and of course the marine algae, are toast
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I saw it in the local paper in San luis Obispo, and I am moving to Santa Barbara this week so maybe I bit down a little too hard for personal reasons, my apologies.
I am not sure what "should" be to a national news and was not wholly aware, but I'd stand by saying its not "just" media sensationalism.
To those concerned, is a small oil spill nothing when a big one is inexcusable and indefensible? These oil guys use the same response in any case, "we are sorry it happened at all". That is what I meant by deflationary, to anyone concerned. Peace.
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